Give Naismith time, what he is trying to achieve, our identity

[jambogaza]

Just now, Ian Black 8 said:

I said before he was appointed no matter who was brought in certain fans wouldn’t be happy but the fact Naismith’s time hasn’t went to plan so far it’s gone to get highlighted due to his inexperience. Something has got to give somewhere in the club the now you can start to see a divide developing…

 

The last line of defence for SN is 10 points from a possible 15 in the last 5 non old firm games. He will need that to continue to have any chance of holding on. I have my doubts..

[colinmorewasgash]

Theres division in board division between dof and manager division in dressing room with players for and against naisy and division amongst fans re board management etc its not great club at moment.

[jr ewing]

12 minutes ago, Ian Black 8 said:

I said before he was appointed no matter who was brought in certain fans wouldn’t be happy but the fact Naismith’s time hasn’t went to plan so far it’s gone to get highlighted due to his inexperience. Something has got to give somewhere in the club the now you can start to see a divide developing…

Always trying to get managers on the cheap will be costly in the long term. 

[jamboozy]

2 hours ago, NextGenerationJambo said:

I've read multiple posters, on multiple threads criticising other hearts fans for expecting us to beat rangers yesterday (or anytime really). That is total conjecture. Not a single hearts fan expected us to beat them yesterday and that includes the 15,000 fans at Hampden. You can include the team and the manager in that as well, to be honest.

 

Everyone knows about the gulf in budget. Everyone knows about how these fixtures historically play out. All any hearts fan was asking for was to go down with a smidgen of fight. Make it difficult for them ffs. If you let a better team play to their strengths they will annihilate you 100 times out of 100. 

 

This thread was originally started to talk about Naismith's managerial "identity". So let's talk about it. 

 

Yesterday we barely stopped a single cross coming into the box from either side, we allowed Tavenier and Barasic, two of the best crossers in the league, 5/10 yards of space every single time out wide. Not only that, but they normally had a man overload for support and were able to play simple football around us with ease. It was like they had an extra man the entire game, our work ethic is awful and the narrow, zonal defending simply doesn't work. You can blame individual errors all you want, but when you play this way you invite opportunities for these errors to occur in dangerous areas. Sometimes you do need to just hold your hands up and accept you were outpalyed by better, more expensive players but the very least you can do to mitigate the gap in quality is get in their faces, put them under pressure, force them into quicker decisions and make them uncomfortable. We did the complete opposite of this. We allowed them to execute their gameplan with little resistance. 

 

When we had the ball at goalkicks we hoofed it to sibbick and continued to do so most of the game, despite him not winning a single header. 

 

We attempted long throw ins near their box despite not really having a long-throw specialist, most of them landed near the front post where there was one hearts player and multiple rangers players, we then had no one sitting at the edge of the box to pick up the second balls and rangers inevitably counter attacked and we were straight on the backfoot AGAIN. 

 

At 2-0 down in a semi-final, we had every man defending in our box at corners and freekicks. No outlet ball. And once again usuing a zonal marking system which led to us not defending the set piece all that comfortably. 

 

Multiple times in the game Butland was able to roll the ball to a Rangers CM who then proceeded to run 30/40 yards unchallenged straight up the middle of the pitch. Nothing to do with them being worth multiple millions of pounds, just sheer negligence, lack of awareness and effort. 

 

The blame is eqaully on the players and the manager, a proffessional footballer should be able to realise when something isn't working and use some initiative to try something new but I am afraid we have assembled a team of frighteningly one-dimensional players, many of whom are incapable of thinking for themselves and adapting as the game goes on. As for our "identity", well it is certainly not the fast paced, attacking, fearless football we were promised.

 

I will reiterate again, because many on here seem to somehow believe otherwise. No hearts fan expects to beat the old firm. No hearts fan expects to make every game against them hard. The reality is if they are on their game, they win. For the love of **** though, could we maybe once in a while, especially at home and in finals, put a few dents in their armour? Show that we aren't just here to take part and roll over and have our bellies tickled. I, and many others that walked out after the second and third goals are sick of it, we support this team impeccably and are given little in return to be proud of. Right now the identity of this team is cowardly, inglorious and apathetic, and I really am struggling to see how Naismith turns it round. 

A very well thought out and good post, thanks.

  If I could add another point as a fellow long suffering Hearts supporter, I could put up with OF defeats a lot better if we were putting other teams to the sword as easily as the OF do to us, but no, the total couldn’t give a shite attitude seems to permeate every game almost.

[Hmfc1965]

1 minute ago, jr ewing said:

Always trying to get managers on the cheap will be costly in the long term. 

I don't understand why we're singularly incapable of appointing a manager the way every other club in the world can.

[tian447]

Funny how there is no sign of OP in recent weeks. 

 

The well of excuses and clichés must have run dry. 

[tian447]

4 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

I think inevitably this will be the case. Shame as he is a hearts legend. 

 

Hearts Legend? 

 

Hearts ****ing Legend? 

 

70 appearances in 3 seasons, and 24 goals. No cup wins, no major achievements.  No association to the club previously, no childhood fan, no long term service. 

 

Oh, but he did shout at Jonny Hayes, and kick Scott Brown in the plums. 

 

Of course. 

[Walter Kidd]

We are run as a business rather than a football club.  Hence statements like "the footballing department" etc.  We are a team of shitebags.  A management team of inexperience and utter buffoonery.

 

I'm still pissed off that we have not laid a glove on an average Rangers team.  I am still pissed off that our board are inept and wouldn't know a footballer if they slept with one.

 

We are worse than under Neilson, who must be laughing his head off as he picks up his cash from gardening leave.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Walter Kidd

[chrystaf]

2 hours ago, NextGenerationJambo said:

I've read multiple posters, on multiple threads criticising other hearts fans for expecting us to beat rangers yesterday (or anytime really). That is total conjecture. Not a single hearts fan expected us to beat them yesterday and that includes the 15,000 fans at Hampden. You can include the team and the manager in that as well, to be honest.

 

Everyone knows about the gulf in budget. Everyone knows about how these fixtures historically play out. All any hearts fan was asking for was to go down with a smidgen of fight. Make it difficult for them ffs. If you let a better team play to their strengths they will annihilate you 100 times out of 100. 

 

This thread was originally started to talk about Naismith's managerial "identity". So let's talk about it. 

 

Yesterday we barely stopped a single cross coming into the box from either side, we allowed Tavenier and Barasic, two of the best crossers in the league, 5/10 yards of space every single time out wide. Not only that, but they normally had a man overload for support and were able to play simple football around us with ease. It was like they had an extra man the entire game, our work ethic is awful and the narrow, zonal defending simply doesn't work. You can blame individual errors all you want, but when you play this way you invite opportunities for these errors to occur in dangerous areas. Sometimes you do need to just hold your hands up and accept you were outpalyed by better, more expensive players but the very least you can do to mitigate the gap in quality is get in their faces, put them under pressure, force them into quicker decisions and make them uncomfortable. We did the complete opposite of this. We allowed them to execute their gameplan with little resistance. 

 

When we had the ball at goalkicks we hoofed it to sibbick and continued to do so most of the game, despite him not winning a single header. 

 

We attempted long throw ins near their box despite not really having a long-throw specialist, most of them landed near the front post where there was one hearts player and multiple rangers players, we then had no one sitting at the edge of the box to pick up the second balls and rangers inevitably counter attacked and we were straight on the backfoot AGAIN. 

 

At 2-0 down in a semi-final, we had every man defending in our box at corners and freekicks. No outlet ball. And once again usuing a zonal marking system which led to us not defending the set piece all that comfortably. 

 

Multiple times in the game Butland was able to roll the ball to a Rangers CM who then proceeded to run 30/40 yards unchallenged straight up the middle of the pitch. Nothing to do with them being worth multiple millions of pounds, just sheer negligence, lack of awareness and effort. 

 

The blame is eqaully on the players and the manager, a proffessional footballer should be able to realise when something isn't working and use some initiative to try something new but I am afraid we have assembled a team of frighteningly one-dimensional players, many of whom are incapable of thinking for themselves and adapting as the game goes on. As for our "identity", well it is certainly not the fast paced, attacking, fearless football we were promised.

 

I will reiterate again, because many on here seem to somehow believe otherwise. No hearts fan expects to beat the old firm. No hearts fan expects to make every game against them hard. The reality is if they are on their game, they win. For the love of **** though, could we maybe once in a while, especially at home and in finals, put a few dents in their armour? Show that we aren't just here to take part and roll over and have our bellies tickled. I, and many others that walked out after the second and third goals are sick of it, we support this team impeccably and are given little in return to be proud of. Right now the identity of this team is cowardly, inglorious and apathetic, and I really am struggling to see how Naismith turns it round. 

Fabulous post which encapsulates exactly what is wrong and why there is so much unrest.

 

Well said sir.  

[AC Mallin_51]

7 minutes ago, tian447 said:

 

Hearts Legend? 

 

Hearts ****ing Legend? 

 

70 appearances in 3 seasons, and 24 goals. No cup wins, no major achievements.  No association to the club previously, no childhood fan, no long term service. 

 

Oh, but he did shout at Jonny Hayes, and kick Scott Brown in the plums. 

 

Of course. 

Agree with this, he was a good player but absolutely is not a Hearts legend. He played very well in the 2020 final and if he ended up being the one who lifted the cup for us that day then yeah that would constitute legend. Captaining the side to a Championship win doesnt cut it either otherwise Danny Wilson would be a legend 

[tian447]

2 hours ago, NextGenerationJambo said:

Yesterday we barely stopped a single cross coming into the box from either side, we allowed Tavenier and Barasic, two of the best crossers in the league, 5/10 yards of space every single time out wide. Not only that, but they normally had a man overload for support and were able to play simple football around us with ease. It was like they had an extra man the entire game, our work ethic is awful and the narrow, zonal defending simply doesn't work. You can blame individual errors all you want, but when you play this way you invite opportunities for these errors to occur in dangerous areas. Sometimes you do need to just hold your hands up and accept you were outpalyed by better, more expensive players but the very least you can do to mitigate the gap in quality is get in their faces, put them under pressure, force them into quicker decisions and make them uncomfortable. We did the complete opposite of this. We allowed them to execute their gameplan with little resistance. 

 

It's actually annoying that the bit that you have posted above happened again. I posted something very similar around 2 weeks ago:

 

On 22/10/2023 at 15:16, tian447 said:

One thing that has been entirely noticeable with Naismiths tactics is the absolute unwillingness to defend the wings. Our defenders are all in the box, meaning any team can waltz down the wings without ever getting pressured. They then are free to pick out a cross which we are hopeless at defending. It's not until the cross is about to come in that someone finally thinks about pushing out wide, which is far too late. 

 

Brutal watching and nothing is being improved. 

[Rick Sanchez]

28 minutes ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Theres division in board division between dof and manager division in dressing room with players for and against naisy and division amongst fans re board management etc its not great club at moment.

 

This is where I'm at. We'll get the odd win at home but we won't be doing anything of note until we address the problems.

 

6th or 7th IMO.

[The Tackle]

Hearts legend

[karipidis]

Agree with all the points regarding the manner of the defeat.  If you look at the last number of results of the Old Firm in cup semi finals and finals at Hampden, you will see they are almost always given a game (and I include Hearts in this which makes yesterday even worse) - 

 

Scottish Cup 2023 - 

Celtic 3 Inverness 1 - Anges all conquering team given a scare by lowly Inverness

 

League Cup 2022 - 

Celtic 2 Kilmarnock 0 - Celtic score late 2nd after Kilmarnock should have had a pen minutes before

Rangers 2 Aberdeen 1 - After Extra Time

 

Scottish Cup 2022 - 

Ranger 2 Hearts 0 - After Extra Time

 

League Cup 2021 - 

Celtic 1 St Johnstone 0 - late Forrest winner

Rangers 1 Hibs 3 - Boyle Hat Trick

 

Scottish Cup 2020 - 

Celtic 3 Hearts 3 - penalties

 

In all these games the opposition have been in the game right up to the end, at no point yesterday did it feel like that was going to happen and you were just waiting for the inevitable. 

[coatbridgejambo]

47 minutes ago, the posh bit said:

 

I don't think he will see December out but I hope I am wrong. 

He's going nowhere imo.the club have already proved they don't act fast. They will still  think he can turn this around

[tian447]

Steven Naismith made a roughly similar number of appearances (90 according to LondonHearts)for Hearts as the following players:

 

Billy King (97)

Christian Nade (93)

Mark deVries (90)

Kevin McHattie (84)

Jamie Hamill (82)

Adrian Mrowiec (79)

 

One of these is a legend.

 

P.S. it is not Naismith. 

[suds66]

33 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said:

I don't understand why we're singularly incapable of appointing a manager the way every other club in the world can.

Might be something to do with our custodians being completely incompetent.

[soonbe110]

51 minutes ago, Ian Black 8 said:

I said before he was appointed no matter who was brought in certain fans wouldn’t be happy but the fact Naismith’s time hasn’t went to plan so far it’s gone to get highlighted due to his inexperience. Something has got to give somewhere in the club the now you can start to see a divide developing…

Don’t think it’s a divide.  I think fans are just losing interest and if the Club don’t arrest the situation pretty quick it’s a situation that will be hard to fix. The quality of player and football is disappointing I think that’s the main issue. With the euro money rolling in folk were expecting better players than we have signed.  A rookie SD hasn’t been successful. When you add on top that we have rookie manager who is cutting his teeth in what is a pretty tough job then it’s clear to all but a few that the situation is unlikely to get better any time soon.  Unfortunately the people in a position to do something about it don’t seem to realise the mess we are in. There was much more buzz and feelgood around the Club 12 months ago than there is now. We haven’t progressed in a year. 

[Robbo-Jambo]

38 minutes ago, Walter Kidd said:

We are run as a business rather than a football club.  Hence statements like "the footballing department" etc.  We are a team of shitebags.  A management team of inexperience and utter buffoonery.

 

I'm still pissed off that we have not laid a glove on an average Rangers team.  I am still pissed off that our board are inept and wouldn't know a footballer if they slept with one.

 

We are worse than under Neilson, who must be laughing his head off as he picks up his cash from gardening leave.

 

 

Can't really argue with any of that tbh.

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

So far out his depth it's untrue unfortunate 

[hearts00]

6 hours ago, Agentjambo said:

Shouldn’t performances,work ethic and how competitive we were against the old firm not come into consideration??

It should but over the medium term. 
 

Naismith has played 5 matches against the OF. Drew 1, lost 4. He was 2 mins from the 90 and ahead at Ibrox in one of the defeats and started well against Celtic in another before Cochrane got himself sent off. So you can spin it in different ways. 
 

In the short term a Hearts manager is judged in every game they play outside of Rangers and Celtic. 

[feej]

4 hours ago, NextGenerationJambo said:

I've read multiple posters, on multiple threads criticising other hearts fans for expecting us to beat rangers yesterday (or anytime really). That is total conjecture. Not a single hearts fan expected us to beat them yesterday and that includes the 15,000 fans at Hampden. You can include the team and the manager in that as well, to be honest.

 

Everyone knows about the gulf in budget. Everyone knows about how these fixtures historically play out. All any hearts fan was asking for was to go down with a smidgen of fight. Make it difficult for them ffs. If you let a better team play to their strengths they will annihilate you 100 times out of 100. 

 

This thread was originally started to talk about Naismith's managerial "identity". So let's talk about it. 

 

Yesterday we barely stopped a single cross coming into the box from either side, we allowed Tavenier and Barasic, two of the best crossers in the league, 5/10 yards of space every single time out wide. Not only that, but they normally had a man overload for support and were able to play simple football around us with ease. It was like they had an extra man the entire game, our work ethic is awful and the narrow, zonal defending simply doesn't work. You can blame individual errors all you want, but when you play this way you invite opportunities for these errors to occur in dangerous areas. Sometimes you do need to just hold your hands up and accept you were outpalyed by better, more expensive players but the very least you can do to mitigate the gap in quality is get in their faces, put them under pressure, force them into quicker decisions and make them uncomfortable. We did the complete opposite of this. We allowed them to execute their gameplan with little resistance. 

 

When we had the ball at goalkicks we hoofed it to sibbick and continued to do so most of the game, despite him not winning a single header. 

 

We attempted long throw ins near their box despite not really having a long-throw specialist, most of them landed near the front post where there was one hearts player and multiple rangers players, we then had no one sitting at the edge of the box to pick up the second balls and rangers inevitably counter attacked and we were straight on the backfoot AGAIN. 

 

At 2-0 down in a semi-final, we had every man defending in our box at corners and freekicks. No outlet ball. And once again usuing a zonal marking system which led to us not defending the set piece all that comfortably. 

 

Multiple times in the game Butland was able to roll the ball to a Rangers CM who then proceeded to run 30/40 yards unchallenged straight up the middle of the pitch. Nothing to do with them being worth multiple millions of pounds, just sheer negligence, lack of awareness and effort. 

 

The blame is eqaully on the players and the manager, a proffessional footballer should be able to realise when something isn't working and use some initiative to try something new but I am afraid we have assembled a team of frighteningly one-dimensional players, many of whom are incapable of thinking for themselves and adapting as the game goes on. As for our "identity", well it is certainly not the fast paced, attacking, fearless football we were promised.

 

I will reiterate again, because many on here seem to somehow believe otherwise. No hearts fan expects to beat the old firm. No hearts fan expects to make every game against them hard. The reality is if they are on their game, they win. For the love of **** though, could we maybe once in a while, especially at home and in finals, put a few dents in their armour? Show that we aren't just here to take part and roll over and have our bellies tickled. I, and many others that walked out after the second and third goals are sick of it, we support this team impeccably and are given little in return to be proud of. Right now the identity of this team is cowardly, inglorious and apathetic, and I really am struggling to see how Naismith turns it round. 

Well said, it's all about game management and tactics

[Glamorgan Jambo]

The next two games (Motherwell away and at home to Levein's St Johnstone) will be pivotal for Naismith

[jamboozy]

2 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said:

The next two games (Motherwell away and at home to Levein's St Johnstone) will be pivotal for Naismith

It will be telling how the players perform, will they want to save their gaffer’s job ?  will they show any unity and fight as a team ? I certainly hope it’s yes to both these questions.

[Deviskan]

2 hours ago, tian447 said:

Steven Naismith made a roughly similar number of appearances (90 according to LondonHearts)for Hearts as the following players:

 

Billy King (97)

Christian Nade (93)

Mark deVries (90)

Kevin McHattie (84)

Jamie Hamill (82)

Adrian Mrowiec (79)

 

One of these is a legend.

 

P.S. it is not Naismith. 

Personally, I’d say none of that list are Legends.

 

DeVries was by far the most important, but a Legend??? Nope, that name is getting banded about WAY too easily and is slightly disrespectful to players who actually were legends like Robbo.

[Tom Hardy’s Dug]

Here’s our identity under Naismith:

 

[Glamorgan Jambo]

5 minutes ago, jamboozy said:

It will be telling how the players perform, will they want to save their gaffer’s job ?  will they show any unity and fight as a team ? I certainly hope it’s yes to both these questions.

 

100% agreed. One thing that isn't in doubt as they'll have to be up for the fight in both games otherwise we'll lose.

[Agentjambo]

3 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

Here’s our identity under Naismith:

 

Says it all really….

[jamboozy]

1 minute ago, Glamorgan Jambo said:

 

100% agreed. One thing that isn't in doubt as they'll have to be up for the fight in both games otherwise we'll lose.

Yes, the players have to realise, it’s their reputation that is on the line as well.

[Fozzyonthefence]

7 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Says it all really….

Does it?  Probably one of the most pointless stats I’ve seen.  I bet Rangers and Celtic are gutted they’re behind Bonnyrigg, Annan, Montrose, Edinburgh City, etc.  One thing it does kind of show is that we’re not conceding many, although there are easier ways to do that. 

[Agentjambo]

10 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Does it?  Probably one of the most pointless stats I’ve seen.  I bet Rangers and Celtic are gutted they’re behind Bonnyrigg, Annan, Montrose, Edinburgh City, etc.  One thing it does kind of show is that we’re not conceding many, although there are easier ways to do that. 

I’m sure they are…however we are the lowest ranked SPL side.

[Bazzas right boot]

3 hours ago, Ian Black 8 said:

I said before he was appointed no matter who was brought in certain fans wouldn’t be happy but the fact Naismith’s time hasn’t went to plan so far it’s gone to get highlighted due to his inexperience. Something has got to give somewhere in the club the now you can start to see a divide developing…

 

Tbh, They're always be a divide on this sort of matter.

Next manager will have some folk with strangers and others greetin.

Whoever it is.

[jamtartally]

35 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said:

The next two games (Motherwell away and at home to Levein's St Johnstone) will be pivotal for Naismith

Think his next game is pivotal - lose to Motherwell and he is done IMO 

[Andyp1874]

3 hours ago, Hmfc1965 said:

I don't understand why we're singularly incapable of appointing a manager the way every other club in the world can.

Agree with this. Completely shot our selves in the foot 

[Paolo]

7 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

I think inevitably this will be the case. Shame as he is a hearts legend. 

He isn’t anywhere close to being a Hearts legend.  

[Fozzyonthefence]

5 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

I’m sure they are…however we are the lowest ranked SPL side.

Who cares?  Lowest ranked in an utterly pointless ranking!  Still, anything to beat the manager with I suppose.  You realise that if we’d won every single game 2-0 we’d still be the lowest ranked Premiership side?  It tells you the square root of **** all.  How are we doing in the throw ins league table?

[Agentjambo]

3 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Who cares?  Lowest ranked in an utterly pointless ranking!  Still, anything to beat the manager with I suppose.  You realise that if we’d won every single game 2-0 we’d still be the lowest ranked Premiership side?  It tells you the square root of **** all.  How are we doing in the throw ins league table?

Keep clapping 👏 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

3 hours ago, Hmfc1965 said:

I don't understand why we're singularly incapable of appointing a manager the way every other club in the world can.

 

How are we different? I can think of dozens of clubs at our rough size and level that have had similar issues finding a good manager.

 

I think one major issue is I can think of very few clubs where the distance between the floor of what's considered acceptable by the fanbase and the ceiling of what's realistically achievable in a non-exceptional year is so small. We're raging if we don't finish third. The chances of finishing second are slim. And cup wins all have an element of luck in them.

 

Finding someone willing to sit in that space isn't easy.

[GinRummy]

1 hour ago, Led Tasso said:

 

How are we different? I can think of dozens of clubs at our rough size and level that have had similar issues finding a good manager.

 

I think one major issue is I can think of very few clubs where the distance between the floor of what's considered acceptable by the fanbase and the ceiling of what's realistically achievable in a non-exceptional year is so small. We're raging if we don't finish third. The chances of finishing second are slim. And cup wins all have an element of luck in them.

 

Finding someone willing to sit in that space isn't easy.

The two most pertinent clubs being Hibs and Aberdeen. 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

4 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

The two most pertinent clubs being Hibs and Aberdeen. 

Yeah, and they hardly have a glory-drenched manager recruitment record either.

 

I posted this in the other thread, but imagine being a Fleetwood Town fan with this manager history.

 

[briever]

Imagine thinking Joey Barton would a decent manager?

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 hour ago, Agentjambo said:

Keep clapping 👏 

First time I’ve ever been accused of being a happy clapper, that’s for sure!    I just don’t think it’s time to sack SN yet but that point could well be reached in the next couple of months. 
 

As for the Pie & Bovril stat I was replying to I’m interested to hear how it is anything but pointless?  It’s combined goals for and against and doesn’t show the split so not sure how you can make much of it all.  Rangers for example are pretty low down that table because they don’t concede many goals.  We’re even lower because we don’t concede many but don’t score many either.  But some completely pish team bottom of League 2 can be getting tonked 4-0 every week and be top of that table - does that take away from them being the worst team and be some sort of badge of honour?

[hearts00]

2 hours ago, Agentjambo said:

Says it all really….

Does it?

 

That stat is goals scored and conceded. It tells you we are struggling to score but that we have one of the best defensive records in the divisions 

[Hmfc1965]

1 hour ago, Led Tasso said:

 

How are we different? I can think of dozens of clubs at our rough size and level that have had similar issues finding a good manager.

 

I think one major issue is I can think of very few clubs where the distance between the floor of what's considered acceptable by the fanbase and the ceiling of what's realistically achievable in a non-exceptional year is so small. We're raging if we don't finish third. The chances of finishing second are slim. And cup wins all have an element of luck in them.

 

Finding someone willing to sit in that space isn't easy.

The difference is that other clubs look to appoint an experienced manager.

For whatever reason we don't.

[Agentjambo]

1 minute ago, hearts00 said:

Does it?

 

That stat is goals scored and conceded. It tells you we are struggling to score but that we have one of the best defensive records in the divisions 

Well that’s ok then…

[jock _turd]

2 hours ago, Agentjambo said:

I’m sure they are…however we are the lowest ranked SPL side.

The stat table is a laugh if I am reading what is exemplifies at least. The table is for the avaerage goals scored and conceeded per game therfore it could be showing we score 1.91 goal per game and conceed none or we conceed 1.91 goals per game and score none? Hibs are on 3.00 what the f'k does that mean what is the relevance ????? Hibs have only scored 15 goals in 11 league matches! Livingstone  and St Johnstone are above us in the table but have scored less goals than us.

Edited November 6, 2023 by jock _turd

[OTT]

44 minutes ago, Led Tasso said:

Yeah, and they hardly have a glory-drenched manager recruitment record either.

 

I posted this in the other thread, but imagine being a Fleetwood Town fan with this manager history.

 

 

Wouldn't say no to Uwe Rösler TBF Although suspect he's happy at his Danish club. 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

1 hour ago, Hmfc1965 said:

The difference is that other clubs look to appoint an experienced manager.

For whatever reason we don't.

 

Lee Johnson was an experienced manager. Stephen Glass was an experienced manager. Craig Levein is an experienced manager.

 

Daniel Stendel was too, for that matter.

 

Barcelona promoted Pep from their B team directly to their first team. I'm not saying Naisy was Pep but neither are we Barca.

 

As stated above I'm very much on the fence about Naisy at this point. I want to give him time but he's got to put together a run of games where we play with verve and get results.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

34 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Wouldn't say no to Uwe Rösler TBF Although suspect he's happy at his Danish club. 

 

Yeah, there's a few in there that aren't bad. But the number of absolute shitebags and wastrels is astonishing.

[rudi must stay]

His philosophy is the same as everyone's pop the ball in the net. The players don't seem motivated by him and I think the board should act before it gets embarrassing "hopefully" is not a phrase the manager of Hearts should ever say you dont hear Klopp saying I hope we win, he puts plans in place that he believes in