redjambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, JayTeeJnr said: Dreadful - ref made the right on field decision but Collum decides it’s an obvious error. Nobody playing thought it was anything other than a yellow Pressured the ref, who didn't have the testicular fortitude to push back, into changing his decision. As clear as day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said: Indeed refuse to accept Walsh or Colum again I'd take that. Adamant the club needs to say something. Every ****ing top flight referee bar Gavin Duncan is from the West. Its not an accident. The promotion process of referees in Scotland is biased towards those from the west. Its irrefutable. The club, has an obligation to the fans that season after season dig deep with the FOH, season tickets, shirts, following the team up and down the country, to call this out and ask the question on why referees are only promoted from the west coast. Both Aberdeen and Hibs have been screwed too, so make a joint statement. Just do something to show the fans that they actually do recognise how wrong the set up is and will robustly challenge what is a pretty clear and obvious bias from our governing authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: FFS they even PLAN the remaining fixtures around the two of them! You really don’t think it’s beyond them? Their incompitance is beyond bounds, but I really don't think they would go as far as instruct officials to influence the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, part_time_jambo said: Their incompitance is beyond bounds, but I really don't think they would go as far as instruct officials to influence the game. Yup. They don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Hearts should refuse to play under the refereeship of Wullie. I hope he enjoys his Creme de Menthe with his chips tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4nny_ Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) Anyone know an N. Walsh? Green and white envelope found outside the changing rooms signed PL. Edited May 7, 2023 by D4nny_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 In the Newcastle Arsenal game they just had the best experience of VAR being used properly without corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, Morgan said: Hearts should refuse to play under the refereeship of Wullie. I hope he enjoys his Creme de Menthe with his chips tonight. I'd support that. I don't know what Creme de menthe is, but I hope someone green'ers in his ****ing chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: Their incompitance is beyond bounds, but I really don't think they would go as far as instruct officials to influence the game. I think you’re being very naive. Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, OTT said: I'd support that. I don't know what Creme de menthe is, but I hope someone green'ers in his ****ing chips. You don't want to. 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: Their incompitance is beyond bounds, but I really don't think they would go as far as instruct officials to influence the game. You have to be kidding. How much ****ing evidence required over the years. Bent corrupt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I know there's no point in moaning about that decision but the referees should get their sh*t together. It can't be a clear and obvious mistake by ref if it takes 3/4 mins to decide it was a clear and obvious mistake. Collum should never have got involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I want to know what constitutes a clear goal scoring opportunity. He was fouled around 25 yards out ffs. He's got plenty to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Welcome to Scottish football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, Dennis Reynolds said: I want to know what constitutes a clear goal scoring opportunity. He was fouled around 25 yards out ffs. He's got plenty to do. For celtic or everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, OTT said: I'd support that. I don't know what Creme de menthe is, but I hope someone green'ers in his ****ing chips. It’s a sweet, mint flavoured alcoholic drink. Green in colour. I prefer your suggestion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Hope they get a medal to the horrible little corrupt *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, redjambo said: You don't want to. 🤮 Fair comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: Their incompitance is beyond bounds, but I really don't think they would go as far as instruct officials to influence the game. Well, I think they would. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Even Pat Bonner said that he shouldn’t have been sent off ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andythejambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: Do you seriously believe that the SPFL authorities would instruct the officials prior to the game to rig it? "Right lads. If Celtic don't look like winning, make sure you send off a On 03/11/2022 at 16:23, Polonia Gorgie said: I'd like us to bring on Pollock for either Henderson or Smith, I'd like the boy to get a run out, Maybe bring Clark on too Hearts player or give Celtic a penalty." Don't think so. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corstorphine Jambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 The way that game was going it was looking likely Celtic might win the league at Ibrox. Then the collective weight of the SFA sorts it out - corrupt as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I actually hoped VAR might even up the games a bit and hoped we'd see an end of these "bizarre" decisions against one of the arse cheeks at the business end of the season. How foolish of me, they dont even care that the cameras are in and the games being televised any more. Same Shite, different season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 26 minutes ago, Buster HMFC said: Really both as culpable. yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Walsh bottled it ,did as he was told by gollum. Also hiw quick was gollam with the var check on the offside goal just after . That was blatant cheating . We should be able to see what the refs watch on our stadium screens sane time as the refs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, part_time_jambo said: Their incompitance is beyond bounds, but I really don't think they would go as far as instruct officials to influence the game. If Hearts are on top…. And Celtic, potentially, going to Ibrox the following week where they could seal the title? I think we’ll agree to disagree. I think that’s exactly what they’re capable of. Plenty of accounts on here about a Hearts supporting referee being instructed (prior to the game) NOT to give us a penalty on the final day of the season in ‘86. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: You have to be kidding. How much ****ing evidence required over the years. Bent corrupt Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Willie Collum forced that decision. He's Nick Walsh superior and Walsh has been pushed into giving that red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayTeeJnr Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, redjambo said: Pressured the ref, who didn't have the testicular fortitude to push back, into changing his decision. As clear as day. Absolutely. You can understand decisions being overturned if the officials have missed a clear foul or handball, but that was a difference in opinion on an incident they all saw. Essentially Collum deeming his opinion better than the ref and linesman on that side. Referees almost always defer to the people in VAR which is not how it should be if they believe they got it right first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Can't even be bothered to complain about it tbh, the game is a bogey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I hate, absolutely feckin HATE, Scottish Football. The other clubs, despite being cheated collectively, will not challenge this farce as one. It's always just one club at a time, in the hours/days after being conned, who make a fuss. I've never known another club step forward and back a club. It's long overdue but won't be done and that's that. I want to Hearts to leave. I would gladly have us join the EFL at as high a level as possible and take our chances. It can't be worse than what we have now. Sick of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, SomethingAboutObua said: Coward referee backed up by VAR. Amazing VAR didn't look at anything else except to make sure they couldn't find a way to let the offside goal count I'll await to see re-plays ... but ... their 2nd looked offside to me. Wishful thinking? Aye, maybe ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_HMFC Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, kila said: Horrendous decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Utterly wild to involve VAR for that, the referee had dealt with it perfectly fine. As bad as these guys can be, when even their good decisions are being interfered with and reviewed then the game’s up. Collum is notorious for wading in and getting involved in incidents that don’t warrant red cards. He has that streak in him and has done it all his career. I assume Hearts will appeal, but it doesn’t bring the game back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Michael Stewart, Andy Walker and Chris Sutton all disagreeing with the sending off. Disgusting corrupt SFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshedjambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Interesting article in the Scotsman from January after St Johnstone vs Rangers Game where the discuss Collum and Walsh decision making during that game. Walsh was VAR official Collum was ref. Past history with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, DG_HMFC said: Horrendous decision. I'd say its debatable whether its even a foul. The Celtic player cleverly cuts inside and clips Cochrane. Also, Cochrane doesn't break stride and doesn't make any move to trip him up. A free kick without the Maroon specs on possibly. A Yellow, not for me. The Red was truly baffling and instigated quite clearly by Collum. He alone ruined a cracking spectacle and drove another nail into the coffin of the Scottish game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshedjambo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, Cowshedjambo said: Interesting article in the Scotsman from January after St Johnstone vs Rangers Game where the discuss Collum and Walsh decision making during that game. Walsh was VAR official Collum was ref. Past history with them. 2 minutes ago, Cowshedjambo said: Interesting article in the Scotsman from January after St Johnstone vs Rangers Game where the discuss Collum and Walsh decision making during that game. Walsh was VAR official Collum was ref. Past history with them. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rangers-reaction-bizarre-willie-collum-rangersceltic-stat-49-penalties-for-none-against-super-surface-4005480 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghell51 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Collum corrupt bitter wee man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Thought a booking was sufficient at the game and fully expected to come home and watch the incident and have to put my hands up and say I was wrong but bloody hell, that's never a red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazajmbo Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 The moment I found out Nick Walsh was gonna be todays ref. I immediately knew he would be more on Celtics side. Ange has referred almost weekly about the first game VAR was involved. Nick Walsh didn't award celtic a penalty for Michael Smiths handball that day. Willie Collum on VAR. Quite obviously to ensure Celtic didn't miss out again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtkb Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 If that's a Red football up here is goosed. The player ran across cochrane clever play foul at best yellow possibly but Red card how is that a goal scoring opertunity. We need appeal and ask for review why it was deemed a Red from official who has form for his celtic leanings in the past. Celtic have 5 times our budget surely they do not need the GFA to help them. If any rangers fans tuning in suck it up your weegie associates are helping your rivals to maybe more than ten in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I’d be very interested to know how many red cards have been issued to Hearts players under Collums influence in matches vs Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: I'd say its debatable whether its even a foul. The Celtic player cleverly cuts inside and clips Cochrane. Also, Cochrane doesn't break stride and doesn't make any move to trip him up. A free kick without the Maroon specs on possibly. A Yellow, not for me. The Red was truly baffling and instigated quite clearly by Collum. He alone ruined a cracking spectacle and drove another nail into the coffin of the Scottish game. Apart from anything else, wasn't our player (#15, Rowles) covering? Hence, another reason for it being no way a clear goal-scoring opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, liam11 said: Utterly wild to involve VAR for that, the referee had dealt with it perfectly fine. As bad as these guys can be, when even their good decisions are being interfered with and reviewed then the game’s up. Collum is notorious for wading in and getting involved in incidents that don’t warrant red cards. He has that streak in him and has done it all his career. I assume Hearts will appeal, but it doesn’t bring the game back. The big point in all this is there is no way on earth Collum would have got himself involved if it was a Celtic Rangers game because the incident just wasn't clear cut enough. It's OK to get involved otherwise though, that's what really annoys the rest of Scottish football and why we are always looked on as a joke league. A great game of football totally ruined bt a self import wee nyaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said: Apart from anything else, wasn't our player (#15, Rowles) covering? Hence, another reason for it being no way a clear goal-scoring opportunity? Rowles is just behind the incident and would have got a challenge in therefore never a Red. Everyone knows that though, including the officials ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, ramrod said: The big point in all this is there is no way on earth Collum would have got himself involved if it was a Celtic Rangers game because the incident just wasn't clear cut enough. It's OK to get involved otherwise though, that's what really annoys the rest of Scottish football and why we are always looked on as a joke league. A great game of football totally ruined bt a self import wee nyaff. Thing is, it wouldn’t even need to be a Celtic Rangers game. If that had been at the other end today, it would have been a booking and a free kick, nothing else. VAR would not have even been mentioned and nobody would have said a thing about it from that point on. They created this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Fair play to Father Collum, I didn’t think he could top not giving a Hearts goal that was a yard over the line and letting his team go up to the pitch to score. However the crafty devil managed it in a game he wasn’t even refereeing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, dazajmbo said: The moment I found out Nick Walsh was gonna be todays ref. I immediately knew he would be more on Celtics side. Ange has referred almost weekly about the first game VAR was involved. Nick Walsh didn't award celtic a penalty for Michael Smiths handball that day. Willie Collum on VAR. Quite obviously to ensure Celtic didn't miss out again. So we get two league games against Celtic at home and get the same ref. Then we get Rangers at home and the ref is Rangers fan Beaton. They don’t even try to hide their bias. BTW they should have had four yellows in the second half when we were on the attack and they committed professional fouls to break up our play and they got zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Indefensible decision that ruined the game. Absolute shocker. Never in a million years would a Celtic player have seen red in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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