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Jambo66
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The problem with fans of Celtic, Rangers deceased and Sevco is that they just don't understand that the vast majority of Hearts fans and fans of every other club in Scotland don't secretly support one

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A more reasonable take on it with the Guardian's headline today :   "Tribunal approves substantial cut in Rangers' tax liability"   Not "Rangers win ..." etc.

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http://www.scotsman....efing-1-2643329      

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What exactly is the point of Latin in 2017? To the best of my knowledge it isn't a functional language, yet it's still taught in schools. I suppose Latin is a relevant subject to discuss on a thread about Rangers since both of them are dead.

 

Arsium stickium to both of them.

 

Generally regarded as the basis for a lot of foreign languages

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I think they're posting in Latin to stop Rangers fans from understanding - though I don't either.... ;)

you should at least know that AM a bam is Latin too :-)

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We were so poor when I was a youngster that the closest I got to owning a video was Latin homework

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We were so poor when I was a youngster that the closest I got to owning a video was Latin homework

 

I see what you did there. ;)

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Some reckon Latin contributes to about 60% of the English language so it can be useful for understanding unfamiliar words. It's even being revived in Scottish schools to improve vocabulary and comprehension. Best though is that a short pompous phrase in any conversation makes you appear clever even if you haven't a clue.

 

So, if you are discussing this tax case with the enemy all you need to say is

 

Facta non verba

 

(Deeds not words)

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Anyway ...

 

James Doleman? @jamesdoleman 11m11 minutes ago

At Glasgow High Court where we may see the beginning of the trial of former Rangers' owner Craig Whyte

 

 

The main man has arrived.

 

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The Defender of the Faith Craigy Boy Whyte arriving at court.

 

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The Defender of the Faith Craigy Boy Whyte arriving at court.

 

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Donald Findlay QC there

 

Hope he's not neglecting Cowdenbeath

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When I say defender of the Faith, I mean Fidei Defensor.

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Nae Burd with him the day then

 

Just an overnight bag too.  Mustn't be expecting to be detained too long. :whistling:

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In the defence of Latin it is still used heavily in Scots law and medicine and also its useful to learn Italian and Spanish, even the gardeners and bird watchers use it

 

my own family moto is Dum Quero Spiro, and that book brings me so back to second year at school, well done for finding it, and if Orcs have sophophobia then it keeps them from trolling

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When I say defender of the Faith, I mean Fidei Defensor.

Donald ad litem Findlay receptus neque deditionem

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Donald ad litem Findlay receptus neque deditionem

 

:rofl:

 

Gotta love Google translate!

 

'Donald Findlay was received no surrender to the suit,'

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Some reckon Latin contributes to about 60% of the English language so it can be useful for understanding unfamiliar words. It's even being revived in Scottish schools to improve vocabulary and comprehension. Best though is that a short pompous phrase in any conversation makes you appear clever even if you haven't a clue.

 

So, if you are discussing this tax case with the enemy all you need to say is

 

Facta non verba

 

(Deeds not words)

Yep, I can confirm I use my sparse knowledge of Latin as a means of smug one-upmanship when feeling threatened by the level of the debate

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:rofl:

 

Gotta love Google translate!

 

'Donald Findlay was received no surrender to the suit,'

LOL dont translate in it's entirety, the first part is a dig at Whyte though

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LOL dont translate in it's entirety, the first part is a dig at Whyte though

 

:thumbsup:

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Hope his bag is full of tape recordings[emoji1]

 

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So this is what a patsy looks like,hope he manages to get the real crooks in the dock,no doubt he will have something up his sleeve
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James Doleman? @jamesdoleman 2m2 minutes ago

 

 

 

 

 

  • Case of HMA v Craig Whyte due to be called at 10am. Not had a decision on live-tweeting yet.

I'm assuming there's no live tweets then..?

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I'm assuming there's no live tweets then..?

https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman

 

aa97d00733a96897045c26aeac6a570f_normal. James Doleman @jamesdoleman

Breaking: A jury has been sworn in at the Trial of Craig Whyte in Glasgow

 

 

aa97d00733a96897045c26aeac6a570f_bigger. James Doleman? @jamesdoleman 1m1 minute ago

 
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Jury have been read the indictment and are now hearing opening remarks from the presiding judge, Lady Stacey

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Breaking: A jury has been sworn in at the Trial of Craig Whyte in Glasgow


 




Jury have been read the indictment and are now hearing opening remarks from the presiding judge, Lady Stacey



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So this is what a patsy looks like,hope he manages to get the real crooks in the dock,no doubt he will have something up his sleeve

Looking forward to an explanation (sworn court testimony ?)  as to how Ticketus was persuaded , and by whom , to give this guy ?26 million up front. He must have had senior business figures lying on his behalf as he (Whyte) had no previous experience of running a football club or involvement with Ticketus.  Don't forget Rangers RIP launched their own internal investigation of him prior to the sale which had red flags all over it. And yet, the sale not only went ahead but Ticketus shelled out THEIR cash so that Whyte could pay off the Llloyds debt to get control.

 

This could be a very interesting few weeks. SDM in the witness box ? 

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accredited journalists allowed to live-tweet during the trial of Craig Whyte.


 




Jury now coming back into court


 




Lady Stacey now going through court procedure with the jury and introducing counsel.


 




Remember everyone contempt of court applies to Twitter too so worth thinking before you tweet


 


 





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Lady Stacey tells the jury no-one can tell either the Crown or the defence what evidence they can put before them

 

Lady Stacey "What's put out on the internet is not evidence" tells jury to ignore what is on social media "you are not detectives"

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Lady Stacey tells jury about a juror who looked up a witness on Facebook and was ruled in contempt of court


 




Last Stacey reminds jurors they should not comment on social media about the case, reminds press only to report evidence



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Lady Stacey ends her remarks and the Advocate Depute opens the case for the Crown by having the "minute of agreement" read


 




The "minute of agreement" covers facts that both sides accept are true, including addresses, company registration numbers etc 2/2


 




Agreed fact Wavetower ltd, which purchased shares in Rangers, subsidiary of Liberty Capital which was based in British Virgin islands


 




Advocate Depute says he has no witnesses ready for today, jury sent home until 10am tomorrow





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The full indictment

 

 

 

HIGH COURT OF JUSTICIARY AT GLASGOW

Continued Preliminary Hearing: 3 October 2016

CRAIG THOMAS WHYTE, born 18 January 1971, whose domicile of citation has been specified as Flat 3, 37 Wilton Crescent, London, SW1 8RX;

you are indicted at the instance of Her Majesty?s Advocate, and the charges against you are that

(001) between 1 May 2010 and 9 May 2011, both dates inclusive, at the premises occupied by The Rangers Football Club plc (?Club?), a company incorporated under the Companies Acts, with registration number SC004276, and having its registered office at Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow; Murray Park, Auchenhowie Road, Milngavie; Murray MHL Limited (?Murray?) a company incorporated under the Companies Acts with registration number SC143450 and having its registered office at 10 Charlotte Square, Edinburgh; Dundas and Wilson LLP, Saltire Court, 20 Castle Terrace, Edinburgh; Lloyds Banking Group, New Uberior House, 11 Earl Grey Street, Edinburgh; Dickson Minto WS, 16 Charlotte Square, Edinburgh;Shepherd and Wedderburn LLP, 1 Exchange Crescent, Conference Square, Edinburgh; The Bank of Scotland plc, The Mound, Edinburgh; Castle Grant, Granton on Spey, Moray, and elsewhere in Scotland; Merchant Turnaround plc (?Merchant?), a company incorporated under the Companies Acts, with registration number 07116894, and having its registered office at 7th Floor, Aldermary House, 10 ? 15 Queen Street, London and premises at 34 Lime Street and 63 Queen Victoria Street both London; The Merchant House Group having its registered office at 7th Floor, Aldermary House, 10 ? 15 Queen Street, London; Collyer Bristow LLP, 4 Bedford Row, London; the Worthington Group plc, incorporated and registered in England and Wales with registration number 527186 and having its registered office at 1 The Green, Richmond, Surrey; Ticketus LLP a limited liability partnership incorporated and registered in England and Wales with registration number OC341356 and having its registered office at 20 Old Bailey, London; Ticketus 2 LLP a limited liability partnership incorporated and registered in England and Wales with company registration number OC346235 and having its registered office at 20 Old Bailey, London; Octopus Investments Limited, a company incorporated under the Companies Act with registration number 03942880 having its registered office at 20 Old Bailey, London; C Hoare & Co, Private Bankers, 37 Fleet Street and 32 Lowndes Street, both London; Dickson Minto WS, Broadgate Tower, 20 Primrose Street, London; MCR Business Consulting (now Duff & Phelps), 43-45 Portman Square, London; the Dorchester Hotel, London; Clarke Wilmot LLP, 1 George?s Square, Bath Street, Bristol; and elsewhere in England, and at addresses meantime to the prosecutor unknown in France and Monaco, you CRAIG THOMAS WHYTE, with intent to acquire a majority and controlling stake in the shareholding of the Club from Murray through Wavetower Limited a company incorporated under the Companies Acts with registration number 07380537 and having its registered office at 4 Bedford Row, London this being a company incorporated for the purpose of and the means used to effect said acquisition and a company managed and controlled by you and also being a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberty Capital Limited a company incorporated in the British Virgin Islands with registration number 421410 having its registered office at c/o LWB Company Limited, PO Box 92, Road Town, Tortola, this being a company owned by you,

(i) did both directly and by the hands of your representatives namely Andrew Ellis, Philip Betts, William Lee, Gary Martin Withey and David Henry Grier, all c/o Police Service of Scotland, Gartcosh, pretend to the Officers of Murray namely Sir David Murray, Michael McGill and David Horne, all c/o Police Service of Scotland, Gartcosh and to the legal representatives of Murray namely Dundas and Wilson LLP that you, Wavetower Limited and Liberty Capital Limited individually or collectively had funds available to make all the payments stipulated by the representatives of Murray as being necessary to enable Wavetower Limited to acquire a controlling and majority stake in the shareholding of the Club from Murray and more particularly did pretend to said representatives in negotiations leading to and within a Share Purchase Agreement dated 6 May 2011 signed and concluded by you on behalf of Wavetower Limited and Liberty Capital Limited with Murray that Wavetower Limited had immediately available from its own and third party resources on an unconditional basis the cash resources necessary:- (a) to meet its obligations under said Agreement to contribute to the Club an amount equal to ?5,000,000 for the playing squad, ?1,700,000 for a Health and Safety liability and an amount equal to the small tax case liability of ?2,800,000 said sums to be held and paid under the terms of the Purchaser?s Solicitor?s Undertaking of even date; (B) to pay the amount required to be paid under the Assignation Agreement dated 5 May 2011 between the Bank of Scotland PLC, Wavetower Limited, the Club and Subsidiaries of ?18,000,962.29 and © to fund the reasonably foreseeable ongoing working capital requirements of the Club of ?5,000,000,

(ii) the truth being as you well knew that said funds were not available and said cash resources were not immediately available on an unconditional basis at the time said Agreements were concluded in respect that the sums pretended by you to represent such immediately available and unconditionally held cash resources in fact comprised ?3,925,000 from Merchant Turnaround plc and the Trustees of the Jerome Group plc Retirement Benefits Plan Fund which was not held on an unconditional basis and ?24,357,094 from Ticketus LLP and Ticketus 2 LLP (?Ticketus?) which was held subject to an agreement or agreements being entered into between the Club and Ticketus after said acquisition in respect of the sale and purchase of season tickets for the three year period following said acquisition,

(iii) and you did thereby induce the said Officers of Murray to negotiate, enter into and conclude the said Share Purchase Agreement dated 6 May 2011 between Murray, Wavetower Limited and Liberty Capital Limited and to transfer 92,842,388 of ordinary shares being a majority and controlling stake in the shareholding in the Club, from Murray to Wavetower Limited and did thus obtain through Wavetower Limited 92,842,388 ordinary shares being a majority and controlling stake in the shareholding of the Club by fraud;

(002) you CRAIG THOMAS WHYTE, being an officer of a company, namely a director of The Rangers Football Club plc, a company incorporated under the Companies Acts, with company number SC004276 and having its registered office at Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow (hereinafter referred to as the ?Club?), and knowing that a person, namely Wavetower Limited, a company incorporated under the Companies Acts, with company number 07380537 and having its registered office at 4 Bedford Row, London (hereinafter referred to as ?Wavetower?) had acquired 92,842,388 ordinary shares in the Club from Murray and a liability had been incurred by Wavetower for the purpose of the said acquisition, namely that Wavetower had undertaken, in terms of the Assignation Agreement between Wavetower and the Bank of Scotland plc dated 5 May 2011 and the Share Purchase Agreement between Murray and Wavetower dated 6 May 2011, to pay at least ?18,000,000 to the Bank of Scotland plc for an assignation of the debt owed to the Bank of Scotland plc by the Club, did on 9 May 2011 at Ibrox Stadium, 150 Edmiston Drive, Glasgow; Dundas and Wilson LLP, Saltire Court, 20 Castle Terrace, Edinburgh; Lloyds Banking Group, New Uberior House, 11 Earl Grey Street, Edinburgh; Dickson Minto WS, 16 Charlotte Square, Edinburgh; the Bank of Scotland plc, The Mound, Edinburgh; Collyer Bristow LLP, 4 Bedford Row, London, authorise or permit the Club unlawfully to give financial assistance directly or indirectly for the purpose of reducing or discharging the said liability of Wavetower to the Bank of Scotland plc, and at the time said financial assistance was given the Club in which the shares had been acquired was a public company, in that upon appointment as director you did cause the Club to enter into a loan agreement with Wavetower and, in implementation of the said loan agreement, to lend ?18,000,000 to Wavetower, which in turn allowed Wavetower to meet its liability incurred to the Bank of Scotland plc for the purpose of the said acquisition: CONTRARY to Sections 678(3) and 680(1) and (2) of the Companies Act 2006;
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corryjambo

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That due diligence/ proof of funds thing you do when transferring businesses has a lot going for it.

 

Try telling that to Fred Goodwin.

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He'll use it to save his own skin. They'll be a few squirming when he sings like a canary though [emoji1]

You think? Don't see it. He played his role in a sham. Just now seeing it out. Taking the ball into the corner.

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I've never been a juror (thank ****), but I think this type of case would be brutal for your average pleb.

12 weeks of boring, confusing shite speak.

 

I'll happy wait until verdict day before reading any of it.

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You think? Don't see it. He played his role in a sham. Just now seeing it out. Taking the ball into the corner.

Maybe, but he might have to keep it in the corner for a very long time, this case is scheduled to run for 12 weeks, mainly, I believe, because of the preponderance of evidence Whyte has put forward that runs into many thousands of pages. Now that the case is underway, any benefit Whyte might have got for pleading guilty will have gone! He'd have been better off kicking the ball into the stand, just before kick-off, if he doesn't want to see this game to a conclusion ;)

 

Saying that, though, doesn't mean that the prosecution won't throw in the towel if their case against him isn't all that strong, as some have suggested.

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I've never been a juror (thank ****), but I think this type of case would be brutal for your average pleb.

12 weeks of boring, confusing shite speak.

 

I'll happy wait until verdict day before reading any of it.

....and an absolute bugger for anyone self employed..! :blink:

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I've never been a juror (thank ****), but I think this type of case would be brutal for your average pleb.

12 weeks of boring, confusing shite speak.

 

I'll happy wait until verdict day before reading any of it.

Someone from one of our offices is about to finish a multiple mortgage scam case as a juror which has been running since Sept.............2015.

 

Its been on so long his main group of friends are his fellow jurors.

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When you hear the sequence of events (of that Whyte takeover) as summarised today by some reporter on BBC radio, it reminds you how curious that it passed with so little scrutiny at the time from anyone. It was just allowed to play out. Now we have the final inevitable insult.

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Someone from one of our offices is about to finish a multiple mortgage scam case as a juror which has been running since Sept.............2015.

 

Its been on so long his main group of friends are his fellow jurors.

Good grief. That is shocking. Potentially career and relationship ending.

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