***Champions League Final 2022 - Liverpool v Real Madrid***

[luckydug]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Hopefully they get an apology from the French police and young Parisians who caused all the bother apparently 

Didn't think it would be Liverpool's fans at fault. 

It never is😏

[Fly the Saltire]

1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said:

Hopefully they get an apology from the French police and young Parisians who caused all the bother apparently 

Most foreign commentators pointing out that hundreds were trying to get in with forged tickets and just as many without tickets climbing high security fences before kick off time. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Good to see Liverpool and their fans desperately trying to absolve themselves of any blame for the fiasco at ground. At least no one was seriously injured, or worse, this time, so thankful that the French police did their job. 

No stadium to blame this time, no gates opened for them this time.

It can't be coincidence that these events happen when Liverpool are playing.

[Angel eyes]

2 hours ago, Randy Marsh said:

How embarrassing for Liverpool.  Losing to a team that lost to a team from Moldova earlier in the tournament.

Liverpool are not as good as people think they are three cup finals this season no goals won the lottery that’s a penalty shootout and the business end of the league huffed & puffed could d have happened to a better club, well Chelsea maybe….

[Malinga the Swinga]

Watching highlights really exposes 'Trent' as an utterly over-hyped player. The lad simply cannot defend. He has no idea where Madrid player is and costs team the game.

If Klopp half the manager he thinks he is, he wants to replace him with someone who can defend as well as attack.

[ShadyAcres]

1 hour ago, luckydug said:

Didn't think it would be Liverpool's fans at fault. 

It never is😏

I would get my facts right before posting pish. Educate yourself. 

[benny]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Good to see Liverpool and their fans desperately trying to absolve themselves of any blame for the fiasco at ground. At least no one was seriously injured, or worse, this time, so thankful that the French police did their job. 

No stadium to blame this time, no gates opened for them this time.

It can't be coincidence that these events happen when Liverpool are playing.

British press desperate to blame anyone bar the scousers.

Even their manager urged fans to travel to Paris if they didn't have tickets.

[Ex member of the SaS]

Never having bought a fake ticket but why would you wait until KO to try and get in? Surely at such a huge game you would endeavor to get to your seat early to soak in the atmosphere. That to me looks like you knew it was fake and tried to get in when there was a rush and ticket inspection would be lax. Strange the Real fans didn't have the same problem and after Hilsbourgh you would think English fans would be better behaved. In any event they won't take responsibility and try to blame others.

 

As for the game I thought Liverpool played fairly well but when they got to the edge of the box ran out of options, no one making runs down the wing or into the box. Only one team " scored" twice, one knocked off after a very long VaR session so I would say the best team won. ( scoring goals wins games not pretty passing football. ) 

[Sooperstar]

👍👍👍

[Malinga the Swinga]

24 minutes ago, ShadyAcres said:

I would get my facts right before posting pish. Educate yourself. 

What facts are these? Could have been another Heysel if French Police hadn't acted as quickly and as well.

The salty tears coming from Liverpool and the English media, and wankers like John Bishop, trying to justify the Liverpool supporters actions do them no favours.

[Boab]

2 minutes ago, Sooperstar said:

👍👍👍

😂

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, Sooperstar said:

👍👍👍

Laddies getting too cocky. Puts in decent crosses but can't defend. Hope he carries on though as it ensures Liverpool will always be weak at back.

Even Southgate has worked out he is liability, which is a shame.

[benny]

[Niemi’s gloves]

35 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Never having bought a fake ticket but why would you wait until KO to try and get in? Surely at such a huge game you would endeavor to get to your seat early to soak in the atmosphere. That to me looks like you knew it was fake and tried to get in when there was a rush and ticket inspection would be lax. Strange the Real fans didn't have the same problem and after Hilsbourgh you would think English fans would be better behaved. In any event they won't take responsibility and try to blame others.

 

As for the game I thought Liverpool played fairly well but when they got to the edge of the box ran out of options, no one making runs down the wing or into the box. Only one team " scored" twice, one knocked off after a very long VaR session so I would say the best team won. ( scoring goals wins games not pretty passing football. ) 

Who waited until ko before they tried to get in? The reports are of fans arriving 2-3 hours before ko and not getting in. And we have the assurance of Andrew Robertson that one of his mates was told that the genuine ticket AR gave him was as a fake. I don’t doubt that there were some/many fake tickets around but equally many decent fans with genuine tickets seem to have been treated unacceptably.

[Angel eyes]

least Liverpool’s runner’s up medals are no too shabby…

[benny]

3 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said:

Who waited until ko before they tried to get in? The reports are of fans arriving 2-3 hours before ko and not getting in. And we have the assurance of Andrew Robertson that one of his mates was told that the genuine ticket AR gave him was as a fake. I don’t doubt that there were some/many fake tickets around but equally many decent fans with genuine tickets seem to have been treated unacceptably.

Agreed by their own fans who had fake tickets.

[Braminho]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Watching highlights really exposes 'Trent' as an utterly over-hyped player. The lad simply cannot defend. He has no idea where Madrid player is and costs team the game.

If Klopp half the manager he thinks he is, he wants to replace him with someone who can defend as well as attack.

Will end up at palace in a couple of years

[GlasgoJambo]

 

[Mikey1874]

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Mikey1874

[GlasgoJambo]

Boasting about climbing into the stadium while proclaiming justice for the 97 🤦🏼‍♂️

[briever]

14 minutes ago, Braminho said:

Will end up at palace in a couple of years

 

Folk seem cool with Atkinson being this type of player on here.

[MasterofDisaster]

Would advise many on here who are about to post their opinion to have a watch of this. Can’t imagine there are many sane people who will try to justify tear gassing disabled children, families etc after herding them into a pack thousands-deep. 
 

 

[Mikey1874]

Liverpool Victory parade is 4pm.

 

 

[benny]

At least they weren't spat on.

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, MasterofDisaster said:

Would advise many on here who are about to post their opinion to have a watch of this. Can’t imagine there are many sane people who will try to justify tear gassing disabled children, families etc after herding them into a pack thousands-deep. 
 

 

 

Yeah. Consistent stories of bad experiences. Needs an honest investigation of why the crowds weren't getting in when Real Madrid fans got in with no problem.

 

But it's an interesting of the place of Liverpool in football that no one else really cares that much.  

 

 

[ShadyAcres]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

What facts are these? Could have been another Heysel if French Police hadn't acted as quickly and as well.

The salty tears coming from Liverpool and the English media, and wankers like John Bishop, trying to justify the Liverpool supporters actions do them no favours.

Aye let's just lob tear gas at everyone standing there just to get the non fans that jumped the fence. Plenty of footage out there to get yourself clued up in it all. 

[Thomaso]

26 minutes ago, MasterofDisaster said:

Would advise many on here who are about to post their opinion to have a watch of this. Can’t imagine there are many sane people who will try to justify tear gassing disabled children, families etc after herding them into a pack thousands-deep. 
 

 

Easy to automatically blame Liverpool fans due to their past record, but after watching this shambles serious questions need to be asked!

Firstly was the security arrangements the same for Real fans at their end of the ground ie numerous security checks, hounded into a restricted compound and only two turnstiles open for 20,000 fans?

[McGlynn The Money]

35 minutes ago, briever said:

 

Folk seem cool with Atkinson being this type of player on here.

 

Not as cool as Real Madrid winning the European Cup for the 14th time. Fourteen! Count them baby.

[Thomaso]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

What facts are these? Could have been another Heysel if French Police hadn't acted as quickly and as well.

The salty tears coming from Liverpool and the English media, and wankers like John Bishop, trying to justify the Liverpool supporters actions do them no favours.

Suggest you watch the Sky report posted on here if you want the facts!

[Mikey1874]

[Thomaso]

10 minutes ago, ShadyAcres said:

Aye let's just lob tear gas at everyone standing there just to get the non fans that jumped the fence. Plenty of footage out there to get yourself clued up in it all. 

Too many want to rush to judgement just as the did after Hillsboro! Some Liverpool fans are certainly no angels but going by the sky footage the tear gas started when dozens of French yobs broke through security!

[ShadyAcres]

1 minute ago, Thomaso said:

Too many want to rush to judgement just as the did after Hillsboro! Some Liverpool fans are certainly no angels but going by the sky footage the tear gas started when dozens of French yobs broke through security!

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[benny]

5 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Too many want to rush to judgement just as the did after Hillsboro! Some Liverpool fans are certainly no angels but going by the sky footage the tear gas started when dozens of French yobs broke through security!

 

[SectionDJambo]

Clearly, a lot went wrong outside the stadium that only an absolutely  independent enquiry would be able to break down facts from. 

It seems that a fair number of Liverpool fans turned up either without tickets or with fake tickets. We know that Celtic fans have rolled up at Tynecastle with cloned tickets, so let's not assume that those with fake tickets yesterday were all unaware that they were fake. Those involved in this type of practice have no concerns about the dangers that brings to other people.

The local authorities would have had to check validity of tickets well away from the stadium, but the manner in which they carried that out was outrageously dangerous, inept and provocative. They also seem to have had a flawed checking system which identified some genuine tickets as fake. Then for turnstiles within the secure area to remain closed for so long beggars belief.

This happened at a modern, built for purpose stadium, which should be laid out and organised for any big match. Any excuse about a lack of security due to the late switch of venue is lame. However, remember that only last year, a similar carry on happened at Wembley where some English fans forced their way into another modern, purpose built stadium. It doesn't look good that its happened again involving English fans.

The real shame is that, once again, innocent fans have suffered at the hands of, what looks like, a violent, indiscriminate Police response to a shambolic  situation they could not avoid being caught up in. 

[GlasgoJambo]

3 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

Clearly, a lot went wrong outside the stadium that only an absolutely  independent enquiry would be able to break down facts from. 

It seems that a fair number of Liverpool fans turned up either without tickets or with fake tickets. We know that Celtic fans have rolled up at Tynecastle with cloned tickets, so let's not assume that those with fake tickets yesterday were all unaware that they were fake. Those involved in this type of practice have no concerns about the dangers that brings to other people.

The local authorities would have had to check validity of tickets well away from the stadium, but the manner in which they carried that out was outrageously dangerous, inept and provocative. They also seem to have had a flawed checking system which identified some genuine tickets as fake. Then for turnstiles within the secure area to remain closed for so long beggars belief.

This happened at a modern, built for purpose stadium, which should be laid out and organised for any big match. Any excuse about a lack of security due to the late switch of venue is lame. However, remember that only last year, a similar carry on happened at Wembley where some English fans forced their way into another modern, purpose built stadium. It doesn't look good that its happened again involving English fans.

The real shame is that, once again, innocent fans have suffered at the hands of, what looks like, a violent, indiscriminate Police response to a shambolic  situation they could not avoid being caught up in. 

good summary. 

[Thomaso]

9 minutes ago, benny said:

 

Did you read the comments on the Twitter page that you downloaded this from? 🤔

[Thomaso]

9 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

Clearly, a lot went wrong outside the stadium that only an absolutely  independent enquiry would be able to break down facts from. 

It seems that a fair number of Liverpool fans turned up either without tickets or with fake tickets. We know that Celtic fans have rolled up at Tynecastle with cloned tickets, so let's not assume that those with fake tickets yesterday were all unaware that they were fake. Those involved in this type of practice have no concerns about the dangers that brings to other people.

The local authorities would have had to check validity of tickets well away from the stadium, but the manner in which they carried that out was outrageously dangerous, inept and provocative. They also seem to have had a flawed checking system which identified some genuine tickets as fake. Then for turnstiles within the secure area to remain closed for so long beggars belief.

This happened at a modern, built for purpose stadium, which should be laid out and organised for any big match. Any excuse about a lack of security due to the late switch of venue is lame. However, remember that only last year, a similar carry on happened at Wembley where some English fans forced their way into another modern, purpose built stadium. It doesn't look good that its happened again involving English fans.

The real shame is that, once again, innocent fans have suffered at the hands of, what looks like, a violent, indiscriminate Police response to a shambolic  situation they could not avoid being caught up in. 

Some good points but you fail to mention the significant trouble caused by local gangs before and after the game.

[Thomaso]

44 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Yeah. Consistent stories of bad experiences. Needs an honest investigation of why the crowds weren't getting in when Real Madrid fans got in with no problem.

 

But it's an interesting of the place of Liverpool in football that no one else really cares that much.  

 

 

Yes many felt the same after Hillsboro.

[Shooter McGavin]

Klopp seems to think that teams should just gift Liverpool goals, and if you don’t play football the way he does then you don’t deserve to win anything.

 

Goals win games, Jurgen.

[Mikey1874]

The Heysel disaster started from people without tickets breaking into the stadium. 

 

I'd guess the authorities here took the wrong attitude. Rather than just dealing with fake tickets they locked the whole thing down. 

 

They had a preconceived idea Liverpool fans were trouble. 

 

It makes no sense when that stadium holds big events perfectly and Madrid fans seemed to get in easily. 

[luckydug]

2 hours ago, ShadyAcres said:

I would get my facts right before posting pish. Educate yourself. 

Not sure what you are on about. 

I was being sarcastic hence the sarcastic smile. 

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Klopp seems to think that teams should just gift Liverpool goals, and if you don’t play football the way he does then you don’t deserve to win anything.

 

Goals win games, Jurgen.

 

He's messed things up by breaking up his solid front 3. It must still be confusing trying to play with Diaz, Mané, Salah then suddenly it's Jota, Mané, Salah then maybe Jota, Firmino, Salah. 

 

And somehow the players aren't playing the ball properly in front and wide areas under pressure. Klopp explained that very well after game. 

[Percival King]

There's an obvious desire to understand what happened outside the ground yesterday, what went wrong and what party, or parties, were to blame but, for me, it's much more important to get the truth in a week or a month than let an inaccurate version of events gain traction immediately. Hillsborough (eventually) taught many lessons, one of which was the misinformation, lies, cover-ups and misreporting that happens immediately after things go wrong and the damage that can do to revealing the truth.

[Thomaso]

10 minutes ago, Percival King said:

There's an obvious desire to understand what happened outside the ground yesterday, what went wrong and what party, or parties, were to blame but, for me, it's much more important to get the truth in a week or a month than let an inaccurate version of events gain traction immediately. Hillsborough (eventually) taught many lessons, one of which was the misinformation, lies, cover-ups and misreporting that happens immediately after things go wrong and the damage that can do to revealing the truth.

Unlike Hillsboro there will be hundreds of mobile phone footage showing exactly what happened - no hiding place for the police or some fans this time!

[WheatfieldWarrior]

I think the ticketing issue is one thing, but it looks like the Police plan was set up for a French international game rather than the stadium acting as a neutral venue.  that would explain the one-sided problems assuming Madrid had the home end.  Liverpool presumably got  the away end, with fans being funneled through a process that was designed to deal with 5k fans at most. 

[tian447]

12 hours ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

To play Devil's advocat on this, I purchased a genuine ticket from someone on here for the Scottish Cup Final. It would be hypocritical for me to criticise fans that bought tickets from 3rd parties that they may have thought were genuine from trying to get into the stadium.

 

To play devil's advocat on this, aren't all tickets non-transferable, so you can't have any complaints if you do buy one from a third party and they turn out to be hooky?

Edited May 29, 2022 by tian447

[Percival King]

12 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Unlike Hillsboro there will be hundreds of mobile phone footage showing exactly what happened - no hiding place for the police or some fans this time!

And such footage should be used to paint an accurate picture of what happened and who should be held to account.

[Thomaso]

14 minutes ago, tian447 said:

 

To play devil's advocat on this, aren't all tickets non-transferable, so you can't have any complaints if you do buy one from a third party and they turn out to be hooky?

That is the risk you take

[tian447]

7 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

That is the risk you take

 

Indeed and it's a risk that I have taken myself before, again through this forum.

 

I was shitting myself the whole way through thinking it wasn't going to scan at the gates

 

[SectionDJambo]

1 hour ago, Thomaso said:

Some good points but you fail to mention the significant trouble caused by local gangs before and after the game.

There definitely was a major impact on  the way the police reacted by the sudden appearance of local yobs at the stadium. Big events like this will attract trouble makers in any big city. Local police knowledge and intelligence usually can minimise this but the French authorities just started lobbing gas and sprays around anyone to combat it. Unacceptable, but nothing will be done about it.

I feel sorry for fans who just wanted to go and see their team play in a big game, only to get involved in shenanigans which seem to have been preventable with better planning and less pre conceived notions from the French police about English football fans.

A Sky reporter has just said that the Madrid fans had problems with the policing and organisation as well, though not with anything like the outcome Liverpool fans suffered.