BBC Presenter

[ri Alban]

6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Extending that argument, do you believe that the activities of young adult sex-workers only become morally questionable when they provide their services to clients over a certain age?

The same could be asked about the film industry. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

What is right or wrong matters more. And

That is subjective surely . Luckily for me homosexual acts are legal . However there are still many out there who find it 

“ wrong “ and would welcome it being illegal again . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

26 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said:

No you haven't mate, and as I say, we don't know the details, or even the general framework. Hope you're well.

 

I’m good thanks 🙏 👍Hope u are ? 

Edited July 13, 2023 by JudyJudyJudy

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

No. But the older and richer you are taking advantage of vulnerable young adult sex workers seems to me more reprehensible. Indeed not just the young and vulnerable ones.

It is not the sex workers whose morals I am questioning .

 

Out of interest, how do you feel about adults earning money from being involved in sex work and selling sex-related services (OnlyFans etc.) in general?

 

Should this be allowed and, if so, what sorts of restrictions should be placed on the nature of their clientelle?

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Out of interest, how do you feel about adults earning money from being involved in sex work and selling sex-related services (OnlyFans etc.) in general?

 

Should this be allowed and, if so, what sorts of restrictions should be placed on the nature of their clientelle?

Do you think directors should offer jobs for sex?

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

It kind of does from a societal level, maybe not make it right but certainly not wrong. 
 

Morales, are highly individual. Therefore as a society we live by an ‘kinda’ agreed standard. Which are the laws. He’s broke none and therefore done nothing wrong despite how you may feel about it. 

 

He’s paid the lass 35k to get his rocks off. He’s basically paid for very very expensive porn and not much more. I’m not sure who the victim is. I can’t lie when I’m looking at porn I don’t put an age filter on of half my age +7. Some times ‘teen babysitter’ might take my fancy 😂

 

Anyway hope your good👍 Been in hospitality tent too long today at Open😂

 

 

 

That was some round. 61.  

 

The course looks magic. How was the beer? Good.

[redjambo]

11 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Do you think directors should offer jobs for sex?

 

No, nor any other employer or employment agency. Do you?

[Francis Albert]

30 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Out of interest, how do you feel about adults earning money from being involved in sex work and selling sex-related services (OnlyFans etc.) in general?

 

Should this be allowed and, if so, what sorts of restrictions should be placed on the nature of their clientelle?

No idea what OnlyFans is. I live a sheltered life! 

I have no problem in general with adults making money from sex work as either sellers or buyers. I have concern when  consent may not be even. A rich person and a crack addict for example. I don't think it can be controlled by licencing or legal restrictions. But I think you can have a view about what is right and wrong.

 

 

[Francis Albert]

33 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

That is subjective surely . Luckily for me homosexual acts are legal . However there are still many out there who find it 

“ wrong “ and would welcome it being illegal again . 

Of course it is subjective and I am not saying the law should reflect my view of what is right or wrong.

I think even just from our exchanges on here that you must know that I am not among the many out there you refer to. And the many fortunately are a shrinking minority.

[the posh bit]

2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Of course it is subjective and I am not saying the law should reflect my view of what is right or wrong.

I think even just from our exchanges on here that you must know that I am not among the many out there you refer to. And the many fortunately are a shrinking minority.

 

There's still a lot of intolerance on the forum. You should check out the LGBT thread. 😉

[Francis Albert]

3 minutes ago, the posh bit said:

 

There's still a lot of intolerance on the forum. You should check out the LGBT thread. 😉

Not much of the intolerance on that thread is gay vs straight. It is more about intolerance within the LGBTQIA+ "community".

[redjambo]

22 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

No idea what OnlyFans is. I live a sheltered life! 

I have no problem in general with adults making money from sex work as either sellers or buyers. I have concern when  consent may not be even. A rich person and a crack addict for example. I don't think it can be controlled by licencing or legal restrictions. But I think you can have a view about what is right and wrong.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onlyfans

 

It's a tough one, FA. Once folk are consenting adults, we should really allow them to do what they want sexually, as long as no-one gets hurt in the process or, as you point out, pressured into doing what they don't want to do. It's difficult to legislate/manage for that, but we have to do what we can. For example, in some jurisdictions, laws governing sex between consenting adults, for example age of consent, are applied differently and more stringently if one of the adults has a position of trust or authority in relation to the other person, or if the age difference between the two people exceeds a certain limit. However, I think you're just going to suck it up, if you'll pardon any unintentional pun, that richer people for example are going to be able to use their wealth, if they so wish, to procure sexual services that poorer folk may not be able to obtain.

Edited July 13, 2023 by redjambo

[Costanza]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

One look at that Wooton and every hair on my neck stands up. Not just because I’d like to kick the living shite out him but I knew he had the noncey tendencies. 
It’s ripping out of him. 

Like Huw Edwards,  innocent until proven guilty but unlikely him, Wootton is most definitely a **** in his public life

[JudyJudyJudy]

29 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Of course it is subjective and I am not saying the law should reflect my view of what is right or wrong.

I think even just from our exchanges on here that you must know that I am not among the many out there you refer to. And the many fortunately are a shrinking minority.

No your fine 👍 

[henrysmithsgloves]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

If she is a crack addict how meaningful is her consent?

He's a crack addict £35k for photos 🤣

[Jeffros Furios]

I'd rather see Dan Wotten get ripped apart that this non story .

The right wing media need lined up infront of a  firing squad .

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Just now, Jeffros Furios said:

I'd rather see Dan Wotten get ripped apart that this non story .

The right wing media need lined up infront of a  firing squad .

Wootton looks like he might be about to get it, the fat nonce ****er 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

the Sun getting rinsed 

[Dawnrazor]

4 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said:

Moneys too tight to mention

35 grands missing from your pension... 

Oh very good 👏👏

[FWJ]

Where did the figure of £35k come from.  The Sun mentioned it but did they see any proof?

 

Was all the £35k from Huw Edwards or were there other clients/customers and that’s the total?

 

Was the £35k the total over the three years?

 

There was talk of another person ‘hinting’ they’d drop his name onto social media.

 

Just because he’s older and wealthy doesn’t mean he’s in charge of the situation - as has been made crystal clear.

[The Mighty Thor]

44 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Wootton looks like he might be about to get it, the fat nonce ****er 

That would be a karmic lolathon.

[Nookie Bear]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

The question was What has HE done wrong. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right.

 

Yep. If he was caught smoking pot most of us would shrug our shoulders. 
This is pretty suss and o can’t believe it’s a recent affliction, rather something he has been involved in to some extent t for years. 

[I P Knightley]

On 12/07/2023 at 20:51, SectionDJambo said:

There you go then. Maybe he should now be left alone. He’s almost certainly lost his job, which was the outcome that the family who got the Sun involved wanted. 
 

I'm not sure that was their motivation; as hinted at by the cash offer from Talk TV.

 

The driving motivation behind the story is Murdoch's passionate desire to bring down the BBC, whose leadership is nearly wet enough to let it happen.

 

15 hours ago, Portable Badger said:

Don’t think Huw’s wife will be too happy - he allegedly told her that he didn’t have enough for new curtains 

 

😜

To be fair, that's quite costly cosmetic surgery; especially if you don't want it ending up looking like a badly wrapped kebab.

[Portable Badger]

6 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

I'm not sure that was their motivation; as hinted at by the cash offer from Talk TV.

 

The driving motivation behind the story is Murdoch's passionate desire to bring down the BBC, whose leadership is nearly wet enough to let it happen.

 

To be fair, that's quite costly cosmetic surgery; especially if you don't want it ending up looking like a badly wrapped kebab.

Very good sir 👏

[i wish jj was my dad]

6 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

I'm not sure that was their motivation; as hinted at by the cash offer from Talk TV.

 

The driving motivation behind the story is Murdoch's passionate desire to bring down the BBC, whose leadership is nearly wet enough to let it happen.

 

To be fair, that's quite costly cosmetic surgery; especially if you don't want it ending up looking like a badly wrapped kebab.

I can only speculate about the family's motivation but taking the story to the sun in the first place and then being interviewed on their equally dubious TV channel does make it difficult to believe they were looking for practical support. 

And it is clear as day what Murdoch's motivation is. Anybody who gives him or any of his outlets any oxygen needs to give theirsel a shake. 

Third point 🤣. 

[Spellczech]

13 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

It’s morally very questionable but the point was it wasn’t illegal . As far as we know at the present time. 

The law is meant to be a reflection of morality in order to maintain social cohesion. Having a turning circle like the Titanic and being naturally conservative and permanently out of date makes that difficult. (This is what I took from my legal degree). Doing sexy stuff with minors was fine in th 70s, could get away with it up to the noughties and has become "very wrong" only in the last 5-10 years. Will take the law about 50 years to catch up from where we are now...

 

Anyone like to appeal this?

Edited July 14, 2023 by Spellczech

[JudyJudyJudy]

56 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

The law is meant to be a reflection of morality in order to maintain social cohesion. Having a turning circle like the Titanic and being naturally conservative and permanently out of date makes that difficult. (This is what I took from my legal degree). Doing sexy stuff with minors was fine in th 70s, could get away with it up to the noughties and has become "very wrong" only in the last 5-10 years. Will take the law about 50 years to catch up from where we are now...

 

Anyone like to appeal this?

I recently finished “ black mirror “ which looks at how the world may change in the future , in particular in the relationships . I got me thinking that In the future we will have ti

literally sign written agreements before we agree to sex with another person . I honestly believe that . 

[Gundermann]

12 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

 

It was the Sun as it was their story. It’s the ****ing Sun. I think the last thing they care about is proof or truth. 
 

Proof or truth isn’t important on this, it’s a totally manufactured so that people can speculate. 

 

 

According to the Sun yes. 
 

No other clients were mentioned but it’s pretty clear she was only fans type person. I would imagine she has loads of other customers who have paid her. OF models can get paid ridiculous sums for their skill set. 

One of reasons I assume she was so strong in her denial she was concerned about her other clients. 

 

 

According to the Sun, yes. 
 

I think the facts he’s spunked 35k on his computer screen pisses a lot of people off. That’s more than a lot of people earn in a year and people will find that an obscene amount of money. To a OF model and a top paid presenter not so much 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

 

The worst they seem to have is he has a OF account and may have sent a text that could be construed as ‘flirtatious’ 

 

Your correct. You want to tell us about how much you spunked on OF 🤣

This is a ‘safe’ space.

 

(For avoidance of doubt the Sun are about as trustworthy as Boris Johnson, however, it’s their version of event we are talking about as they told the story. Obviously these facts have been disputed by the parties ‘allegedly’ involved as complete garbage but speculation is much more fun than the truth or proof) 

 

This.

 

As if the Sun hasn't got enough in its own house to get in order. Latest is that it turned a blind eye to Dan Wooton's bullying and alleged filming of men having sex.

https://democracyunlocked.co.uk/sex-scandal-dan-wootton-latest-presenter-to-face-allegations/?fbclid=IwAR2WeB79ZeWOv_XLCqH8RfVr3CzuZPxfZQkIPE52ZVj96wQkrVerDxzkQwk

[JudyJudyJudy]

Excellent article 

 

 

 

[Nookie Bear]

16 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I don't really have an opinion,  other than it's wrong for an old married man to do this sort of thing. but it's two adults,  so. 

What I'm saying is,  if it were mine, then I'd have an opinion. A very strong opinion. 

 

And if i, as an old married man with kids, did this i very much doubt my wife would be on the doorstep protecting me.

 

That's weird in itself.

[Nookie Bear]

1 hour ago, Gundermann said:

 

This.

 

As if the Sun hasn't got enough in its own house to get in order. Latest is that it turned a blind eye to Dan Wooton's bullying and alleged filming of men having sex.

https://democracyunlocked.co.uk/sex-scandal-dan-wootton-latest-presenter-to-face-allegations/?fbclid=IwAR2WeB79ZeWOv_XLCqH8RfVr3CzuZPxfZQkIPE52ZVj96wQkrVerDxzkQwk

 

Does Dan Wooton sell as many papers as Edwards though? It's a story to sell, not a moral crusade.

[ri Alban]

3 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I recently finished “ black mirror “ which looks at how the world may change in the future , in particular in the relationships . I got me thinking that In the future we will have ti

literally sign written agreements before we agree to sex with another person . I honestly believe that . 

I've heard about black mirror,  any good?

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Does Dan Wooton sell as many papers as Edwards though? It's a story to sell, not a moral crusade.

Just a deflection from Gideon and Boris.

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

And if i, as an old married man with kids, did this i very much doubt my wife would be on the doorstep protecting me.

 

That's weird in itself.

Very. Money to protect. 

 

If she knows what he's been up to, it's a very strange situation. 

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Excellent article 

 

 

 

Do know anything about it. But it's plainly wrong. 

 

But Effie Deans is last person I'd listen to. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

I've heard about black mirror,  any good?

Brilliant . Very thought provoking but also very entertaining . Most episodes are of a high quality 

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Brilliant . Very thought provoking but also very entertaining . Most episodes are of a high quality 

👍

[XB52]

25 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Do know anything about it. But it's plainly wrong. 

 

But Effie Deans is last person I'd listen to. 

Can't stand that guy but what is the story? Last time I checked it was OK to have sex with a 17 year old.

[Unknown user]

50 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

I've heard about black mirror,  any good?

 

Meh, think tales of the unexpected and you're not far off

[SE16 3LN]

47 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Do know anything about it. But it's plainly wrong. 

 

But Effie Deans is last person I'd listen to. 

So morality is based on who delivers the message? 😀

[Ulysses]

3 hours ago, XB52 said:

Can't stand that guy but what is the story? Last time I checked it was OK to have sex with a 17 year old.

 

The article isn't about the MP having sex with a 17-year old (or "getting it on" or whatever he did exactly).  The article is about British obsession with sex scandals in a society in which most sexual activities are no longer taboo or forbidden.  The MP doesn't appear in what Deans wrote  (AFAIK), but presumably he's in the tweet as clickbait.  Even the tweet is wildly off the mark, because the MP was the subject of a lot of news coverage at the time, and because he was judged afterwards.  After the scandal broke, his constituents got four opportunities to dump him in 2010, 2015, 2017 and 2019.  They voted him back in each time.

 

The kindest thing I can say about MacNeil is that his constituents let him off the hook, but I wouldn't have.

 

The kindest thing I can say about Deans is that if her stuff ever appears in print rather than online, it'd be helpful if the paper it's printed on is nice and soft.

[redjambo]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

I've heard about black mirror,  any good?

 

Like many series, it took a while to get going, reached a peak (series 2,3 and 4, imo, along with the White Christmas special) and has since gone into decline. Series 5 and 6 were very much meh for me.

[Gundermann]

Shop in Wales has banned the Sun over its treatment of Huw Edwards.

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-shop-stops-selling-sun-27323845

[the posh bit]

5 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

Like many series, it took a while to get going, reached a peak (series 2,3 and 4, imo, along with the White Christmas special) and has since gone into decline. Series 5 and 6 were very much meh for me.

 

White Bear, Smithereens and the one with Sheridan Smith were very good, most of the rest are OK. 

[SectionG]

I’m confused how sending a dick pic gives you a crack problem. Also confused as to why anyone would pay £35k for pics, with all the other options out there now.

[Wee Mikey]

12 hours ago, redjambo said:

Like many series, it took a while to get going, reached a peak (series 2,3 and 4, imo, along with the White Christmas special) and has since gone into decline. Series 5 and 6 were very much meh for me.

 

As per 'Inside Number 9', some episodes are really intriguing, whilst others are nicht so gut ...

 

Most long-running series are like that ... sooner or later.

[Carter]

On 13/07/2023 at 18:27, jack D and coke said:

One look at that Wooton and every hair on my neck stands up. Not just because I’d like to kick the living shite out him but I knew he had the noncey tendencies. 
It’s ripping out of him. 

FFS man

 

[XB52]

10 hours ago, Gundermann said:

Shop in Wales has banned the Sun over its treatment of Huw Edwards.

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-shop-stops-selling-sun-27323845

Wish more would do this

[Ked]

On 14/07/2023 at 13:36, JudyJudyJudy said:

Brilliant . Very thought provoking but also very entertaining . Most episodes are of a high quality 

I've enjoyed them but I'm stuck on the space one.

I found it uncomfortable to watch for some reason.