Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[jack D and coke]

5 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Sounds like a w*nker tbh. "anti white *******"... 

it’s just how people feel about this mug mate. 

[Gundermann]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

it’s just how people feel about this mug mate. 

 

"people" - the views of some racist doesn't make it valid.

 

Starmer can be criticised for many things but "protecting paedos" and being "anti white" FFS? It just discredits any valid points you may have.

[jack D and coke]

3 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

"people" - the views of some racist doesn't make it valid.

 

Starmer can be criticised for many things but "protecting paedos" and being "anti white" FFS? It just discredits any valid points you may have.

Speak for yourself. 

[escobri]

Who the feck voted for this mob, hopefully next government has a record and jails you.

 

[jack D and coke]

6 minutes ago, escobri said:

Who the feck voted for this mob, hopefully next government has a record and jails you.

 

It’s one term and done.
Its disastrous already. 
 

[escobri]

4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s one term and done.
Its disastrous already. 
 

 

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, escobri said:

 

 

[i wish jj was my dad]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I'm not exactly a fanboy of Starmer or Reeves but the commentator comes across as exactly the sort of concerned citizen that thinks it is patriotic to burn libraries and properties with people inside. 

[Ulysses]

 

 

[jack D and coke]

16 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party? 😀

[Ulysses]

18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party? 😀

 

Quite.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party? 😀

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/07/robert-jenrick-has-cartoon-murals-painted-over-at-childrens-asylum-centre
 

yup, I’d say so.

[Gundermann]

8 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Speak for yourself. 

 

I do. But, if he speaks for you can you tell me what leads you to believe the allegations I mentioned?

[lou]

31 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

I do. But, if he speaks for you can you tell me what leads you to believe the allegations I mentioned?

8 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Speak for yourself. 

What's your opinion on him calling Reeves a scrubber? 

 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

11 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I'd string that Brummy w@nk up.

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, lou said:

 

If the shoe fits 🤷🏽‍♂️

[lou]

25 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

If the shoe fits 🤷🏽‍♂️

What little credibility you had has just gone, you can criticise politicians for their actions but to call Reeves a scrubber is cretin behaviour 

[Gundermann]

Just now, lou said:

What little credibility you had has just gone, you can criticise politicians for their actions but to call Reeves a scrubber is cretin behaviour 

 

Yes. Jack has no evidence that Starmer protects peados, hates white people or has any knowledge of Reeves' personal life but propagates the rantings of some sad hatefilled incel. 

 

What happened to him...?

[Cade]

Jack's not dealing with the Labour election win very well.

 

[doctor jambo]

55 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

If the shoe fits 🤷🏽‍♂️

I agree with you Jack, though apologise that this may destroy whatever credibility you hang onto

[Konrad von Carstein]

These last few pages 

 

Edited November 1, 2024 by Konrad von Carstein

[Costanza]

Listening to a bit of that Brummie walloper, I can't help but be reminded of this:

 

 

[jack D and coke]

I’ve nae credibility on JKB  

 

[lou]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve nae credibility on JKB  

 

If you think it's alright to call a woman a scrubber because you don't like her then you have no credibility with me, don't really care what the rest of JKB thinks 

[Cade]

Wee reminder;

Jezza Clarkson openly stated that when he bought his wee farm it was specifically to avoid paying inheritance tax.

That's why he's  on social media right now.

 

Sorry Jeremy, you have to pay tax now.

[Victorian]

8 minutes ago, Cade said:

Wee reminder;

Jezza Clarkson openly stated that when he bought his wee farm it was specifically to avoid paying inheritance tax.

That's why he's  on social media right now.

 

Sorry Jeremy, you have to pay tax now.

 

Farmers in general are beelin' about being brought nearer to fair taxation.  But only nearer.   They're still quite well treated.

 

The unsurprising defence is that farmers are profoundly important to the economy and should be exempt.   The reality is that thousands of other small businesses are equally important and have not enjoyed the protections that farmers have.   There already was and still is a generous set of allowances,  reliefs and exemptions to minimise tax liabilities.

 

Clarkson and all other bogus farmers can go and **** a pig.

Edited November 1, 2024 by Victorian

[Japan Jambo]

ASLEF and the RMT colluding to bring London to a halt for the umpteenth time again next week. Given there are no Toaries to blame anymore I look forward to hearing how they justify their grievances this time around. Any of our broken train set professionals care to explain to the its customers/victims whats actually going on?

[XB52]

1 hour ago, Gundermann said:

 

Yes. Jack has no evidence that Starmer protects peados, hates white people or has any knowledge of Reeves' personal life but propagates the rantings of some sad hatefilled incel. 

 

What happened to him...?

That's exactly what I was thinking; what the hell has happened to Jack D. He always seemed to be one of the more reasonable posters on here(a pretty low bar) but labour in power has really triggered him

[XB52]

6 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

ASLEF and the RMT colluding to bring London to a halt for the umpteenth time again next week. Given there are no Toaries to blame anymore I look forward to hearing how they justify their grievances this time around. Any of our broken train set professionals care to explain to the its customers/victims whats actually going on?

I would imagine it's about wages and working conditions, hope that helps

[Cade]

34 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Farmers in general are beelin' about being brought nearer to fair taxation.  But only nearer.   They're still quite well treated.

 

The unsurprising defence is that farmers are profoundly important to the economy and should be exempt.   The reality is that thousands of other small businesses are equally important and have not enjoyed the protections that farmers have.   There already was and still is a generous set of allowances,  reliefs and exemptions to minimise tax liabilities.

 

Clarkson and all other bogus farmers can go and **** a pig.

 

Just wait until their Government subsidy that replaced their EU payments ends in three year's time.

They voted for Brexit, now it's time for the reality of that decision to hit home.

 

The main issue with the farming industry is Supermarkets being allowed to get away with paying them pennies.

Supermarkets price far too many products far too low as "loss leaders". See the bizarre 'milk price wars' that have constantly driven down the price of milk in stores and have ruined many dairy farmers as Supermarkets compete for the lowest price of a pint of milk.

Yes, I know I constantly harp on about Supermarkets acting like Cartels and profiteering but that's mostly on their mid range (and branded) goods.
They need to be forced to pay farmers a decent price.
There is another entire argument to have on Supermarket basics ranges and their way above inflation price rises but that's for another day.

Minimum pricing has to be done hand-in-hand with production quotas, otherwise you end up with 'butter mountains' and 'wine lakes', as we saw in the EU in the 80s/90s.
If you simply promise that farmers will be paid a minimum amount for a certain item and don't restrict the production of that item then you end up with farms over producing one product and being cash generators instead of being part of a properly functioning food supply chain.

As with just about every other industry in the UK at the moment, deregulation has caused all manner of problems. 

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

Just wait until their Government subsidy that replaced their EU payments ends in three year's time.

They voted for Brexit, now it's time for the reality of that decision to hit home.

 

The main issue with the farming industry is Supermarkets being allowed to get away with paying them pennies.

Supermarkets price far too many products far too low as "loss leaders". See the bizarre 'milk price wars' that have constantly driven down the price of milk in stores and have ruined many dairy farmers as Supermarkets compete for the lowest price of a pint of milk.

Yes, I know I constantly harp on about Supermarkets acting like Cartels and profiteering but that's mostly on their mid range (and branded) goods.
They need to be forced to pay farmers a decent price.
There is another entire argument to have on Supermarket basics ranges and their way above inflation price rises but that's for another day.

Minimum pricing has to be done hand-in-hand with production quotas, otherwise you end up with 'butter mountains' and 'wine lakes', as we saw in the EU in the 80s/90s.
If you simply promise that farmers will be paid a minimum amount for a certain item and don't restrict the production of that item then you end up with farms over producing one product and being cash generators instead of being part of a properly functioning food supply chain.

As with just about every other industry in the UK at the moment, deregulation has caused all manner of problems. 

 

  They voted for the same lies that 52% did in the end.

 

Can't agree more about supermarkets.  I have no doubt at all that there is some amount of co-operation going on in some areas.  It's true that a lot of supermarket products are sold with very thin margins but undoubtedly they make up for it in others.  It's a business model easy to defend and continue to profit.  Point towards the wafer thin margins and don't mention the enormous volumes that provide the profits.

 

If the mega-grocers really wanted to compete openly and provide maximum fairness,  they could all greatly improve the terms and benefits of their loyalty schemes.

[doctor jambo]

1 hour ago, XB52 said:

I would imagine it's about wages and working conditions, hope that helps

Their wages and working conditions are absurd.

Their wages are way beyond reasonable.

They earn more that all but the most senior Drs.

For playing Hornby.

Utterly replaceable, which is what should happen next.

Fire and rehire please

[Nookie Bear]

19 hours ago, Cade said:

Folk are not skint because "the Government takes too much tax"

Folk are skint because of unregulated capitalist greed.

Rents are out of control.

Energy prices are out of control.

Fuel prices are out of control.

Supermarkets are acting like Cartels.

Insurance companies are taking the piss.

Rail and water companies are charging their customers a fortune, giving it all to shareholders and refusing to invest in the actual services, which are at failure point.
And so on.

And so on.
The people of this nation are being bled white by pure greed.

That's where the problem is.

Cutting tax "to give people more money back" won't do shite. Prices will continue to rise and all that extra money will be trousered by the big business barons.

Prices need to be capped and businesses need to be tightly regulated.

 

We're in the insane situation where the Government is taking your taxes and giving it to various greedy capitalist barons...we're actually subsidising them because their prices have been allowed to get so high that nobody can afford even the basics any more.

Housing benefit is nothing more or less than public money being given to greedy Landlords.
Tax credits are nothing more or less than public money being used to subsidise business running costs because wages are not enough to afford to live.
It's mental.
 

 

[Boab]

14 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

it’s just how people feel about this mug mate. 

Looks like he hasn’t seen how a councillor’s wife was jailed for social media rant ! Silly man !

[Mikey1874]

18 hours ago, Gundermann said:

Haven't heard much about the effect of the NI rise on public sector employers. Trying to fix the NHS by hitting them with more NI on its thousands of employees...

 

 

Because they are more or less getting  extra money added to their budgets to pay the extra NI.

[Lord Montpelier]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve nae credibility on JKB  

 

I see the penny finally dropped.

[ehcaley]

4 hours ago, Cade said:

Jack's not dealing with the Labour election win very well.

 

Hit him hard no doubt, but the demise of the great leader has tipped him over the edge not sure I can label him a NAT INCEL anymore as he seems to have fallen out with them as well.

Probably needs help but who cares😂

Nigel to the rescue

 

Edited November 1, 2024 by ehcaley

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Farmers in general are beelin' about being brought nearer to fair taxation.  But only nearer.   They're still quite well treated.

 

The unsurprising defence is that farmers are profoundly important to the economy and should be exempt.   The reality is that thousands of other small businesses are equally important and have not enjoyed the protections that farmers have.   There already was and still is a generous set of allowances,  reliefs and exemptions to minimise tax liabilities.

 

Clarkson and all other bogus farmers can go and **** a pig.

 

Inheritance tax is a tricky challenge. It's one of the biggest middle range concerns people have. Despite affecting around 4% of the population, most people want it scrapped.

 

Sensible people basically worked out that the new tax affects only the biggest landlords people like the big Danish landowner and James Dyson, not your average farmer. But average farmers who will never be affected are appearing all over the media saying how worried they are. Ed Davey today has repeated the lie. Many will sell up on this lie.

 

Sums up the challenge. 

[ehcaley]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Inheritance tax is a tricky challenge. It's one of the biggest middle range concerns people have. Despite affecting around 4% of the population, most people want it scrapped.

 

Sensible people basically worked out that the new tax affects only the biggest landlords people like the big Danish landowner and James Dyson, not your average farmer. But average farmers who will never be affected are appearing all over the media saying how worried they are. Ed Davey today has repeated the lie. Many will sell up on this lie.

 

Sums up the challenge. 

Feck them🐖🐄🐑🚜

[jack D and coke]

18 minutes ago, ehcaley said:

Hit him hard no doubt, but the demise of the great leader has tipped him over the edge not sure I can label him a NAT INCEL anymore as he seems to have fallen out with them as well.

Probably needs help but who cares😂

Nigel to the rescue

 

Like getting all personal with folk you eh  

What a weirdo man. 
 

[jack D and coke]

29 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

I see the penny finally dropped.

Ooooh sick burn  

[Cade]

51 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Inheritance tax is a tricky challenge. It's one of the biggest middle range concerns people have. Despite affecting around 4% of the population, most people want it scrapped.

 

Sensible people basically worked out that the new tax affects only the biggest landlords people like the big Danish landowner and James Dyson, not your average farmer. But average farmers who will never be affected are appearing all over the media saying how worried they are. Ed Davey today has repeated the lie. Many will sell up on this lie.

 

Sums up the challenge. 

 

They're just being whipped up by Clarkson and others (another reminder that Clarkson has openly stated that buying that farm was specifically so he could avoid inheritance tax)

[Victorian]

Clarkson is a monumental prick.  It's typical of the times that he still retains a remarkably sized fan club who seem to worship him.  This the man who once assualted a production crew colleague whilst drunk.

[Japan Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Clarkson is a monumental prick.  It's typical of the times that he still retains a remarkably sized fan club who seem to worship him.  This the man who once assualted a production crew colleague whilst drunk.

 

I'm sure he regrets that. Congratulations on leading a perfect life btw. 😁

[Victorian]

12 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

I'm sure he regrets that. Congratulations on leading a perfect life btw. 😁

 

What a stupid comment.  Because everyone must be imperfect in some way,  we must never criticise outrageous behaviour?

 

He was already on notice (should have been emptied already) for a racist comment.  But we're all imperfect so should not really criticise?  Amirite?

 

[il Duce McTarkin]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

 

What a weirdo man. 
 

 

Thread's full of them.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

15 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party? 😀

Scottish greens and SNP way more shit then Labour. Not even close 

[joondalupjambo]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

Clarkson is a monumental prick.  It's typical of the times that he still retains a remarkably sized fan club who seem to worship him.  This the man who once assualted a production crew colleague whilst drunk.

Clarkson is a bit like your guilty pleasure though🤣  He can be quite funny.  His car programme was a hit and loved. His farm series is a hoot but with a splattering of education.  He seems to be good with his farm staff.  And his pure absurdity in some instances is box office stuff.  He knows how far he can push it and for whatever reason seems to be a money printing press.  So not so much worship I think more just right place right time where folk can see him for what he is warts and all.

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

Clarkson is a bit like your guilty pleasure though🤣  He can be quite funny.  His car programme was a hit and loved. His farm series is a hoot but with a splattering of education.  He seems to be good with his farm staff.  And his pure absurdity in some instances is box office stuff.  He knows how far he can push it and for whatever reason seems to be a money printing press.  So not so much worship I think more just right place right time where folk can see him for what he is warts and all.

 

I know what you mean.  He can come over quite natural at times.  He has a different,  pleasant persona on Millionaire.  

 

There was a time in the past when he wouldn't have made it back into television after what he did.  The television industry used to be quite unionised and the unions were powerful enough to ban people.  BBC especially.  You're right about his commercial value.  Too big for other operators to ignore.

[Ulysses]

The UK's relationship with Ukraine has become worse since Starmer took over from Sunak.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/08/relationship-between-uk-and-ukraine-has-worsened-since-labour-won-election