Submarine Vlad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 18 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Mr consistent alright, backward passes and throws, couldn’t cross or pass. Backed off anyone who ran at him. Great guy and always gave 100% but he was not a great player by any stretch of anyone’s imagination. Tend to agree with this. Really liked him as a guy but he was pretty overrated in my opinion. Quite lightweight at times and not great at defending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnjambo Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Steven Frail was a RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam-Tart Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Submarine Vlad said: McGowan was unbelievable for one season. Watched a few games back from then and he was very dominant (and loved smashing Hibs players) I'm not saying McGowan wasn't good, I in my opinion just think Smith was a better full back defensively & for that matter going forward. Gower is a club legend of course and nothing because of 2012 will ever detract from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Submarine Vlad said: Tend to agree with this. Really liked him as a guy but he was pretty overrated in my opinion. Quite lightweight at times and not great at defending We need a top class RB to come in this summer without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, Bairnjambo said: Steven Frail was a RB. Great attacker but poor defender, a bit like Patterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Submarine Vlad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 12 minutes ago, Jam-Tart said: I'm not saying McGowan wasn't good, I in my opinion just think Smith was a better full back defensively & for that matter going forward. Gower is a club legend of course and nothing because of 2012 will ever detract from that. Yeah fair doos. McGowan absolute hero indeed! Love that man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam-Tart Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 12 minutes ago, Submarine Vlad said: Yeah fair doos. McGowan absolute hero indeed! Love that man *Gowser* As did I, and a top bloke too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Klack Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: We need a top class RB to come in this summer without a doubt. 💯 agree. Right back is a huge weakness right now and needs addressing asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Dex got caught under the wind today and the Mirren lad made a truly outstanding run to get his goal. I don't want to be overly critical for what was a pretty good performance but it's also the kind of mistake he keeps making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyboy7 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 If he can't defend he's basically no good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) The hearts standard did a fantastic bit of analysis between dex and natty. pretty much confirmed what everyone thinks. by the data Atkinson is clearly better defender by every measure bar heading, which both of them are struggle with. In terms of the league Atkinsons numbers are average where Dex is statistically the weakest right back in the league. Apparently 84% of the time he gets dribbled past. going forward they both have strengths, though dex has a better left foot and Atkinson get the ball pinched more often becuase he’s ran inside and loses control of it a bit. most of the above was from memory, would encourage all to have a listen as was a great piece. I like dex. But he’s a winger imo or at best a full back when we are playing a team who won’t force us on the back foot. If we were to buy him it would be for that role Edited April 7 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 That is him cost us two goals in two weeks. I don’t want to see him start again for us. Loanees should be coming in and strengthening the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 https://www.heartsstandard.co.uk/news/24229635.position-key-hearts-transfer-priority/ kingsley RB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I like him. Proper wing back and needs more support from his RCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWF Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Pushing hard for more brain farts than Sibbick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 The guy has some potential, but he makes far too many mistakes. He would need a hell of a lot of coaching to improve his game. I don't think we have that amount of time to give him unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, TWF said: Pushing hard for more brain farts than Sibbick I'm not sure yesterday is a brain fart to be fair to the boy. Cochrane needs to help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJ Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Quite interesting that Jamaica played Dexter in an advanced role in their last International. I guess they've decided he's better as a winger than defender. Wolves will have decisions to make as it is starting to look he'll always have problems defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 18 minutes ago, JTJ said: Quite interesting that Jamaica played Dexter in an advanced role in their last International. I guess they've decided he's better as a winger than defender. Wolves will have decisions to make as it is starting to look he'll always have problems defending. I suspect Wolves have made their decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, TWF said: Pushing hard for more brain farts than Sibbick Other guy is stronger in the challenge 💪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, Taffin said: I like him. Proper wing back and needs more support from his RCB. More support from our most consistent performer this season? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section s heart Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Carter said: I'm not sure yesterday is a brain fart to be fair to the boy. Cochrane needs to help him. Yeah if Cochrane makes a strong challenge for the ball, at worst it holds up the St Mirren boy, and the goal doesn't happen. But Dexter didn't look too clever either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 36 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said: I suspect Wolves have made their decision. agreed. He doesn’t have the fundamentals to play at that level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 5 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: The hearts standard did a fantastic bit of analysis between dex and natty. pretty much confirmed what everyone thinks. by the data Atkinson is clearly better defender by every measure bar heading, which both of them are struggle with. In terms of the league Atkinsons numbers are average where Dex is statistically the weakest right back in the league. Apparently 84% of the time he gets dribbled past. going forward they both have strengths, though dex has a better left foot and Atkinson get the ball pinched more often becuase he’s ran inside and loses control of it a bit. most of the above was from memory, would encourage all to have a listen as was a great piece. I like dex. But he’s a winger imo or at best a full back when we are playing a team who won’t force us on the back foot. If we were to buy him it would be for that role Yeah, that pretty much matches my view. Although it won't include the cup matches in which I had to watch Lembikisa repeatedly slice the ball out of play when trying to play up the line. One thing is for sure, Lembikisa is not a significant step up from Atkinson. With that in mind, I'd much rather play the one we own than the one on loan. If the reverse was true, I could see the point of playing Lembikisa over Atkinson at this stage of the season even though I prefer Atkinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, hmfc_liam06 said: More support from our most consistent performer this season? 😂 People's biggest criticism of him is defensively...which just isn't really the main purpose of a wing back. So yeh if he's getting roasted and costing goals, I'd be looking equally, if not more, at the rcb. Also - most consistent performer?!? Edited April 7 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 28 minutes ago, Taffin said: People's biggest criticism of him is defensively...which just isn't really the main purpose of a wing back. So yeh if he's getting roasted and costing goals, I'd be looking equally, if not more, at the rcb. Also - most consistent performer?!? Yes. Kent, our RCB and most consistent performer this year. You called him out for needing to provide more support. We couldn’t have asked for more from Kent this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, hmfc_liam06 said: Yes. Kent, our RCB and most consistent performer this year. You called him out for needing to provide more support. We couldn’t have asked for more from Kent this season. How many times has Kent played rcb with Dexter at right wing back? I don't get to many games but my impression was Kent has usually played central. I'd say that position since Dexter has come into the club has been consistently inconsistent with various people playing the position. Edited April 7 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 7 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: https://www.heartsstandard.co.uk/news/24229635.position-key-hearts-transfer-priority/ kingsley RB? Hammy yesterday so hopefully back for semi but not at rb I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 4 hours ago, Carter said: I'm not sure yesterday is a brain fart to be fair to the boy. Cochrane needs to help him. Clark could have made it a bit harder for their striker as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 14 minutes ago, Taffin said: How many times has Kent played rcb with Dexter at right wing back? I don't get to many games but my impression was Kent has usually played central. I'd say that position since Dexter has come into the club has been consistently inconsistent with various people playing the position. Certainly not yesterday. Kingsley was rcb when on the park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 20 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Clark could have made it a bit harder for their striker as well. He could've but I just can't believe Cochrane passes responsibility on to the last man. Still way too many costly errors with Cochrane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 34 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Hammy yesterday so hopefully back for semi but not at rb I suspect. James Cairneys suggestion bud, by the data hard to disagree with him when facing a team like the huns tbh think we took him off as a precaution. Hopefully we did anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 54 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Certainly not yesterday. Kingsley was rcb when on the park I reckon it's mostly been Kingsley, and it's somewhat understandable him not really helping out being a left back playing at rcb. I was purposely supporting Dexter and avoiding criticising anyone else personally. Calling out Kent though supposedly 🤔 Edited April 7 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Carter said: He could've but I just can't believe Cochrane passes responsibility on to the last man. Still way too many costly errors with Cochrane. Agreed, he was poor again yesterday at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: James Cairneys suggestion bud, by the data hard to disagree with him when facing a team like the huns tbh think we took him off as a precaution. Hopefully we did anyway He was first to be ill last week, recovered, then felt his hammy yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 46 minutes ago, Taffin said: I reckon it's mostly been Kingsley, and it's somewhat understandable him not really helping out being a left back playing at rcb. I was purposely supporting Dexter and avoiding criticising anyone else personally. Calling out Kent though supposedly 🤔 👍happens all the time on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Taffin said: How many times has Kent played rcb with Dexter at right wing back? I don't get to many games but my impression was Kent has usually played central. I'd say that position since Dexter has come into the club has been consistently inconsistent with various people playing the position. 4/8 starts including the horror show last week. Edited April 7 by hmfc_liam06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedoorsdown Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Feels weird for once that I think Savage and in particularly Naismith will make the right decision re Dexter - my moneys on him going over to Europe before landing at a yo-yo league 1 / championship club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, Threedoorsdown said: Feels weird for once that I think Savage and in particularly Naismith will make the right decision re Dexter - my moneys on him going over to Europe before landing at a yo-yo league 1 / championship club. I don’t think there’s a decision to be made. He’s under contract and Wolves value him at 3 or 4 million. He’s 100% a stopgap while we look for a permanent right back. I reckon we’ve already got someone lined up. Also, Dexter is nowhere near good enough for Hearts anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: I don’t think there’s a decision to be made. He’s under contract and Wolves value him at 3 or 4 million. He’s 100% a stopgap while we look for a permanent right back. I reckon we’ve already got someone lined up. Also, Dexter is nowhere near good enough for Hearts anyway. There's not a chance he's worth 3/4M. Player valuations are massively inflated down south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordons left glove Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 28 minutes ago, DG_HMFC said: There's not a chance he's worth 3/4M. Player valuations are massively inflated down south. I would say that's what transfermarkt says but they're full of shit so 🤷🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 On 07/04/2024 at 22:08, DG_HMFC said: There's not a chance he's worth 3/4M. Player valuations are massively inflated down south. Agreed on both points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 When I first saw us on Saturday I thought we were playing in a back 4 with him at RB again and I despaired until I realized we were in a back 3. As others have said, on replay, he misplays a ball that gets caught in the wind but Cochrane should have given him more help. Except that he's already prone to that kind of mistake. I like Dex fine but I like Atkinson better, although I think Natty has had trouble keeping his head and his confidence up, and when those slip his play slips too. I think if he could kick on and take the next step he could really be an asset there but that may be asking too much of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 On 07/04/2024 at 22:08, DG_HMFC said: There's not a chance he's worth 3/4M. Player valuations are massively inflated down south. They are inflated, but they may well get that. £3m now is the equivalent of £300k 20 years ago. In Scotland we haven’t kept pace with the rest of the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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