Vegans

[Money4NothingDrinks4Free]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

And so the name calling begins.

 

I saw a donation page for Gorgie Farm recently, it is in deep deep water.  A small example but a pertinent one.  If you think autism and dementia therapy would be enough to see chicken farms/sanctuary’s all over the place you are deluded. Without using them for eggs and meat they would be a novelty here and there and that is it. 

 

Using them to create chicken manure would be laughed out the dragons den.  Seriously wee Theo and Deborah would be rolling about the floor if someone asked for investment to farm chickens for manure.  Chicken and Hens are a high commodity in this country for two reasons – meat and eggs.

 

Will you have Unicorns in this sanctuary?

 

If you're a fan of Dragons Den then you'll remember Shaun Pulfrey and his Tangle Teezer was rejected in the den as he was told it was 'not a business'. The Tangle Teezer is now turning over more than £23 million a year. If you think Dragons Den suitability is the key to success you’re a chump.

 

The sanctuaries will be run by likeminded vegans as a not for profit organisation.

 

Have you ever heard of Austin Pets Alive? Since they were founded in 2008, Austin Pets Alive have rescued 25,000 dogs and cats. But hey, since they are a not for profit and wouldn’t line the pockets of pompous investors what is the point!?  

 

Will there be unicorns? No of course not, but neither will there be short sighted people like yourself.

 

 

 

[Spitonastranger]

21 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

And many are not. I make sure I use them. 

 

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Spitonastranger said:

 

 

 

Big set on her tbf.

[Taffin]

3 hours ago, Money4NothingDrinks4Free said:

 

Absolutely zero value!? (admin delete)

 

Chicken manure is one of the most desirable manures due to its high nutrient level.

 

In just America food scraps make up about 17% (29 million tons) of what is sent to landfills, chickens can eat pretty much most kitchen scraps – fruit and vegetable peelings, bread, cooked beans, cooked rice, oatmeal, pasta etc

 

Keeping chickens is seen as therapeutic for children on the autism spectrum by getting the kids involved in feeding and caring for the chickens.They have also been used for patients with dementia and other psychiatric disorders. Because chickens are always moving around, pecking and socializing, they’re seen as calming.

 

This is just a handful of many reasons. 

 

Educate yourself before making such ridiculous statements, (admin delete)

 

 

This is a good post, albeit a little laden on hyberbole and name calling.

 

Until society can shift its one dimensional thinking of  Animal = food then we can't really begin to seek out the other benefits they can bring to us and our environment.

 

The most staggering this is how hypocritical it all is when you consider a number of the carnists will likely have pets that they would be horrified if someone was to butcher and consume. Weird and conflicting view.

 

 

[Spitonastranger]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Big set on her tbf.

Is that you to be fair

[i8hibsh]

8 minutes ago, Money4NothingDrinks4Free said:

 

If you're a fan of Dragons Den then you'll remember Shaun Pulfrey and his Tangle Teezer was rejected in the den as he was told it was 'not a business'. The Tangle Teezer is now turning over more than £23 million a year. If you think Dragons Den suitability is the key to success you’re a chump.

 

The sanctuaries will be run by likeminded vegans as a not for profit organisation.

 

Have you ever heard of Austin Pets Alive? Since they were founded in 2008, Austin Pets Alive have rescued 25,000 dogs and cats. But hey, since they are a not for profit and wouldn’t line the pockets of pompous investors what is the point!?  

 

Will there be unicorns? No of course not, but neither will there be short sighted people like yourself.

 

 

 

 

I wish you all the best in your endeavors.  Can’t see it taking off or indeed Making much money but go try.  It will just be like one of these specialist vegan cafés that pop up for moral and ethical reasons instead of business ones.  The harsh reality of life is money rules the world, not someone’s ethical outlook.  What you say is of course lovely and I don’t mean to patronize, who would not want to help autistic people etc but hardly enough to sustain an entire species.  I’d say 95% of the planet see Chicken and Hen’s as Meat and Eggs and the other see them as Chicken and Hen’s. 

Edited August 1, 2018 by i8hibsh

[Money4NothingDrinks4Free]

 

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I wish you all the best in your endeavors.  Can’t see it taking off or indeed Making much money but go try.  It will just be one of these specialist vegan cafés that pop up for moral and ethical reasons instead of business ones.  The harsh reality of life is money rules the world, not someone’s ethical outlook.  What you see is of course lovely and I don’t mean to patronize, who would not want to help autistic people etc but hardly enough to sustain an entire species.  I’d say 95% of the planet see Chicken and Hen’s as Meat and Eggs and the other see them as Chicken and Hen’s. 

 

When this opens I will invite you down to cut the ribbon at the opening ceremony.

 

The only egg at my sanctuary will be on your face! ha! 

[Taffin]

39 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I wish you all the best in your endeavors.  Can’t see it taking off or indeed Making much money but go try.  It will just be like one of these specialist vegan cafés that pop up for moral and ethical reasons instead of business ones.  The harsh reality of life is money rules the world, not someone’s ethical outlook.  What you say is of course lovely and I don’t mean to patronize, who would not want to help autistic people etc but hardly enough to sustain an entire species.  I’d say 95% of the planet see Chicken and Hen’s as Meat and Eggs and the other see them as Chicken and Hen’s. 

 

 

Businesses set up with the soul purpose of making money almost never succeed. The months and months of no profit during start up kill those people off, a passion project run by someone with a decent commercial understanding will have a better outlook as they will be willing to put the hours in and self sacrifice even when times are tough.

 

Would I keep going to my office if I wasn't getting paid? No, as I only go there for money. Money can't be your sole motivator or as soon as it is thin on the ground your motivation is gone.

 

Off topic a bit though sorry...

 

...Would I set up a chicken sanctuary? No, I'm out.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Taffin

[Bindy Badgy]

On 7/31/2018 at 13:27, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

 

It's mental when you actually think about it. Pigs. How many times have I eaten bacon, sausage, pork, ham? How many times have I seen someone eat those things or seen them on menus or in supermarkets? And yet, I can probably count on one hand how many pigs I've seen in my entire life. Where the hell are they all?

 

The majority of the pigs that are still alive are probably crammed into gestation crates in warehouses.

 

4 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

Do vegans want nature tontakenits course, allow endangered animals to die out (obviously as a course of nature rather than human hunting) or would they support every species conservation (which would naturally restrict their complete freedom and result in human interference)?

 

I'm not vegan or vegetarian but I am doing a masters in ecology and am looking for a PHD looking at habitat modelling. If things go to plan I will have a role in deciding where conservation money goes. I am all for letting species decide their own fate. If they're out-competed by other wild animals then so be it. Extinction is the eventual fate of all species including our own.

[maroonexile]

23 hours ago, JimKongUno said:

Each to there own , its a personal choice but these vegan arse holes that try and guilt trip other people can **** off

 

Humans have been top of the food chain for 200'000+ years , being able to cook up a well seasoned steak in under 3 minutes is what seperates us from the animals .

Excellent post.

 

This is the Natural Order....

Edited August 1, 2018 by maroonexile

[@VladMagic]

I've got one eye on my mates daughters Guinea Pigs. A delicacy in parts of South America. 

[Maple Leaf]

6 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Here is a paradox. Chickens and hens would be extinct within 100 years. If we were all vegans why have them? Where would they go? Who would look after them?

 

Perhaps, but not necessarily.

 

There are wild turkeys in abundance in North America.

[Governor Tarkin]

4 hours ago, Money4NothingDrinks4Free said:

 

The only egg at my sanctuary will be on your face! ha! 

 

 

That's a good one, tbf.

[jambo_]

interesting documentary that some may like ...."What the health"

 

 

[i8hibsh]

16 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Perhaps, but not necessarily.

 

There are wild turkeys in abundance in North America.

 

I assume they get hunted? Yanks hunt everything

 

 

 

 

[i8hibsh]

13 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

That's a good one, tbf.

 

Yeah, I will give him that.

[Dawnrazor]

34 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I assume they get hunted? Yanks hunt everything

 

 

 

 

They do, but they hunt on a tag system so you only get a few tags each for each state. 

[i8hibsh]

36 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

They do, but they hunt on a tag system so you only get a few tags each for each state. 

 

That is the thing. Even if no-one on the planet ate meat you would still get the scum who kill for sport.

[Dawnrazor]

4 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

That is the thing. Even if no-one on the planet ate meat you would still get the scum who kill for sport.

"scum"? We'll agree to disagree on that. 

[i8hibsh]

14 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

"scum"? We'll agree to disagree on that. 

 

Seeing a majestic lion roaming free and then taking a rifle out aiming it at him , firing straight through the lions heart then taking a picture of it for his mates bragging about how big he is. Yes, scum.

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Seeing a majestic lion roaming free and then taking a rifle out aiming it at him , firing straight through the lions heart then taking a picture of it for his mates bragging about how big he is. Yes, scum.

What about me then, when I shoot a deer then butcher it and put it in my freezer along with pheasants and partridges that I shot and the trout and salmon that I caught that mekes me "scum"? Or the "yank" that shoots a turkey and has it at thanks giving also makes him "scum"?

[hughesie27]

15 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

What about me then, when I shoot a deer then butcher it and put it in my freezer along with pheasants and partridges that I shot and the trout and salmon that I caught that mekes me "scum"? Or the "yank" that shoots a turkey and has it at thanks giving also makes him "scum"?

That's not shooting for sport. Even if you enjoy it.

[i8hibsh]

24 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

What about me then, when I shoot a deer then butcher it and put it in my freezer along with pheasants and partridges that I shot and the trout and salmon that I caught that mekes me "scum"? Or the "yank" that shoots a turkey and has it at thanks giving also makes him "scum"?

 

Eh? I said "for sport" dude i.e trophies.

[jb102]

37 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

What about me then, when I shoot a deer then butcher it and put it in my freezer along with pheasants and partridges that I shot and the trout and salmon that I caught that mekes me "scum"? Or the "yank" that shoots a turkey and has it at thanks giving also makes him "scum"?

Ive kept this monsters lineage active on my place for over 20 years.This guy was taken aged about 6 after he lost condition, specifically dental condition and could not feed.

Didn't know what hit him.

Keep up the good work.

[Governor Tarkin]

50 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

What about me then, when I shoot a deer then butcher it and put it in my freezer along with pheasants and partridges that I shot and the trout and salmon that I caught that mekes me "scum"? Or the "yank" that shoots a turkey and has it at thanks giving also makes him "scum"?

 

Worse than Hitler imo.

 

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Seeing a majestic lion roaming free and then taking a rifle out aiming it at him , firing straight through the lions heart then taking a picture of it for his mates bragging about how big he is. Yes, scum.

 

 

This.

 

 

Money4Nothing will probably hunt humans on his chicken sanctuary.

[jambo_]

My cousin is a fat ******* and looks like his next feed would kill him.

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, hughesie27 said:

That's not shooting for sport. Even if you enjoy it.

Of course it is!!! Meat is a by product of sport, that's why thousands come to Scotland every to shoot, stalk and fish bringing in millions to rural areas and tax revenues. 

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, jb102 said:

Ive kept this monsters lineage active on my place for over 20 years.This guy was taken aged about 6 after he lost condition, specifically dental condition and could not feed.

Didn't know what hit him.

Keep up the good work.

Belter, I hope he tasted as good?!! 

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Worse than Hitler imo.

 

Mr Corbyn? 

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

Mr Corbyn? 

 

Herr Corbyn, thank you very much.

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Eh? I said "for sport" dude i.e trophies.

You really don't get it do you. Roe, Red, Sika and Fallow stalked and shot in Scotland by the thousands, antlers on walls and meat in the freezer and on the plate. 

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Herr Corbyn, thank you very much.

Apologies. 

[i8hibsh]

20 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

My cousin is a vegan and looks like a good feed would kill him. 

 

 

 

Aye but he is a better person than you...............seemingly.

[Bindy Badgy]

2 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

What about me then, when I shoot a deer then butcher it and put it in my freezer along with pheasants and partridges that I shot and the trout and salmon that I caught that mekes me "scum"? Or the "yank" that shoots a turkey and has it at thanks giving also makes him "scum"?

 

This is far more responsible than buying meat from the shops. Aside from the welfare issues you aren't contributing to antibiotic resistance, CO2 emissions and all of the other environmental issues associated with intensive farming. Recreational fishing can be a bit dodgy depending on how the fisherman disposes of used fishing line and so on but it's still infinitely better the trawlers that wipe out entire populations.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Stokesy

[i8hibsh]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You really don't get it do you. Roe, Red, Sika and Fallow stalked and shot in Scotland by the thousands, antlers on walls and meat in the freezer and on the plate. 

 

 

Not really sure what you are arguing, who you are arguing with and why we are arguing.  We agree.

[Dawnrazor]

22 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

My cousin is a vegan and looks like a good feed would kill him. 

 

 

If he was my cousin Jonno I'd have had his head on a plaque above the fire place by now

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Aye but he is a better person than you...............seemingly.

 

Nothing but virtue signalling, eh mate.

 

Scum should be held down and force fed king rib suppers.

 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Not really sure what you are arguing, who you are arguing with and why we are arguing.  We agree.

We don't. 

You keep saying "sport" is hunting for "trophies" and this is wrong, you stalk shoot does and hinds in exactly the same way as you do for Stags and Bucks, the sport is exactly the same. 

[i8hibsh]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

We don't. 

You keep saying "sport" is hunting for "trophies" and this is wrong, you stalk shoot does and hinds in exactly the same way as you do for Stags and Bucks, the sport is exactly the same. 

 

For me it is simple:

 

To hunt and kill an innocent animal for no other reason than for enjoyment, to boast, for pride, for back slaps or a trophy is beyond reprehensible.

 

To hunt and kill an animal as part of the food chain is natural.

 

You talk that you do it for food, so to me that is fine as long as you are not doing it with a smile on your face.

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

 

You talk that you do it for food, so to me that is fine as long as you are not doing it with a smile on your face.

"as long as you're not doing it with a smile on you face." 

That has got to be the most ridiculous thing you've posted so far!!!! 

 

 

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

"as long as you're not doing it with a smile on you face." 

That has got to be the most ridiculous thing you've posted so far!!!! 

 

 

 

Anyone who enjoys killing anything, be a spider, deer or human is sick twisted and evil imo.

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Anyone who enjoys killing anything, be a spider, deer or human is sick twisted and evil imo.

Aye, OK, so everyone who kills and eats a trout they've enjoyed catching is "sick twisted and evil" and "scum"......... 

[i8hibsh]

15 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Aye, OK, so everyone who kills and eats a trout they've enjoyed catching is "sick twisted and evil" and "scum"......... 

 

 

And sadistic.

 

Think about it for a second (somehting most peopel don't i imagine).  Putting an end to a living being and laughing and smiling.  Ending a life with a smile on your face.  

 

I dion't see many people fishing, catching a fish and having a party.  Usually they take a picture of their catch and release back into the river, if not they take it home to serve up as their dinner which of course is nature.

 

 

I guess I am verging on getting personal to you here and I don't mean to.  I have no beef with you (excuse the pun) so don't want to offend but I have my opinion and having pleasure in death is not right.

 

 

 

 

[Dawnrazor]

9 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

And sadistic.

 

Think about it for a second (somehting most peopel don't i imagine).  Putting an end to a living being and laughing and smiling.  Ending a life with a smile on your face.  

 

I dion't see many people fishing, catching a fish and having a party.  Usually they take a picture of their catch and release back into the river, if not they take it home to serve up as their dinner which of course is nature.

 

 

I guess I am verging on getting personal to you here and I don't mean to.  I have no beef with you (excuse the pun) so don't want to offend but I have my opinion and having pleasure in death is not right.

 

 

 

 

I'm not looking for a fight either, I just find you view on this, extremist, equating, as you have, someone who kills a rabbit that's eating a crop say, or a trout, or a Roe Deer and enjoys it is "twisted" "evil" "scum" "sadistic" and equal to someone who murders people is reprehensible imo, utterly ludicrous. You're calling the millions of people in the UK who fish and shoot "mass murderers" basically

Edited August 2, 2018 by Dawnrazor

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

I'm not looking for a fight either, I just find you view on this, extremist, equating, as you have, someone who kills a rabbit that's eating a crop say, or a trout, or a Roe Deer and enjoys it is "twisted" "evil" "scum" and equal to someone who murders people is reprehensible imo, utterly ludicrous. 

 

 

Not fully what I am getting at.  Getting pest control in to humanely kill is acceptable, it has to be. If people's livelihoods are at stake etc (crops etc) - we are, like it or not top of the food chain.  Doesn't mean we need to be dicks about it and have a party.  I am just not for taking enjoyment in killing.  That is where I am going. 

 

Pest control etc are clearly not evil or scum and I hope my earlier posts never insinuated otherwise.  I don't think they did at least.  Pest control is not a sport.

Edited August 2, 2018 by i8hibsh

[Dawnrazor]

30 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Not fully what I am getting at.  Getting pest control in to humanely kill is acceptable, it has to be. If people's livelihoods are at stake etc (crops etc) - we are, like it or not top of the food chain.  Doesn't mean we need to be dicks about it and have a party.  I am just not for taking enjoyment in killing.  That is where I am going. 

 

Pest control etc are clearly not evil or scum and I hope my earlier posts never insinuated otherwise.  I don't think they did at least.  Pest control is not a sport.

This is what you're not getting, "Pest Control" IS a sport to millions, Crow, Pigeon, Rabbit, Rat, Deer shooting is the only shooting the vast majority of people who shoot get!!! 

Do you not think the people who help protect crops enjoy it??? 

Do you think the sit in a hide, spend wet cold nights laming or crawl through fields and peat hags because it makes them miserable? 

[Taffin]

11 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

This is what you're not getting, "Pest Control" IS a sport to millions, Crow, Pigeon, Rabbit, Rat, Deer shooting is the only shooting the vast majority of people who shoot get!!! 

Do you not think the people who help protect crops enjoy it??? 

Do you think the sit in a hide, spend wet cold nights laming or crawl through fields and peat hags because it makes them miserable? 

 

 

I think I8 is referring to sport hunting in the below definition (from an online dictionary, not interested in an etymology debate as I'm sure your interpretation differs), it may be more apt to use the term 'trophy hunting':

 

sport hunting

hunting without collection of a food or other commercial product; hunting for trophy or prize.

 

I'm inclined to agree with that definition and also that those who do it are awful people.

 

Hunting with collection of food or for pest control, I'm totally at ease with.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Taffin

[Spitonastranger]

A thread started by meat eaters complaining about vegans going on and on. It is filled with meat eaters going on and on complaining and whinging  probably all the drugs and additives in the food you eat.

[Dawnrazor]

43 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

I think I8 is referring to sport hunting in the below definition (from an online dictionary, not interested in an etymology debate as I'm sure your interpretation differs), it may be more apt to use the term 'trophy hunting':

 

sport hunting

hunting without collection of a food or other commercial product; hunting for trophy or prize.

 

I'm inclined to agree with that definition and also that those who do it are awful people.

 

Hunting with collection of food or for pest control, I'm totally at ease with.

People can't seem to grasp that sport/pest contol/food are the same!! 

"hunting without collection of a food or other commercial product" 

Apart from from the big African cats, everything else pretty much is eaten or sold to be eaten, if its eaten or sold to be eaten it both food and a commercial product, whether its a stag with antlers destined to be mounted(oo Matron) or a hind with no trophy value apart from the skin and ivory. No one really needs to eat venison or pigeon or rabbit or trout but people like to for various reasons. 

Do you think people who shoot and enjoy the "sport" deserve the title "scum twisted evil ect" and labbled "no better than murderers"? It's a bit strong in my book.