Thunder and Lightning Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Sorry I’ve written off our game against Celtic based on hard football facts. I would love to be wrong! Maybe the players do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, damo said: Hibs having a go tomorrow night will play right into Rangers hands. Could see Rangers easily scoring 3 or 4. Then we need to aim to be the club that give them these defeats. Not meekly accept another pumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, Thomaso said: The fact is that unlike us Hibs up their game against Rangers. It would not surprise me in the least if they win tomorrow! I’m sorry but this is a myth hibs have lost 4 drew 1 of last 5 against sevco Hibs have lost 4 drew 1 against Celtic Our record is worse with 0 points in the last ten bit 2 draws out of 10 is hardly being ‘up for it’ especially when they’ve not beat us in ten games so 1 win against them immediately cancels out their two hard fought draws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 31 minutes ago, damo said: Hibs having a go tomorrow night will play right into Rangers hands. Could see Rangers easily scoring 3 or 4. Let’s hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, NaturalOrder74 said: I’m sorry but this is a myth hibs have lost 4 drew 1 of last 5 against sevco Hibs have lost 4 drew 1 against Celtic Our record is worse with 0 points in the last ten bit 2 draws out of 10 is hardly being ‘up for it’ especially when they’ve not beat us in ten games so 1 win against them immediately cancels out their two hard fought draws I said “Hibs up their game” against Rangers ie they usually give them a game, unlike us where we invariably go down without laying a hand on them. Again as I said I think they’ll give Rangers a hard game tomorrow and it won’t surprise me if they get something. Not sure what Derby results have in relation to games against the OF. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: I’m sorry but this is a myth hibs have lost 4 drew 1 of last 5 against sevco Hibs have lost 4 drew 1 against Celtic Our record is worse with 0 points in the last ten bit 2 draws out of 10 is hardly being ‘up for it’ especially when they’ve not beat us in ten games so 1 win against them immediately cancels out their two hard fought draws Worth pointing out their point against Rangers was against 9 men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Just now, Thomaso said: I said “Hibs up their game” against Rangers ie they usually give them a game, unlike us where we invariably go down without laying a hand on them. Again as I said I think they’ll give Rangers a hard game tomorrow and it won’t surprise me if they get something. Not sure what Derby results have in relation to games against the OF. 🤷♂️ I just think it’s healthy for perspective would you trade our derby record for their two draws against old firm ? Our record is abysmal and needs to improve 100% but I don’t think hibs is exactly a benchmark to compare too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboy11 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said: I’m sorry but this is a myth hibs have lost 4 drew 1 of last 5 against sevco Hibs have lost 4 drew 1 against Celtic Our record is worse with 0 points in the last ten bit 2 draws out of 10 is hardly being ‘up for it’ especially when they’ve not beat us in ten games so 1 win against them immediately cancels out their two hard fought draws Also bear in mind that 1 draw they got against Rangers was against 9 men and I think it was a last minute equaliser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Thunder and Lightning said: It really does highlight how much our poor form away from home costs us. We need to sort it out. Stop sitting back and playing into a game. We need to actually put in a shift away from home. We were good right from the start in Perth and dominated from the start. I agree with you though we are the worst team for what looks like trying to settle into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayside Jambo Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said: And if they sneak a result tonight while we lose and the gap goes to 2? Reality is it could go either way. I'll feel a lot better if they take 0 and we take 3 from the next 2 games. If they sneak a result tonight I’d suspect foul play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postage-stamp Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 When will this Derby tv day and time be announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Tayside Jambo said: If they sneak a result tonight I’d suspect foul play! Indeed! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, postage-stamp said: When will this Derby tv day and time be announced? Currently, nobody knows, although there have been a few educated guesses. Probably a topic in itself; but I reckon that when the fixtures are announced, barring 'unforseen circumstances' the TV companies should have but one day to state the games they wish to show. After all, it's all computerised and it simply reeks of having contempt for fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, postage-stamp said: When will this Derby tv day and time be announced? Talk of this elsewhere today but best guess is either 3pm Saturday (not moved for TV as Hibs only have one live game left and may be kept for Celtic after the split) or 12-12.15 on the Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRiver Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Thunder and Lightning said: Why do we continue with the 'against non old firm' stuff? We play them. As do other teams. We fail to dent them mostly. Others get the odd win, for us it seems very rare. Yes we need to do better against the rest but we need to stop writing off games against the arse cheeks. Nah we all get the odd win now and again. Christ mate was it not St Mirren that hadn't beaten one of them in about 30 year till lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Thunder and Lightning said: Why do we continue with the 'against non old firm' stuff? We play them. As do other teams. We fail to dent them mostly. Others get the odd win, for us it seems very rare. Yes we need to do better against the rest but we need to stop writing off games against the arse cheeks. It’s because some posters want a one Robbie Neilson argument for the old firm and one robbie Neilson argument for the other sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canscot Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Tayside Jambo said: If they sneak a result tonight I’d suspect foul play! VAR will call it back😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I still maintain it’s not Hibs we need to worry about. Which is why them beating Livi wasn’t a bad result. Think after the next 2 games Livi will be above them with Dons and St Mirren right up their arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Thomaso said: The fact is that unlike us Hibs up their game against Rangers. It would not surprise me in the least if they win tomorrow! Well, you will have your fingers crossed I'm sure, hoping you'll be proved right. So sad that Hibs seem to inhabit some people's heads free of charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, DS98 said: I still maintain it’s not Hibs we need to worry about. Which is why them beating Livi wasn’t a bad result. Think after the next 2 games Livi will be above them with Dons and St Mirren right up their arse. Livingston are 10 points behind us with a far inferior goal difference. They have lost their last 4 including a 3-0 gubbing by ICT in the Cup. There is no chance they are ending up above us. Edited March 7, 2023 by Luckies1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Tayside Jambo said: If they sneak a result tonight I’d suspect foul play! Wishing the week away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 hours ago, NaturalOrder74 said: I just think it’s healthy for perspective would you trade our derby record for their two draws against old firm ? Our record is abysmal and needs to improve 100% but I don’t think hibs is exactly a benchmark to compare too Of course I wouldn’t trade our Derby record but that is irrelevant to our/their performances against the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Well, you will have your fingers crossed I'm sure, hoping you'll be proved right. So sad that Hibs seem to inhabit some people's heads free of charge. What a ridiculous post! 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 hours ago, GinRummy said: It’s because some posters want a one Robbie Neilson argument for the old firm and one robbie Neilson argument for the other sides. Or maybe as fans we badly underestimate the Old firm on here and prefer to make it out that its Robbie's failures rather than because the gap between the Old Firm and the rest has really kicked on, because that is more depressing. For example, I see people going on about Rangers being poor at the moment, but they have only dropped points in the league under Beale to Celtic. They doing great performances, they are being very effective. Even if you take in Van Bronkhurst poor time domestically, they have only lost 5 games in the last two seasons in the league, only 2 were not against Celtic. Celtic in their last 59 league games have lost 1 game and drawn 6 games (two of which were against Rangers.) This season they have lost 1 game and drawn 1 game, in 27 games. If you want to go in domestic football, they have only lost 1 cup game in the last two seasons and that was against Rangers. While there can be legitimate criticism about things Neilson is doing in those games, there appears to be almost some belief that playing the Old Firm these days that only Robbie's incompetence is holding us back rather than it being something on a different level to be able to get points from those matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Or maybe as fans we badly underestimate the Old firm on here and prefer to make it out that its Robbie's failures rather than because the gap between the Old Firm and the rest has really kicked on, because that is more depressing. For example, I see people going on about Rangers being poor at the moment, but they have only dropped points in the league under Beale to Celtic. They doing great performances, they are being very effective. Even if you take in Van Bronkhurst poor time domestically, they have only lost 5 games in the last two seasons in the league, only 2 were not against Celtic. Celtic in their last 59 league games have lost 1 game and drawn 6 games (two of which were against Rangers.) This season they have lost 1 game and drawn 1 game, in 27 games. If you want to go in domestic football, they have only lost 1 cup game in the last two seasons and that was against Rangers. While there can be legitimate criticism about things Neilson is doing in those games, there appears to be almost some belief that playing the Old Firm these days that only Robbie's incompetence is holding us back rather than it being something on a different level to be able to get points from those matches. A fine factual post. However if we just had a go more and had a bit more belief I think we should at least give them a game……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Or maybe as fans we badly underestimate the Old firm on here and prefer to make it out that its Robbie's failures rather than because the gap between the Old Firm and the rest has really kicked on, because that is more depressing. For example, I see people going on about Rangers being poor at the moment, but they have only dropped points in the league under Beale to Celtic. They doing great performances, they are being very effective. Even if you take in Van Bronkhurst poor time domestically, they have only lost 5 games in the last two seasons in the league, only 2 were not against Celtic. Celtic in their last 59 league games have lost 1 game and drawn 6 games (two of which were against Rangers.) This season they have lost 1 game and drawn 1 game, in 27 games. If you want to go in domestic football, they have only lost 1 cup game in the last two seasons and that was against Rangers. While there can be legitimate criticism about things Neilson is doing in those games, there appears to be almost some belief that playing the Old Firm these days that only Robbie's incompetence is holding us back rather than it being something on a different level to be able to get points from those matches. Those figures are almost depressing. BUT ... it makes our wins v either of them all the better. I'm hoping for a full-on double win this week that'll go down in history. ☝️ Aye, a 'Happy Clapper's Fantasy'. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postage-stamp Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Luckies1874 said: Talk of this elsewhere today but best guess is either 3pm Saturday (not moved for TV as Hibs only have one live game left and may be kept for Celtic after the split) or 12-12.15 on the Sunday. I think the rule about how many per ground is a myth. They are allowed extra after the split Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 9 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said: Or maybe as fans we badly underestimate the Old firm on here and prefer to make it out that its Robbie's failures rather than because the gap between the Old Firm and the rest has really kicked on, because that is more depressing. For example, I see people going on about Rangers being poor at the moment, but they have only dropped points in the league under Beale to Celtic. They doing great performances, they are being very effective. Even if you take in Van Bronkhurst poor time domestically, they have only lost 5 games in the last two seasons in the league, only 2 were not against Celtic. Celtic in their last 59 league games have lost 1 game and drawn 6 games (two of which were against Rangers.) This season they have lost 1 game and drawn 1 game, in 27 games. If you want to go in domestic football, they have only lost 1 cup game in the last two seasons and that was against Rangers. While there can be legitimate criticism about things Neilson is doing in those games, there appears to be almost some belief that playing the Old Firm these days that only Robbie's incompetence is holding us back rather than it being something on a different level to be able to get points from those matches. Great post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said: Or maybe as fans we badly underestimate the Old firm on here and prefer to make it out that its Robbie's failures rather than because the gap between the Old Firm and the rest has really kicked on, because that is more depressing. For example, I see people going on about Rangers being poor at the moment, but they have only dropped points in the league under Beale to Celtic. They doing great performances, they are being very effective. Even if you take in Van Bronkhurst poor time domestically, they have only lost 5 games in the last two seasons in the league, only 2 were not against Celtic. Celtic in their last 59 league games have lost 1 game and drawn 6 games (two of which were against Rangers.) This season they have lost 1 game and drawn 1 game, in 27 games. If you want to go in domestic football, they have only lost 1 cup game in the last two seasons and that was against Rangers. While there can be legitimate criticism about things Neilson is doing in those games, there appears to be almost some belief that playing the Old Firm these days that only Robbie's incompetence is holding us back rather than it being something on a different level to be able to get points from those matches. That's the truth and it's depressing as he'll. We celebrate a £4m "windfall " for our European run, Rangers sold 2 players for a combined total of over £30m and both got in the ucl group stage and banked another £20m each. It's not a gap, it's a chasm. Unfortunately that is realistic and boring tho. Add in the small league, the media and the sfa then Scottish football is just a write off. It's boring and quite rightly looked on as a joke. There is no appetite for change and as we head towards 50 years with no non OF winner of the league no one cares. It's utter wank tbh. Really surprised it still holds the interest of so many people. Edited March 8, 2023 by Bazzas right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said: Or maybe as fans we badly underestimate the Old firm on here and prefer to make it out that its Robbie's failures rather than because the gap between the Old Firm and the rest has really kicked on, because that is more depressing. For example, I see people going on about Rangers being poor at the moment, but they have only dropped points in the league under Beale to Celtic. They doing great performances, they are being very effective. Even if you take in Van Bronkhurst poor time domestically, they have only lost 5 games in the last two seasons in the league, only 2 were not against Celtic. Celtic in their last 59 league games have lost 1 game and drawn 6 games (two of which were against Rangers.) This season they have lost 1 game and drawn 1 game, in 27 games. If you want to go in domestic football, they have only lost 1 cup game in the last two seasons and that was against Rangers. While there can be legitimate criticism about things Neilson is doing in those games, there appears to be almost some belief that playing the Old Firm these days that only Robbie's incompetence is holding us back rather than it being something on a different level to be able to get points from those matches. sadly true. Jesus Christ himself could become our manager and without spending 10's of millions year on year for a decade wouldn't close the gap. mind, the holy bearded one might improve the diet.....fish, bread and all that. (Just don't mention the wine bit) as for the 'laying a glove chat'......facts still bear out this leads to zero points nearly every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said: sadly true. Jesus Christ himself could become our manager and without spending 10's of millions year on year for a decade wouldn't close the gap. mind, the holy bearded one might improve the diet.....fish, bread and all that. (Just don't mention the wine bit) as for the 'laying a glove chat'......facts still bear out this leads to zero points nearly every game. There’s obviously a financial gap but I think the psychological one is so massive that defeat is normally accepted soon as you go one down. We won’t ever be able to match them financially so we’ll have to find another way. Whether that’s a Brentford model or creating a specialist academy where we guarantee young players first team action. I know it’s almost impossible to solve but it’s frustrating just accepting the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 absolutely frustrating as anything. the whole football set up in scotland is geared to the ugly sisters. no one outside the country cares a jot about scottish football - not even the bigot bros derby. sadly, the bigot bros are so insular they don't care - prime aim for either is to be top of the table. the jaunts into europe seem to just be a vehicle to fund their league dominance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 i hate the old firm more than Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: i hate the old firm more than Hibs. Yip. Hibs are shite and fun to beat. The OF are a cancer on our game and society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: Yip. Hibs are shite and fun to beat. The OF are a cancer on our game and society. they are also not hateable on levels of the old firm. I'd laugh harder if Celtic or Rangers died than Hibs. Very good way of describing them. I wouldn't care if Scottish Football fell further down because of Celtic and Rangers being absent - if it meant our league was competitive and unpredictable then i'd be all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: they are also not hateable on levels of the old firm. I'd laugh harder if Celtic or Rangers died than Hibs. Very good way of describing them. I wouldn't care if Scottish Football fell further down because of Celtic and Rangers being absent - if it meant our league was competitive and unpredictable then i'd be all for it. been said many a time before - massive credit to the TV commentators covering either of the ugly sisters - for somehow managing to sound surprised and excited when either of them score....again....and again.... the absolute dull fest it must be for their supporters....season in.....season out..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: There’s obviously a financial gap but I think the psychological one is so massive that defeat is normally accepted soon as you go one down. We won’t ever be able to match them financially so we’ll have to find another way. Whether that’s a Brentford model or creating a specialist academy where we guarantee young players first team action. I know it’s almost impossible to solve but it’s frustrating just accepting the status quo. Our job is 100% to be better than the rest. The games against the OF don't matter unless you are beating the rest of the teams like they do. We start winning pretty much every game, the odd draw away from home, same as the OF do, we're instantly closer to them THAT is the plan. It's the only plan there can be. The OF games will come around and we have to give it our best shot, but we need to aim to be clearly better than the rest consistently and not have Motherwell moments. This season I'm giving a bit of a by as has been mental with one thing and another and huge learning curve. Next season, I'd hope we take a step forward in this regard. Said it loads, 70 points should become our new "good season". I'd say it's currently 60 - has been for a long time. We need to improve that. We'll do that by winning a few more away games, more easily than by picking up 10 points against the OF. These things aren't mutually exclusive of course, we could beat EVERYONE ALL THE TIME, but you need to look at what you're up against and be realistic. We need to puff our chest out and get in about the OF and go out with the belief we can do it, but defeat is simply always going to be the most likely outcome. Remember also that the OF very very rarely have an off day against us. We're their second biggest game, they're not allowed to switch off against us so are always at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I don't even watch the old firm games against us any more. I decided some time ago to erase them from my mind. I have no idea what their results against other teams are unless a headline catches my eye, and I only know Celtic are ahead of Rangers at the moment as you can't avoid seeing that when you look at the league tables. I haven't watched the Sportscene or highlights programmes for years so I don't even know who their players are. It's my way of avoiding thinking about the pathetic state of Scottish football - like holding my hands over my ears and shouting LA LA LA when they are mentioned. I have advocated several times we should effectively play reserve teams against them, especially in Glasgow. I realise that would be bad for those great supporters who travel to the games. However I think we should actively show our disrespect and discontent with the way the game is run. I also think we should cooperate with other non-OF teams fan bases to boycott anything which gives the OF money - so deliberately not watching OF finals, not attending their home games, active campaigns to change the structure of the TV deals and wages caps etc. Perhaps campaign for gates to be shared 50:50 for example. Something has to change or the Scottish game will die a slow death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: I don't even watch the old firm games against us any more. I decided some time ago to erase them from my mind. I have no idea what their results against other teams are unless a headline catches my eye, and I only know Celtic are ahead of Rangers at the moment as you can't avoid seeing that when you look at the league tables. I haven't watched the Sportscene or highlights programmes for years so I don't even know who their players are. It's my way of avoiding thinking about the pathetic state of Scottish football - like holding my hands over my ears and shouting LA LA LA when they are mentioned. I have advocated several times we should effectively play reserve teams against them, especially in Glasgow. I realise that would be bad for those great supporters who travel to the games. However I think we should actively show our disrespect and discontent with the way the game is run. I also think we should cooperate with other non-OF teams fan bases to boycott anything which gives the OF money - so deliberately not watching OF finals, not attending their home games, active campaigns to change the structure of the TV deals and wages caps etc. Perhaps campaign for gates to be shared 50:50 for example. Something has to change or the Scottish game will die a slow death I am similar here . I still watch the OF games vs us , and I will catch the highlights if one of them get beaten , but I have zero interest in them out side of that . You could not pay me enough money to watch an old firm derby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, TheBigO said: Our job is 100% to be better than the rest. The games against the OF don't matter unless you are beating the rest of the teams like they do. We start winning pretty much every game, the odd draw away from home, same as the OF do, we're instantly closer to them THAT is the plan. It's the only plan there can be. The OF games will come around and we have to give it our best shot, but we need to aim to be clearly better than the rest consistently and not have Motherwell moments. This season I'm giving a bit of a by as has been mental with one thing and another and huge learning curve. Next season, I'd hope we take a step forward in this regard. Said it loads, 70 points should become our new "good season". I'd say it's currently 60 - has been for a long time. We need to improve that. We'll do that by winning a few more away games, more easily than by picking up 10 points against the OF. These things aren't mutually exclusive of course, we could beat EVERYONE ALL THE TIME, but you need to look at what you're up against and be realistic. We need to puff our chest out and get in about the OF and go out with the belief we can do it, but defeat is simply always going to be the most likely outcome. Remember also that the OF very very rarely have an off day against us. We're their second biggest game, they're not allowed to switch off against us so are always at it. very good post. can't disagree with any of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getintaethem Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBigO said: Our job is 100% to be better than the rest. The games against the OF don't matter unless you are beating the rest of the teams like they do. We start winning pretty much every game, the odd draw away from home, same as the OF do, we're instantly closer to them THAT is the plan. It's the only plan there can be. The OF games will come around and we have to give it our best shot, but we need to aim to be clearly better than the rest consistently and not have Motherwell moments. This season I'm giving a bit of a by as has been mental with one thing and another and huge learning curve. Next season, I'd hope we take a step forward in this regard. Said it loads, 70 points should become our new "good season". I'd say it's currently 60 - has been for a long time. We need to improve that. We'll do that by winning a few more away games, more easily than by picking up 10 points against the OF. These things aren't mutually exclusive of course, we could beat EVERYONE ALL THE TIME, but you need to look at what you're up against and be realistic. We need to puff our chest out and get in about the OF and go out with the belief we can do it, but defeat is simply always going to be the most likely outcome. Remember also that the OF very very rarely have an off day against us. We're their second biggest game, they're not allowed to switch off against us so are always at it. Good post. I feel some fans have unrealistic expectations. The 70+ points is very achievable and is where we need to get to next season. It’s going to take more investment in the squad and a bit more luck than we’ve had with injuries this season. It’s also going to take a marked improvement in our away form. Teams have broken the 70+ barrier before, but that’s generally when one of the OF clubs have been weakened or absent from the league. This season was also our first, for many a year, competing in European group stage football. We need to build a squad capable of doing that and still be winning league games in that period. Qualifying for the euro groups again will go a long way to helping us achieve our goals, but the goals still have to be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Your average Hibby lives in a world of denial . The trick is to ignore the facts and what is right there in front of your face , and instead create a false reality that makes you feel better . This works for them , but as soon as the narrative they have created as a comfort blanket gets discussed out side of their little enclaves by the wider public , they then sit about scratching their heads like orangutans because the out side world are not feeding their fantasies Take our stadiums as an example . Ours is a tremendous looking stadium inside and out and a far superior venue for both watching football or enjoying perks . Theirs is an odd collection of buildings of different sizes spaced at different distances to each other and all too far from the pitch . We get our stadium up to scratch for our group stage UEFA participation and as a result we receive a grade 4 award , making it a higher UEFA rated stadium than theirs . Reaction ………….. they actually believe we did it to get one over them , and they deny the official ratings decreed by UEFA as being untrue , because it does not match the comfort blanket narrative they created about their shit hole being better https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?322200-Hearts-New-Stand-Thread-(Merged)/page429 They really are a breed apart . See also the comments about owing the debt to themselves regarding their latest accounts , as if that is not exactly the position they are now floundering in with an owner plunging them in to debt through loans . You would have thought that the amount of attention they spent on us through our difficult times would have made them more observant to the same things happening to them but no . They just walk right in to the oncoming traffic because they are too busy looking over their shoulders at us They are actually quite mental 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Hibs accounts have just been lodged with Companies House. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC005323/filing-history A few points of note from first reading: * A £3.5m operating loss was offset by £2.1m profit on player trading (primarily Martin Boyle), though most of the profit will be lost in the current year by writing off future instalments in order to re-sign him. * Ron Gordon (RIP) also loaned the club £1.95m. That loan was used to refit the West Stand for hospitality and purchase/lease LED advertising boards (tangible assets up by £3m, £720k of which are leases). A further £1m of capital spend is planned. * £302k salary to their highest paid director (probably Ben Kensell, their CEO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 This is a mad stat from .net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Easily.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I feel dirty at taking some pleasure from a Rangers win but it is good to see Hibs put back in their box. Sounds like Rangers battered them a bit tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, MattyK82 said: Easily.. Paul Weller kens his stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Doubt many Hibs fans would agree with him. The simple fact is we are the 3rd best team and have managed that with a punishing European schedule and horrific injury list. We heard all the chat about how they and Aberdeen were going to take advantage whilst we were playing 2 games a week with a makeshift defence. Sounds like Hibs were lucky Rangers only got 4. They like ourselves have to have a go at home as their fans demand it. Time and time again it ends in a hammering as a team with 30-40k a week players pick them off with ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 The new era for Hearts began with fan ownership. Huge gamble, but all success due to our own fans backing the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Hibs getting absolutely thumped at Fester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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