Dazo Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, New Town Loafer said: Probably. Lib Dems, Tories and even Labour can watch a far-left run Edinburgh fall apart and say 'told you so'. Anything is surely better than the current council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Dazo said: Anything is surely better than the current council. It is the current council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 43 minutes ago, Dazo said: Anything is surely better than the current council. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Town Loafer Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Dazo said: Anything is surely better than the current council. A Green-SNP coalition would essentially mirror the current/previous council as the Labour group is very left-wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said: A Green-SNP coalition would essentially mirror the current/previous council as the Labour group is very left-wing. Not sure what's happening around the country this time. Since proportional representation parties have been pretty pragmatic about coalitions at local level. But if it's to become Independence versus Unionist groupings it might be more interesting. Edited May 10, 2022 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Nunya Business said: It is the current council. 1 hour ago, New Town Loafer said: A Green-SNP coalition would essentially mirror the current/previous council as the Labour group is very left-wing. Yeah apologies misread the post and thought we were heading for a Lib Dem/labour or Tory combo. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: Whether you like it or not, every SNP election triumph brings Scotland closer to independence. The thick can’t see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: Whether you like it or not, every SNP election triumph brings Scotland closer to independence. No. It shows that the other parties won't group together in elections. Different story on Indy vote. Nobody with half a brain would vote to make themselves worse off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, frankblack said: Nobody with half a brain would vote to make themselves worse off. There's a striking example of that very thing having happened quite recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, New Town Loafer said: A Green-SNP coalition would essentially mirror the current/previous council as the Labour group is very left-wing. Compared to how your politics come across, NTL, almost everyone is very left-wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: Whether you like it or not, every SNP election triumph brings Scotland closer to independence. Just because I stated a fact, do not assume I'm against Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: And we wouldn’t be worse off, and everyone knows that. If everyone knew it then Scotland would be independent already. 35 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: Look around you for examples that makes that statement nonsensical. There's a recent example of a situation where a bunch of folk said something strikingly similar that turned out to be nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, frankblack said: No. It shows that the other parties won't group together in elections. Different story on Indy vote. Nobody with half a brain would vote to make themselves worse off. You must of missed the general election vote and Brexit 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: Working class population voting Tory? BREXIT? Difficult to prove that when we have a pandemic, existing globalisation issues, and European war driving up inflation. 59 minutes ago, Hunky Dory said: And we wouldn’t be worse off, and everyone knows that. Look around you for examples that makes that statement nonsensical. How would you know - the SNP won't publish their independence proposals on currency, EU membership, hard border with UK etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, frankblack said: Difficult to prove that when we have a pandemic, existing globalisation issues, and European war driving up inflation. How would you know - the SNP won't publish their independence proposals on currency, EU membership, hard border with UK etc..... Hard border with the UK? What's that coming from? Why would we have a hard border with the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Smithee said: Hard border with the UK? What's that coming from? Why would we have a hard border with the UK? it could happen if there was a Yes. Its not impossible. However it would make sense for Scotland and England not to have one for many reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: it could happen if there was a Yes. Its not impossible. However it would make sense for Scotland and England not to have one for many reasons. There's absolutely no reason for us to assume it would happen, neither's a member of the EU. Edited May 10, 2022 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Smithee said: There's absolutely no reason for us to assume it would happen, neither's a member of the EU. Correct but if Scotland applied to join the EU it would need one as per Ireland using the Irish sea and affecting NI trade with UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Correct but if Scotland applied to join the EU it would need one as per Ireland using the Irish sea and affecting NI trade with UK. Which you lot keep telling us a) isn't going to happen b) if it does it's many years off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Smithee said: Hard border with the UK? What's that coming from? Why would we have a hard border with the UK? Main issue with current Government would be different immigration policies. But you can already travel freely from Ireland so that loophole already exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Main issue with current Government would be different immigration policies. But you can already travel freely from Ireland so that loophole already exists. Trade and tarriffs would kick in. The EU wouldn't want goods crossing borders without this. The Irish situation is different because their hard border is the Irish sea for all Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, frankblack said: Trade and tarriffs would kick in. The EU wouldn't want goods crossing borders without this. The Irish situation is different because their hard border is the Irish sea for all Ireland. What have the EU got to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Smithee said: What have the EU got to do with it? Try to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, frankblack said: Try to keep up. Neither Scotland not England are likely to be members of the EU on independence day so what are we talking about? Edited May 10, 2022 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Smithee said: Neither Scotland not England are likely to be members of the EU on independence day so what are we talking about? I’m not really sure Frank has a grasp of what’s going on in real time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 3 hours ago, frankblack said: Trade and tarriffs would kick in. The EU wouldn't want goods crossing borders without this. The Irish situation is different because their hard border is the Irish sea for all Ireland. the UK makes nowt nowaday Frank, it’s all imported from the EU, China or India. It comes in in English ports and transported up here for distribution. All Scotland has to do is open a couple of deep water ports. Ireland bypasses the UK now in its trade. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: I’m not really sure Frank has a grasp of what’s going on in real time. The current SG coalition have stated their wish to rejoin the EU. If England remains outside there will be a hard border if the current situation remains . It's a pertinent question to raise. You can't just ignore it or ask what the EU has to do with Scottish independence. Ignoring or dismissing such questions is as stupid as ignoring or dismissing the evident problems that were highlighted involving Ireland with brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, Smithee said: Neither Scotland not England are likely to be members of the EU on independence day so what are we talking about? The future trade with our biggest trading partner . And how that affects Scotland years after independence day. Really simple stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ked said: The future trade with our biggest trading partner . And how that affects Scotland years after independence day. Really simple stuff like that. Indeed, so what have the EU got to do with Frank expecting a hard border with the UK on independence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ked said: The current SG coalition have stated their wish to rejoin the EU. If England remains outside there will be a hard border if the current situation remains . It's a pertinent question to raise. You can't just ignore it or ask what the EU has to do with Scottish independence. Ignoring or dismissing such questions is as stupid as ignoring or dismissing the evident problems that were highlighted involving Ireland with brexit. The question at hand's about independence, an independent Scotland would decide democratically if it wants to join the EU, taking into account the relationship with England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Smithee said: Indeed, so what have the EU got to do with Frank expecting a hard border with the UK on independence? Eh? I'd have thought it was obvious. If we voted for independence and rejoined the EU then a hard border would exist under the current climate with England. Which is by far our biggest trading partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Ked said: Eh? I'd have thought it was obvious. If we voted for independence and rejoined the EU then a hard border would exist under the current climate with England. Which is by far our biggest trading partner. Rejoining the EU would be years down the line, especially according to every unionist on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Smithee said: The question at hand's about independence, an independent Scotland would decide democratically if it wants to join the EU, taking into account the relationship with England. Well saying as that's one of the main reasons for another referendum and the leader of the Government who happen to be the main thrust for independence has stated her wish to rejoin coupled with the fact 70% of the Scottish public voted to remain I'd say its very relevant. And merely dismissing Frank along with Spacey as not dealing in reality is ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: Rejoining the EU would be years down the line, especially according to every unionist on here Why do you try to affiliate unionist with leavers? The EU question in Scotland has different nuances to England. Scottish independence would in reality after a vote for it take years to untangle and the direction it takes would affect it greatly in regards to its economy . So Frank's question is one most Scots will consider. These questions cannot just be swept aside. There's a very recent example of not being prepared and ignoring very real obstacles. Brexit is a lesson to Scotland that untangling from a Union is no easy matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ked said: Why do you try to affiliate unionist with leavers? This is a conversation about independence, and Frank's brought up a hard border between Scotland and England. I'm saying it's not a fair assumption, EU membership would be years down the line if it happened at all. Our path post independence would be decided by the Scottish people so the only certainty is we wouldn't be a member upon independence so there's no reason to assume a hard border. Unionists tell us all the time it wouldn't be easy for Scotland to get back in to the EU and it would take time if we got in at all I haven't tried to affiliate unionists with leavers, I haven't mentioned, referred to, or even hinted at leavers. **** knows what you're on about, you're losing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Space Mackerel said: the UK makes nowt nowaday Frank, it’s all imported from the EU, China or India. It comes in in English ports and transported up here for distribution. All Scotland has to do is open a couple of deep water ports. Ireland bypasses the UK now in its trade. . The UK exported goods and services worth over £600bn last year. Telling lies doesn't actually convince people, that's basically the problem that your cause has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, pablo said: The UK exported goods and services worth over £600bn last year. Telling lies doesn't actually convince people, that's basically the problem that your cause has. He's talking about goods crossing borders. Pretty disingenuous to throw services in, especially with us being a service based economy, and call him a liar at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Mackerel Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 23 hours ago, Ked said: The current SG coalition have stated their wish to rejoin the EU. If England remains outside there will be a hard border if the current situation remains . It's a pertinent question to raise. You can't just ignore it or ask what the EU has to do with Scottish independence. Ignoring or dismissing such questions is as stupid as ignoring or dismissing the evident problems that were highlighted involving Ireland with brexit. Scotland leaves U.K. and automatically joins EU next min bantz. Brilliant chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Space Mackerel said: Scotland leaves U.K. and automatically joins EU next min bantz. Brilliant chat. Aye cos that's the chat. What a banger you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 14 hours ago, Smithee said: He's talking about goods crossing borders. Pretty disingenuous to throw services in, especially with us being a service based economy, and call him a liar at the same time. How about full of shit ? Go with that instead of liar ? Services includes many things of value . Manufacturing goods relies on cheap labour and lack of human rights in most cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Loads of anger on the posts today. Been directed at me too I feel once or twice. Chill out lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Ked said: How about full of shit ? Go with that instead of liar ? Services includes many things of value . Manufacturing goods relies on cheap labour and lack of human rights in most cases. I'm just saying it's bullshit to include services when talking about goods crossing borders 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Loads of anger on the posts today. Been directed at me too I feel once or twice. Chill out lads. There's a certain grrr in the air eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: There's a certain grrr in the air eh? There is… Needs some Marty Byrde levels of chill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Insert lads… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 22 hours ago, pablo said: Telling lies doesn't actually convince people, that's basically the problem that your cause has. Oh I'm not sure about that. It returned Johnson an 80 odd seat majority and keep guys like yourself right on the teat. Every day of life they're out there spewing absolute whoppers and the mugs keep lapping it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 00:27, Ked said: Brexit is a lesson to Scotland that untangling from a Union is no easy matter. Cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 SNP in Edinburgh open to a deal with Labour with a majority https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-council-coalition-talks-snp-group-leader-adam-mcvey-still-wants-to-renew-deal-with-labour-3690336 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: SNP in Edinburgh open to a deal with Labour with a majority https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-council-coalition-talks-snp-group-leader-adam-mcvey-still-wants-to-renew-deal-with-labour-3690336 McVey is an utter cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 6 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Oh I'm not sure about that. It returned Johnson an 80 odd seat majority and keep guys like yourself right on the teat. Every day of life they're out there spewing absolute whoppers and the mugs keep lapping it up. So, much like the SNP up here where they can do whatever they like without comeback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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