Nicola bulley. Where the hell has she gone?

[Dawnrazor]

46 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

No it's not. It's only tidal from the weir onwards. You're on a roll today, Vlad.

When the tide is out the water below the weir is very shallow.

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

When the tide is out the water below the weir is very shallow.

 

I don't think she went into the water, but if she did and somehow managed to get over the weir (given that the river wasn't known to be in spate or particularly voluminous or fast-flowing at the time), do you know what the state of the tide was around the time she would have reached it?

[Lone Striker]

As others have said, we can only wonder what the police mean by "specific vulnerabilities".   If they mean personality traits which make her "vulnerable"  (e.g. too trusting), then you have to ask why they still cling to the "no 3rd party involvement" theory.     If its a physical thing (e.g. balance or sudden health difficulties), then you have to ask why her partner lets her do these riverside walks on her own.

 

 

 

 

 

[Dawnrazor]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I don't think she went into the water, but if she did and somehow managed to get over the weir (given that the river wasn't known to be in spate or particularly voluminous or fast-flowing at the time), do you know what the state of the tide was around the time she would have reached it?

I don't but if the time when she was estimated to go in it would be easily checked I'd think, we've had virtually no rain from before she went missing, all the rivers in the Lune / Ribble / Wyre catchment area are all low. 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

I don't but if the time when she was estimated to go in it would be easily checked I'd think, we've had virtually no rain from before she went missing, all the rivers in the Lune / Ribble / Wyre catchment area are all low. 

 

Yup. Going in the water really does look unlikely. It would have taken an extraordinary, or at least highly unusual, set of circumstances for her body to have made it over that weir and out to sea. Imo, of course.

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Yup. Going in the water really does look unlikely. It would have taken an extraordinary, or at least highly unusual, set of circumstances for her body to have made it over that weir and out to sea. Imo, of course.

I agree.

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, Lone Striker said:

As others have said, we can only wonder what the police mean by "specific vulnerabilities".   If they mean personality traits which make her "vulnerable"  (e.g. too trusting), then you have to ask why they still cling to the "no 3rd party involvement" theory.     If its a physical thing (e.g. balance or sudden health difficulties), then you have to ask why her partner lets her do these riverside walks on her own.

 

 

 

 

 

"They" don't. The chief investigating officer made that abundantly clear on 5Live today. It was a statement related to a specific moment in time in the investigation. They have not focused purely on this and never did. In the meantime they are struggling to deal with the volume of information coming in - quite a bit of it is malicious / false. 

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Hopeful we can soon get another 20 minute breakdown of all the different services involved, it’s what everyone wants and needs.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

10 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

"They" don't. The chief investigating officer made that abundantly clear on 5Live today. It was a statement related to a specific moment in time in the investigation. They have not focused purely on this and never did. In the meantime they are struggling to deal with the volume of information coming in - quite a bit of it is malicious / false. 

That doesn’t really make a lot of sense though. Isn’t it basically saying that she’s vulnerable because she’s gone missing which like most of this investigation seems to be meaningless 

[Day@theraces]

I take the vulnerable comment imo as either, mental health issues, suicidal thoughts or maybe a diagnosed medical condition such as epilepsy. Looking at online threads I get the honest impression that these "sleuths" are hoping it's some kind of grisly abduction murder. Too many keyboard detectives panning the police as If they should be privy to every bit of information of the case. Not surprising to be fair with this current entitled generation 

[kila]

If they thought she was missing because of a mental breakdown, why aren't they pleading for her to return home? Or are they? I haven't really watched any interviews, just read snippets.

 

[Hungry hippo]

13 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

That doesn’t really make a lot of sense though. Isn’t it basically saying that she’s vulnerable because she’s gone missing which like most of this investigation seems to be meaningless 

 

No, they were definitely saying she was identified as being vulnerable so they were treating it as a high priority missing person from the start.

[Tommy Brown]

Anyone care to recap for me.

 

I may be wrong, please correct me if so.

 

1. Phone left on a bench.

2. Dog left behind a gate towards the river.

3. She had been on a works Teams meeting shortly before.

 

Was there any sightings of her on the dog walk? 

[Hungry hippo]

2 minutes ago, kila said:

If they thought she was missing because of a mental breakdown, why aren't they pleading for her to return home? Or are they? I haven't really watched any interviews, just read snippets.

 

 

That wasn't what they were saying. It sounds like for missing person cases they have some criteria to assess if the level of concern. This person ticked the boxes so they were to treat it as high priority.m with higher resources deployed.

[Don Dan]

Nicola Bulley: Police say missing mum had alcohol issues and struggled with menopause before disappearance

[Victorian]

The quick clarification is probably because they're learning that non-specific information merely fuels another round of misinformation.  

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

37 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

No, they were definitely saying she was identified as being vulnerable so they were treating it as a high priority missing person from the start.

Any danger of an arse-from-elbow specialist turning up to help? Or failing that, Stevie Wonder?

[Dazo]

Sounds like the husband has chucked her under a bus. 

[redjambo]

Just now, Dazo said:

Sounds like the husband has chucked her under a bus. 

 

How did he manage to get her from the field and on to the road without the dog following, and wouldn't the bus driver have noticed?

[Dazo]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

How did he manage to get her from the field and on to the road without the dog following, and wouldn't the bus driver have noticed?

He was in on it too. 

[redjambo]

5 minutes ago, Dazo said:

He was in on it too. 

 

Most likely theory yet.

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

That doesn’t really make a lot of sense though. Isn’t it basically saying that she’s vulnerable because she’s gone missing which like most of this investigation seems to be meaningless 

It makes perfect sense if you'd spend two minutes thinking about it. Unlike "she's vulnerable because she's gone missing". You should be disgusted at your final comment. Another armchair know it all. 

[Footballfirst]

From the Guardian

 

In a statement on Wednesday evening, police expanded this to explain they had attended her home a week before she went missing after a report of “concern for welfare”.

[Masonic]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Guardian

 

In a statement on Wednesday evening, police expanded this to explain they had attended her home a week before she went missing after a report of “concern for welfare”.

 

iv been away from the computer since last night going to look into the new developments cheers for info

 

[Hungry hippo]

3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Guardian

 

In a statement on Wednesday evening, police expanded this to explain they had attended her home a week before she went missing after a report of “concern for welfare”.

 

That is very significant and explains a lot about the police's approach given there's no trace of her leaving the area.

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Guardian

 

In a statement on Wednesday evening, police expanded this to explain they had attended her home a week before she went missing after a report of “concern for welfare”.

 

Well now we know (probably, since the above statement is ambiguous) why the police were so adamant from the start that she had gone into the water, and it wasn't because they thought she had slipped.

[WorldChampions1902]

5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

From the Guardian

 

In a statement on Wednesday evening, police expanded this to explain they had attended her home a week before she went missing after a report of “concern for welfare”.

How very worrying and sad. It was already looking bleak for the family and this revelation is deeply distressing.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

2 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

That is very significant and explains a lot about the police's approach given there's no trace of her leaving the area.

 

Indeed it does, after today's police presser I had wondered if she had either went missing previously or had had some contact with the police.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

Sounds like she's on the peeve.

[Irufushi]

30 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Sounds like she's on the peeve.

A proper bender. We’ve all done it. 

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

"They" don't. The chief investigating officer made that abundantly clear on 5Live today. It was a statement related to a specific moment in time in the investigation. They have not focused purely on this and never did. In the meantime they are struggling to deal with the volume of information coming in - quite a bit of it is malicious / false. 

 

Today seemed to be about trying to calm all that down. 

[Tommy Brown]

5 minutes ago, Irufushi said:

A proper bender. We’ve all done it. 

She's jumped on a train to King's Cross, roughing it out with all the other jakeys.

Selling her crack for a 2l bottle of cider.

Sad how some end up.

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

1 hour ago, periodictabledancer said:

It makes perfect sense if you'd spend two minutes thinking about it. Unlike "she's vulnerable because she's gone missing". You should be disgusted at your final comment. Another armchair know it all. 

Keystone Kops having a mare

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said:

She's jumped on a train to King's Cross, roughing it out with all the other jakeys.

Selling her crack for a 2l bottle of cider.

Sad how some end up.

Kings Cross you say🤔

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Imaman said:

Nicola Bulley: Police say missing mum had alcohol issues and struggled with menopause before disappearance

What a horrible breach of her privacy it is for the authorities to make that public. 

[Herbert.]

1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said:

She's jumped on a train to King's Cross, roughing it out with all the other jakeys.

Selling her crack for a 2l bottle of cider.

Sad how some end up.

 

Sounds awright to me.

[Lone Striker]

21 minutes ago, Jonkel Hoon said:

What a horrible breach of her privacy it is for the authorities to make that public. 

Aye... just thinking the same. Maybe her partner okay'ed it first.    The statement seems to suggest she's mentally unstable thanks to a drink problem - and that the police had reason to be involved in her welfare recently.

 

Very sad.  In light of that though, its intriguing why her partner is 100% sure she didn't go into the river - and it  seems even more odd now why he allowed her to walk alone if she's got alcohol problems.

[WorldChampions1902]

Just now, Lone Striker said:

Aye... just thinking the same. Maybe her partner okay'ed it first.    The statement seems to suggest she's mentally unstable thanks to a drink problem - and that the police had reason to be involved in her welfare recently.

 

Very sad.  In light of that though, its intriguing why her partner is 100% sure she didn't go into the river - and it  seems even more odd now why he allowed her to walk alone if she's got alcohol problems.

And even more odd, that he thinks the answer is “in the village”. Implying somebody local is involved in her disappearance. Curiouser and curiouser.

[Dazo]

37 minutes ago, Jonkel Hoon said:

What a horrible breach of her privacy it is for the authorities to make that public. 

Agree but think it shows the pressure they are feeling over their handling of this. I still find it baffling that someone could drown themselves without being noticed is such a fairly calm stretch of water. 

[Day@theraces]

1 hour ago, Jonkel Hoon said:

What a horrible breach of her privacy it is for the authorities to make that public. 

It is, but with online detectives harassing the caravan park owner and people from all over turning up to the village for tiktok clout, plus throw in the amount of calls coming in from online Colombo's with there theories. They probably felt forced to. Ideally they should probably have came out with her being vulnerable to begin with, but between announcing that and then the subsequent announcement about issues with alcohol and the welfare call out on January 10, the internet was rife with suspicions and theories to what vulnerable meant such as being abused by her partner. The police are stick between a rock and a hard place, but after hearing this information it is no wonder they keyed in on the river route

[Sleepy head]

54 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Aye... just thinking the same. Maybe her partner okay'ed it first.    The statement seems to suggest she's mentally unstable thanks to a drink problem - and that the police had reason to be involved in her welfare recently.

 

Very sad.  In light of that though, its intriguing why her partner is 100% sure she didn't go into the river - and it  seems even more odd now why he allowed her to walk alone if she's got alcohol problems.

Or drive with the children to school.

[WorldChampions1902]

3 minutes ago, Sleepy head said:

Or drive with the children to school.

I clocked that too. Would the partner let her do such a thing? Of course, that doesn’t mean to say she was driving whilst under the influence at the time she disappeared. If the water is a blind alley, has she wandered off into a quiet spot somewhere? That is starting to look like a possibility.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Irufushi said:

A proper bender. We’ve all done it. 

 

 

[¼½¾]

2 hours ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

I clocked that too. Would the partner let her do such a thing? Of course, that doesn’t mean to say she was driving whilst under the influence at the time she disappeared. If the water is a blind alley, has she wandered off into a quiet spot somewhere? That is starting to look like a possibility.

That's what I'm thinking now. Probably be found in a wooded area. 

[Cade]

> Polis make a huge deal about this one missing person
> National media jump all over it
> Polis give no facts
> Public start making up their own batshit crazy conspiracy theories in place of police information, amateur sleuths crawl all over the area, make a mess of the investigation, threaten innocent people, break into property and generally act like dicks
> Polis forced to provide facts to try to calm things down

 

 Police and media to blame for this descending into a farce. 

Why the feck could they not say at the start "this woman was known to have mental health and alcohol abuse problems and had been the subject of a welfare check a few weeks before disappearing"

Why all the secrecy?

[FWJ]

It shouldn’t really be anybody’s business (other than her family’s) if she’d turned to drink.

I think the police have been forced to reveal personal information because of the c**p the great British public are coming up with.

[theshed]

10 hours ago, Jonkel Hoon said:

What a horrible breach of her privacy it is for the authorities to make that public. 

Well as everyone had the husband down as dodgy, doesn’t look right, creepy, no remorse and a cold blooded killer you can’t blame him if he’s said ok to this being made public 

 

Loads on this thread alone got him putting her under the patio for starters 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, theshed said:

Well as everyone had the husband down as dodgy, doesn’t look right, creepy, no remorse and a cold blooded killer you can’t blame him if he’s said ok to this being made public 

 

Loads on this thread alone got him putting her under the patio for starters 

It does take the heat of him and the police, but shaming a vulnerable missing person as a menopausal alky just doesn't sit right.

Edited February 16, 2023 by Jonkel Hoon

[Dazo]

45 minutes ago, theshed said:

Well as everyone had the husband down as dodgy, doesn’t look right, creepy, no remorse and a cold blooded killer you can’t blame him if he’s said ok to this being made public 

 

Loads on this thread alone got him putting her under the patio for starters 

I think it reflects even worse on the husband if he gave the go ahead for this information to be made public. Disappointing the police also never out there big boy pants on and dealt with any criticism without the need to shame the poor woman. 

[Der Kaiser]

So many folk on here will look very silly when they realise she's just still trying to reverse park in the street around from her house....