Wee Mikey Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said: I suppose the question is, if we want to close the gap, how would Rangers getting CL money help us do that? I'd say by bagging more points v teams other than the gruesome twosome plus, in terms of finance, stretching clearly ahead of H1b5 & Aberdeen. Meanwhile, regardless of how many Euro £££s the cheeks secure, they'll blow the lot cutting each others throats as per usual. Some of their expensive signings have been truly awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Maybe if they accept big brown envelopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 55 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I'm not on Twitter. What's the gist of it? We’re going to make some serious cash. It won’t mean we’re much closer to the OF but we’ll begin to dwarf the rest. I wasn’t too keen on the idea of the Conference league at first but it’s showing to be a real financial boost for many clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, hmfc_liam06 said: I suppose the question is, if we want to close the gap, how would Rangers getting CL money help us do that? First priority is to widen the gap to the others behind us. Gruesome twosome both in CL helps us do that, as we get 100% of EL cash, which helps us in the quest to get the groups again next season. We're a few years away from narrowing the gap to the weegies in any meaningful way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: I'm not on Twitter. What's the gist of it? The gist of it is "more European games = more tickets to sell for matches, more revenue from fans buying tickets, pies, drinks and merchandise at games, more appearance and prize money, more TV money, and Hearts are minted to the tune of £7 million assuming we manage to win and draw some of the group games" Summed up more or less in this tweet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, tian447 said: The gist of it is "more European games = more tickets to sell for matches, more revenue from fans buying tickets, pies, drinks and merchandise at games, more appearance and prize money, more TV money, and Hearts are minted to the tune of £7 million assuming we manage to win and draw some of the group games" Summed up more or less in this tweet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, tian447 said: The gist of it is "more European games = more tickets to sell for matches, more revenue from fans buying tickets, pies, drinks and merchandise at games, more appearance and prize money, more TV money, and Hearts are minted to the tune of £7 million assuming we manage to win and draw some of the group games" Summed up more or less in this tweet: £45 per match seems high to me. Need to be careful with ticket pricing for teams that aren’t maybe an attraction in themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdav Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: £45 per match seems high to me. Need to be careful with ticket pricing for teams that aren’t maybe an attraction in themselves Yes but he's including everything in that,food,merchandise,programmes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: I'm not on Twitter. What's the gist of it? It’s 17 tweets, basically we can make just shy of £8m if we do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, bigdav said: Yes but he's including everything in that,food,merchandise,programmes. Yep, but it’s still too high IMO. Depends how many attending have extra spend I suppose. I rarely do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Yep, but it’s still too high IMO. Depends how many attending have extra spend I suppose. I rarely do i reckon it's a reasonable average of match income; that £45 is estimated per head takings from a game, which is total takings divided by an attendance of 20000 (or 19900ish or whatever) - that includes ticket price (which I would guess to be Category A/around £30 for non-concessions), but also pies, club shop, hospitality takings, programmes etc. Personally I never spend £15 every home game on top of my ST, but I'm sure some people will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: i reckon it's a reasonable average of match income; that £45 is estimated per head takings from a game, which is total takings divided by an attendance of 20000 (or 19900ish or whatever) - that includes ticket price (which I would guess to be Category A/around £30 for non-concessions), but also pies, club shop, hospitality takings, programmes etc. Personally I never spend £15 every home game on top of my ST, but I'm sure some people will There’s no way of telling what the extra spend per attendee is but even if it’s as low as £3 average that’s still £60k in a full stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: There’s no way of telling what the extra spend per attendee is but even if it’s as low as £3 average that’s still £60k in a full stadium. I agree, although to be pedantic, there's no way of any of us on JKB telling what the extra spend is, but I'm sure the bean counters at the club are right on top of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, August Landmesser said: First priority is to widen the gap to the others behind us. Gruesome twosome both in CL helps us do that, as we get 100% of EL cash, which helps us in the quest to get the groups again next season. We're a few years away from narrowing the gap to the weegies in any meaningful way Rangers dropping to the EL really doesn't affect our cash as much as people seem to be suggesting. TV money isn't likely to be all that much anyway (I can't find figures but Scotland's % share of the deal will be tiny) so Rangers taking 40% of it is probably only going to make us lose out on a few hundred thousand. Money that would be nice to have but still a fraction of the other revenue we'll make. I'd almost rather they dropped down as us losing £400k or whatever is preferable to them gaining £20m+ and probably benefits the coefficient more as they'd just get pumped most weeks in the CL anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, August Landmesser said: First priority is to widen the gap to the others behind us. Gruesome twosome both in CL helps us do that, as we get 100% of EL cash, which helps us in the quest to get the groups again next season. We're a few years away from narrowing the gap to the weegies in any meaningful way It would be better for us to drop to conference league and sevco drop to europa. We got all the money for uecl and sevco miss out on CL money. That's assuming Utd. don't qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, XB52 said: It would be better for us to drop to conference league and sevco drop to europa. We got all the money for uecl and sevco miss out on CL money. That's assuming Utd. don't qualify I wouldn't necessarily say it would be better (as that means that we lost a winnable play-off) but it's certainly not a disaster if we end up in ECL - more chance of winning a few games, and yes, we get more cash. Deffo agree about not sharing the TV cash with sevco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: I wouldn't necessarily say it would be better (as that means that we lost a winnable play-off) but it's certainly not a disaster if we end up in ECL - more chance of winning a few games, and yes, we get more cash. Deffo agree about not sharing the TV cash with sevco! Agree not the best footballing wise, meant better on a purely financial basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, XB52 said: Agree not the best footballing wise, meant better on a purely financial basis 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, XB52 said: It would be better for us to drop to conference league and sevco drop to europa. We got all the money for uecl and sevco miss out on CL money. That's assuming Utd. don't qualify Nope. The Europa TV money isn't huge but the Conference TV money is absolutely tiny. 60% of the Europa money is still considerably more than 100% of the Conference. We'd likely have to win the majority of our games in the Conference groups to cancel out the drop in TV revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 23 hours ago, Cade said: "Old firm getting £30million each is great for Hearts because we get a few thousand more" baws tae that But what if they done so well that 3rd place ends up getting a Champions League qualifying spot? It isn’t as far off as you’d think. All it would take would be for both of them to get into the groups consistently, and then get to the knockouts once or twice over a 4-5 year period. Some would say it’s fanciful but it happened 10-15 years ago and these days there’s a lot more qualifying spots dished out. Ok it’d be the early rounds. But still. A crack at getting in the Champions League… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Jamboross said: Nope. The Europa TV money isn't huge but the Conference TV money is absolutely tiny. 60% of the Europa money is still considerably more than 100% of the Conference. We'd likely have to win the majority of our games in the Conference groups to cancel out the drop in TV revenue. Wow, just had a look at the TV money; quite a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: But what if they done so well that 3rd place ends up getting a Champions League qualifying spot? It isn’t as far off as you’d think. All it would take would be for both of them to get into the groups consistently, and then get to the knockouts once or twice over a 4-5 year period. Some would say it’s fanciful but it happened 10-15 years ago and these days there’s a lot more qualifying spots dished out. Ok it’d be the early rounds. But still. A crack at getting in the Champions League… Or even automatic group stage qualification for the Europa League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Or even automatic group stage qualification for the Europa League. Portugal are the country next in line above Scotland in the rankings, their top two are straight into the CL groups, and 3rd goes into the CL qualifier at the same stage that Rangers have this year (which effectively guarantees group stage EL). So, overtaking Portugal would seem to be the goal - they're nearly 12 co-efficient points ahead of Scotland just now though, so it'll take a bit of time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 4 hours ago, August Landmesser said: i reckon it's a reasonable average of match income; that £45 is estimated per head takings from a game, which is total takings divided by an attendance of 20000 (or 19900ish or whatever) - that includes ticket price (which I would guess to be Category A/around £30 for non-concessions), but also pies, club shop, hospitality takings, programmes etc. Personally I never spend £15 every home game on top of my ST, but I'm sure some people will I’ve never thought about it but two programmes, and probably £8-10 at the kiosk for drinks usually without even thinking about is nearly £20. If 5k do that it’s £100k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Watching Miko play for Zalgiris against Bodo 6-1 down Could still do a job for us 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elljay Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Jamboross said: Rangers dropping to the EL really doesn't affect our cash as much as people seem to be suggesting. TV money isn't likely to be all that much anyway (I can't find figures but Scotland's % share of the deal will be tiny) so Rangers taking 40% of it is probably only going to make us lose out on a few hundred thousand. Money that would be nice to have but still a fraction of the other revenue we'll make. I'd almost rather they dropped down as us losing £400k or whatever is preferable to them gaining £20m+ and probably benefits the coefficient more as they'd just get pumped most weeks in the CL anyway. In 2020/21 Rangers and Celtic shared an EL pool of 3.3 million euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, Elljay said: In 2020/21 Rangers and Celtic shared an EL pool of 3.3 million euros That's considerably more than I expected and if this year is anything similar makes getting past Zurich all the more lucrative regardless of where Rangers end up. Where did you find that figure? I spent ages weeks ago trying to find out what each country got as their pool share and couldn't find anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Can we offer the FOH Aug monthly contribution as a bonus payment split evenly between players for successfully reaching the Europa League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Jamboross said: That's considerably more than I expected and if this year is anything similar makes getting past Zurich all the more lucrative regardless of where Rangers end up. Where did you find that figure? I spent ages weeks ago trying to find out what each country got as their pool share and couldn't find anything! TV Money amount is based on a team’s coefficient. Both arse cheeks will have higher coefficients than us so will have qualified for more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory McNamara Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Compensation Conference League: Group Stage: 3 mil. $ Match won: 500 thous. $ Match drawn: 166 thous. $ First in Group Stage: 650 thous. $ Second in GS: 325 thous. $ Knockout round: 300 thous. $ Round of 16: 600 thous. $ UEFA Cup: Group Stage: 3 mil. 630 thous. $ Match won: 630 thous. $ Match drawn: 210 thous. $ First in GS: 1 mil. 100 thous. $ Second in GS: 550 thous. $ Knockout round: 500 thous. $ Round of 16: 1 mil. 100 thous. $ Some figures look similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory McNamara Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 AZ Alkmaar vs. Dundee United Wednesday, August 10th, 2022, AFAS Stadion, Alkmaar, NED The Kick-Off is at Twenty Hundred 222nd Day of the Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: TV Money amount is based on a team’s coefficient. Both arse cheeks will have higher coefficients than us so will have qualified for more It's not. There is a co-efficient payment that is based on how a teams co-efficient compares to others in the tournament, 32 teams in the competition, 32 rungs on the ladder. Last year each rung further up you were was worth an extra €132k, so the top ranked team (likely Man Utd this year) got €4.2m, the lowest (if we get in, probably us) just the €132k. That is entirely separate from the TV Pool money which is split on a proportional market size basis by the nations that have representatives in the group stage, then secondly by the teams from that nation based on how they qualified with cup winners taking a bigger share than those qualifying through league placing. I posted it on another thread but this UEFA document from last season explains it all pretty well https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0269-125fde34ba54-30a4c9aeea13-1000/20210520_circular_2021_35_en.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 So, some people would still want the mhanks to get all of the CL money to their stinking mhank selves, driving them way further ahead of all of us? I repeat: arse cheeks to split the money then pumped oot asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Right oot; 4th in group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The whole European money thing is completely f-d up. What's the justification for team number 1 to get £4m more than team number 32 when they're both at the same stage of the tournament? The global distribution of wealth in football needs complete overhaul. Re the Sectarian Firm, is there not an argument that them doing relatively well is what got us here, guaranteed group stage football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveandal Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Forrest said: The whole European money thing is completely f-d up. What's the justification for team number 1 to get £4m more than team number 32 when they're both at the same stage of the tournament? The global distribution of wealth in football needs complete overhaul. Re the Sectarian Firm, is there not an argument that them doing relatively well is what got us here, guaranteed group stage football. This was mentioned. I think on the B Team thread. At the moment, Scotland has probably gone as high as it can in the coefficients if it just had 2 teams collecting the points. If Celtic AND Rangers want guaranteed CL football they need a third Scottish team picking up points to close the gap on Portugal/Netherlands. In turn that means the 3rd team has an outside chance of CL football but probably guaranteed EL every year. We've seen this year Celtic and Rangers basically back our attempt to have a B Team.... I think we might be moving into a situation where we, still at a distance, could be useful to them. A bit like Sporting compared to Porto and Benfica, if you get what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Makes you a bit sick to be helping them, but us doing consistently well in Europe leads to that, then we just have to swallow that bitter pill. Or get ourselves into the position where we can snatch a CL place, but that feels a long way off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Cory McNamara said: AZ Alkmaar vs. Dundee United Wednesday, August 10th, 2022, AFAS Stadion, Alkmaar, NED The Kick-Off is at Twenty Hundred 222nd Day of the Year That game is tomorrow unless it’s been changed recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: That game is tomorrow unless it’s been changed recently It is and it’s on BBC Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DalryJambo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Forrest said: Makes you a bit sick to be helping them, but us doing consistently well in Europe leads to that, then we just have to swallow that bitter pill. Or get ourselves into the position where we can snatch a CL place, but that feels a long way off. I think the thing is the whole of Scottish football needs to work together for the greater good. Until that happens we'll never move forward. Basically we're f****d!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Daveandal said: This was mentioned. I think on the B Team thread. At the moment, Scotland has probably gone as high as it can in the coefficients if it just had 2 teams collecting the points. If Celtic AND Rangers want guaranteed CL football they need a third Scottish team picking up points to close the gap on Portugal/Netherlands. It's even more important this season than previous seasons that others contribute something just to maintain the current ranking. That ranking which is guaranteeing Hearts Euro football. Since there are now 5 teams entered compared to 4 in previous years even if the OF did well it would be watered down if no one else contributed. It's already watered down by Motherwell who will deduct a full 20% from the total points gained. While not even contributing a goal far less a point. Our most likely consistent source of co-efficient points is the OF. It's crucial just to maintain the current ranking and that's going to need help. Dundee United contributed. Well done. More so than ever before it's time to put away bias when it comes to Europe. We need every fraction of a point we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I see Qarabag, who just edged out Zurich, had another massive result in the Champs League play offs last night. Zurich is going to be a real test for us. Especially if no more signings by Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Booked up and hedged bets with a fiver on Linfield to qualify at 66/1 to cover the cost of the flights. Cannot wait now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbhmfc Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, loveofthegame said: Booked up and hedged bets with a fiver on Linfield to qualify at 66/1 to cover the cost of the flights. Cannot wait now. This is exactly what I did last week as well. £10 @ 50/1 covers the lost flight money and Belfast trip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1rousset Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, loveofthegame said: Booked up and hedged bets with a fiver on Linfield to qualify at 66/1 to cover the cost of the flights. Cannot wait now. Put a ten spot on linfield will cover me and my 2 lads flights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should’ve been 12! Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Does anyone know if the fixtures are announced straight after the playoffs draw on Friday August 26th? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 hours ago, We_are_the_Hearts said: I see Qarabag, who just edged out Zurich, had another massive result in the Champs League play offs last night. Zurich is going to be a real test for us. Especially if no more signings by Friday I'd love a RCB in before the qualifier. If not, I'd like to see Smith in there with Atkinson as the RWB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, It should’ve been 12! said: Does anyone know if the fixtures are announced straight after the playoffs draw on Friday August 26th? Thanks. Think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elljay Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 19 hours ago, Jamboross said: That's considerably more than I expected and if this year is anything similar makes getting past Zurich all the more lucrative regardless of where Rangers end up. Where did you find that figure? I spent ages weeks ago trying to find out what each country got as their pool share and couldn't find anything! Found it! Page 44 https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0275-151e1a55c231-ef1c32b881dc-1000/en_ln_uefa_financial_report_2020-2021.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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