hughesie27 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 17 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I know you're being facetious, hughesie, but it is a reasonable topic for debate with valid arguments either way. At some point, though, we need to decide what sort of a society we want to be, and what sort of a society we want to protect. It's at that juncture that the financial implications of any decision making should run secondary to the moral and ethical standpoint we, as a collective, are striving to protect. It's up to each individual to decide what that standpoint is, of course, and the full spectrum of views are on show here. It's no surprise that the more extreme views are consistent with a general right-leaning intolerance that runs across multiple threads. Basically Shamima Begum was so rubbish at being a terrorist that she's no even worth worrying about. She should have chopped off some heads if she really wanted to come home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: She should have chopped off some heads if she really wanted to come home. With the added benefit of edging her towards the Amanda Knox category of pumpable murderous sociopath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: With the added benefit of edging her towards the Amanda Knox category of pumpable murderous sociopath. Knox-Begum threesome for maximum kudos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 45 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I know you're being facetious, hughesie, but it is a reasonable topic for debate with valid arguments either way. At some point, though, we need to decide what sort of a society we want to be, and what sort of a society we want to protect. It's at that juncture that the financial implications of any decision making should run secondary to the moral and ethical standpoint we, as a collective, are striving to protect. It's up to each individual to decide what that standpoint is, of course, and the full spectrum of views are on show here. It's no surprise that the more extreme views are consistent with a general right-leaning intolerance that runs across multiple threads. This is spot on btw. If anybody has said anything remotely sympathetic to her I have missed it and the suggestion that some on here, Scotland, Humza etc would welcome her back is insulting the debate. But while we are doing our best to remove the values of being a liberal, tolerant society that upholds the rule of law we still haven't quite taken that step yet. It is chilling how much extremism and intolerance are being accepted in political discourse and not just from Islamic fundamentalists either. This board is a useful window into different kinds of extremism and intolerance I am just about prepared to accept that the courts have enough information to make the right call on her status but the public interest has to look beyond how much it would cost to incarcerate / rehabilitate her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68655130 How many bids/chances does she have left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Ridiculous how many layers of appeal there are. Lawyers love cases like this, can keep dragging it out and coining it indefinitely. Be the European Court of Human Rights if the Supreme Court tell her to sling her Abu Hamza hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 12 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Ridiculous how many layers of appeal there are. Lawyers love cases like this, can keep dragging it out and coining it indefinitely. Be the European Court of Human Rights if the Supreme Court tell her to sling her Abu Hamza hook. And I was wondering,why do illegal immigrants want to come to blighty? I think you've answered that question for me 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Is she doing Onlyfans yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 23/02/2024 at 18:16, hughesie27 said: If she is such a high threat to the UK due to her Terrorist connections. Surely she's a much smaller threat rotting in a UK jail that roaming about freely in Syria? Just on the facts of the case, she's in a camp with other ISIS people which is basically a prison. She's pretty restricted in what she can do. She could still go to jail there though that's less likely as Syria has other things to bother with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 23/02/2024 at 18:16, hughesie27 said: If she is such a high threat to the UK due to her Terrorist connections. Surely she's a much smaller threat rotting in a UK jail that roaming about freely in Syria? Just on the facts of the case, she's in a camp with other ISIS people which is basically a prison. She's pretty restricted in what she can do. She could still go to jail there though that's less likely as Syria has other things to bother with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 26/02/2024 at 18:16, il Duce McTarkin said: I know you're being facetious, hughesie, but it is a reasonable topic for debate with valid arguments either way. At some point, though, we need to decide what sort of a society we want to be, and what sort of a society we want to protect. It's at that juncture that the financial implications of any decision making should run secondary to the moral and ethical standpoint we, as a collective, are striving to protect. It's up to each individual to decide what that standpoint is, of course, and the full spectrum of views are on show here. It's no surprise that the more extreme views are consistent with a general right-leaning intolerance that runs across multiple threads. I'd say I'm right leaning. But totally agree on your sentiment on this topic. It's also worth remembering she was a UK citizen and a child arguably groomed. Our responsibility our citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malinga the Swinga Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 48 minutes ago, Ked said: I'd say I'm right leaning. But totally agree on your sentiment on this topic. It's also worth remembering she was a UK citizen and a child arguably groomed. Our responsibility our citizen. Nope, she isn't our responsibility at all. Made her bed, now she can rot in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, Dawnrazor said: Is she doing Onlyfans yet? You should know, you’ve completed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 10 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: You should know, you’ve completed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, Ked said: I'd say I'm right leaning. But totally agree on your sentiment on this topic. It's also worth remembering she was a UK citizen and a child arguably groomed. Our responsibility our citizen. I wouldn't say that you're right wing, I'd say that you're honest with a propensity to think out loud. It's that half-thought through pragmatism that can make you seem right wing, but I'd say that you're pretty balanced over-all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I wouldn't say that you're right wing, I'd say that you're honest with a propensity to think out loud. It's that half-thought through pragmatism that can make you seem right wing, but I'd say that you're pretty balanced over-all. Mate. Yer some guy man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 31 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I wouldn't say that you're right wing, I'd say that you're honest with a propensity to think out loud. It's that half-thought through pragmatism that can make you seem right wing, but I'd say that you're pretty balanced over-all. Think you missed out "lol jokes" at the end. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 https://news.sky.com/story/briton-who-flew-to-join-russian-forces-in-ukraine-insists-he-is-not-a-terrorist-13102771 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May98 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I feel sorry for her. Racialised as a child and made the wrong choice, has to pay for the rest of her life after she realised she ****ed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 5 hours ago, May98 said: I feel sorry for her. Racialised as a child and made the wrong choice, has to pay for the rest of her life after she realised she ****ed up. She can't just indefinitely live in a refugee camp. If she dies then I think the UK government is partly responsible. Inclined to agree, I know 15 is old enough to know better, but still a child. Something I've always despised about America is the obsession they have for charging youths as adults. This really isn't much better. The right thing, isn't the easy thing and I completely agree with the against camp in that it is offensive to allow someone who has knowingly left the country to join a ****ing terror state to come back, but the government needs to hold itself to a higher standard, and I was pretty surprised to see this unfold in the manner it has. She could turn out to be a very powerful anti-radicalisation speaker if managed correctly. I don't particularly want her back, but again. Right thing isn't the easy thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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