OBE Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, henrysmithsgloves said: 🤣 Could always have a bake sale if times get tough Prigozhin's, nickname is "The Chef"...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 While this could potentially end the war I would bet there's a lot of apprehension going on in western and other governments right now. A complete collapse is not what we wanted. And it were to be a coup something like Prigozhin is also not what we wanted. This war has been a shit show with one twist after another from day one, that pattern is continuing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Deeds Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Fastest route to Moscow is via the toll road but that'll cost a few bob for all those tanks and troop carriers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: I know you're a bit of a student of these things, Jeffros, so where do you see this going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dirk McTarkin said: This is the worry. I don’t think it’s a worry at all really. The only thing that Putin has proven is that Russia has no conventional threat whatsoever . In open conflict with NATO with all assets brought to the front they wouldn’t last a week. There is no chance they take it further that that imo. Becuase they know they would be absolutely ****ed Edited June 24, 2023 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Is this a chance for Ukraine to make a big push or are they better sticking with relatively careful tactics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Prigozhin said the members of his Wagner forces, who have launched an armed rebellion, were “ready to die”, in a message posted to Telegram on Saturday morning. In a string of audio messages, the leader of the mercenary group vowed to topple Russia’s military leadership. “All of us are ready to die. All 25,000, and then another 25,000,” he said. “We are dying for the Russian people.” He also said: “We are saving Russia.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-russia-investigates-mutiny-as-wagner-chief-says-evil-military-leaders-must-be-stopped?page=with:block-6496af478f08c081c5bb773d#block-6496af478f08c081c5bb773d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 hours ago, JFK-1 said: Lots, it's not as insulated as Putin would like it to be. Hopefully you're right 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said: Fastest route to Moscow is via the toll road but that'll cost a few bob for all those tanks and troop carriers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Cade said: This is your best post for ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Is this a chance for Ukraine to make a big push or are they better sticking with relatively careful tactics? Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake Napoleon Dynamite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Putins days are coming to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sertse Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Biggest piece of banter from all this is that Russian frontlines are now almost completely cut off from resupply. Rumour is that British intelligence have advised the Ukrainians not to advance yet. Some channels are saying they're already on the outskirts of Bakhmut though. Intercepted comms from the 205th motor brigade say they're thinking of siding with Wagner. This is a once in a lifetime event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Cade said: I sadly had that as a message alert about 10 years ago on an old mobile phone. 😂 Used to get a laugh when it went off whilst in company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 It is possible the main Wagner actions basically assist Ukraine. The main risk to Putin by far remains a defeat by Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Some set of baws on the Wagner boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Sooperstar said: Some set of baws on the Wagner boy. People saying Friday night is always the best time in Russia to mount an attack. Because most people are blind drunk. Including the armed forces and especially in Moscow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sertse Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Is this a chance for Ukraine to make a big push or are they better sticking with relatively careful tactics? My opinion is they should very aggressively target logistical hubs and key cities. Russian troops are not in a good position at all now. An all out wide offensive is a waste of resources and manpower. They're already pushing towards Bakhmut, it's not unrealistic they could take Mariupol and push right up to the crossing with Crimea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sertse said: Intercepted comms from the 205th motor brigade say they're thinking of siding with Wagner. This is a once in a lifetime event. Probably a stupid idea to do it so soon. This is the land of subterfuge, and it could easily turn out to be... well, anything! Let them bash on with it for a while, and see where it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 If the Ukraine army could push forward and reclaim a major city like Mariupol. That would put almost insurmountable pressure on Putin. Obviously it isn't going to be simple or easy but there is a chance to create a snowball effect from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauld Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Sertse said: My opinion is they should very aggressively target logistical hubs and key cities. Russian troops are not in a good position at all now. An all out wide offensive is a waste of resources and manpower. They're already pushing towards Bakhmut, it's not unrealistic they could take Mariupol and push right up to the crossing with Crimea. Great minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sertse Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, tian447 said: Probably a stupid idea to do it so soon. This is the land of subterfuge, and it could easily turn out to be... well, anything! Let them bash on with it for a while, and see where it goes. Knowing Russia, things like this are all about momentum. Say Wagner is crushed, next thing to happen is trials and executions for anyone deemed disloyal or not loyal enough during the coup. The fact they're even talking about it means at the end they'll be put in prison or a ditch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 The Belgorod rebellion is still ongoing as well, mind. Everybody seems to have forgotten about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 On the face of it this looks almost suicidal for Prigozhin, unless he actually does have some sort of backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Commenting on Putin’s televised address, Yevgeny Prigozhin in an audio note said the president “was deeply mistaken” in calling him a traitor. “No one is going to turn themselves in at the request of the president … We don’t want the country to continue to live in corruption and lies,” he added. “We are patriots, and those who are against us are the ones who gathered around the *******s,” Prigozhin said. The audio message marks the first time that Prigozhin has directly spoken out against the Russian president. The former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev on Saturday called on Russians to rally around Putin. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-russia-investigates-mutiny-as-wagner-chief-says-evil-military-leaders-must-be-stopped?page=with:block-6496b8958f08c081c5bb777f#block-6496b8958f08c081c5bb777f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Great news. Rats killing rats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: On the face of it this looks almost suicidal for Prigozhin, unless he actually does have some sort of backing. I'd imagine Prigozhin knows more about the internal security situation in Russia, and his chances of success, than any of us on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, tian447 said: Probably a stupid idea to do it so soon. This is the land of subterfuge, and it could easily turn out to be... well, anything! Let them bash on with it for a while, and see where it goes. Let's hope it's not a put up job between Putin and Wagner Group but anything is possible in Russia - Ukraine will proceed with caution I would think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sertse Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Let's hope it's not a put up job between Putin and Wagner Group but anything is possible in Russia - Ukraine will proceed with caution I would think Wagner has shot down 4-5 helicopters and a transport plane, there's videos of Wagner in firefights with interior troops, looks to be very real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Russia coup: There aren't enough troops inside Russia to protect the Kremlin against Prigozhin "There are actually very few Russian troops in the interior of the country." Russia has 'overextended itself' in Ukraine to the point that they cannot maintain a defensive perimeter, says Gabriel Gavin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, micole said: That's what I was thinking, probably not as simple as that. Will just have to wait and see how it pans out. Maybe Ukraine forces are just lying back enjoying the sun before walking into Crimea. I sure hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Thread title change to Russia invades Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This is fairly funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Norm said: Thread title change to Russia invades Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Cade said: Brilliant😀😀 my favourite film of all time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Cade said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Ukraine needs to continue its probing along the front lines, but also look to use the events in Russia to mount an information campaign to persuade the Russians at the front to lay down their arms, or to retreat to their motherland and sort out their own civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Uprise in Belarus imminent too it seems. Calls to overthrow Lukashenko https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct3lzPpP0g9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sertse Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, RS86 said: Uprise in Belarus imminent too it seems. Calls to overthrow Lukashenko https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct3lzPpP0g9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== He's been propped up by Moscow for years. The Belarusian people seem to have been biding their time. I'd be keeping a very close eye on Chechnya and Dagestan as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Russia latest: Putin's soldiers might 'immediately surrender to Prigozhin' | Bill Browder "Prigozhin has a lot of credibility of being brutal and perhaps even more brutal than Putin." Bill Browder says Russian forces may 'immediately surrender' to Prigozhin, handing him the keys to Moscow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Pretty wild stuff, but lets see where things are in a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Prigozhin is a real life James Bond baddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 It's not a coup, it's a special operation. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Is this the turning point? Is there a genuine possibility of a coup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Russia Bombing their own Fuel/oil stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Victorian said: Russian army troops and commanders waving through Wagner seems like a fairly poor outlook for Putin. It's all about momentum now. The ideal situation for Prigozhin would be one or two military/political leaders coming out not necessarily in support for him but for an investigation into the realities of the "special military operation". If he doesn't get those, and/or a groundswell of Russian public support (which is unlikely as most folk know the repercussions of speaking out against the régime), his coup will amount to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 55 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Let's hope it's not a put up job between Putin and Wagner Group but anything is possible in Russia - Ukraine will proceed with caution I would think First thing that went through my mind too. Stage the whole thing to either lull Ukraine into launching a major offensive or more bizarrely it's an out for Putin by making himself out to be a moderate versus the absolute headbanger from the Wagner Group. Either that or Prigozhin is really going to take him out 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Is this the turning point? Is there a genuine possibility of a coup? Well aye. Prigozhin will have support of other Oligarchs and their PMC's as well as apparently the GRU which commands Intelligence & Special Forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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