Libertarian Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, Cranston said: Long time ago history doesn't legitimise Russia's invasion of Ukraine Libertarian. :Putin is killing and maiming ordinary citizens of Ukraine, how can you excuse that? The sooner Putin is stopped the better for everyone. He is on a rampage of killing and destruction. You are aware that American troops are in Syria? Are you aware of the CIA involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected Ukrainian President in 2014 and of the indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Donetsk and other Russian speaking cities between 2014 and 2022 which resulted in 14,000 deaths? I don't want to be insulting but I do find the level of ignorance of what has been going on in Ukraine extremely worrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Oh there is definitely a proxy war going on in Ukraine. Putin is trying to recreate the halcyon days of the USSR and miscalculated badly his armed forces ability to take Kyiv in a swift manner. I'll agree the expansion of Nato hasn't been helpful but a lot of it's been necessary considering the instability of Russian recent history. The proxy war was instigated by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, not the other way around though, that was my point. The war in Ukraine was Russia's fault alone, no one else's. It is their proxy war, not ours. Putin has seriously underestimated the West's determination and resolve, which is why they began threatening nuclear genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Libertarian said: You really have swallowed the BBC and establishment script book Ah right you are one of those.......I'll bet you don't pay your tv license? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/world/europe/russia-fsb-crime.html https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-1999-russian-apartment-bombings-led-to-putins-rise-to-power-2018-3 https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/foiled-attack-or-failed-exercise-look-ryazan-1999 Putin even praised the locals who caught the FSB agents. Apparently the FSB agents were on a drill exercise and the bombs contained sugar and not explosives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Libertarian said: You are aware that American troops are in Syria? Are you aware of the CIA involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected Ukrainian President in 2014 and of the indiscriminate shelling of civilians in Donetsk and other Russian speaking cities between 2014 and 2022 which resulted in 14,000 deaths? I don't want to be insulting but I do find the level of ignorance of what has been going on in Ukraine extremely worrying Of course I'm aware of the speculation. :So what is Russia's end game then? Putin has the taste for mayhem and destruction, what next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Ah right you are one of those.......I'll bet you don't pay your tv license? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/world/europe/russia-fsb-crime.html https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-1999-russian-apartment-bombings-led-to-putins-rise-to-power-2018-3 https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/foiled-attack-or-failed-exercise-look-ryazan-1999 Putin even praised the locals who caught the FSB agents. Apparently the FSB agents were on a drill exercise and the bombs contained sugar and not explosives. Sitting staring at the blank RT channel on his TV, eating unpeeled raw tatties and guzzling vodka, while shouting at his telly about the 'establishment'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertarian Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Everyone who knows anything about the conflict in Ukraine knows that Ukraine has already lost. You can almost smell the fear in western capitals, especially in Europe which stupidly rather than looking after its own interests and keeping good relations with Russia (DeGaulle must be turning in his grave) supported the interests of the US. Europe is now completely dependent on expensive energy from the US and suffering the economic consequences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Islamic State claiming responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, Cranston said: Of course I'm aware of the speculation. :So what is Russia's end game then? Putin has the taste for mayhem and destruction, what next? He’ll want assurances that NATO expansion is halted for any chance of this war, sorry Libertarian, special operation to end. You only had to watch his Tucker interview to see what he really wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, Libertarian said: Everyone who knows anything about the conflict in Ukraine knows that Ukraine has already lost. You can almost smell the fear in western capitals, especially in Europe which stupidly rather than looking after its own interests and keeping good relations with Russia (DeGaulle must be turning in his grave) supported the interests of the US. Europe is now completely dependent on expensive energy from the US and suffering the economic consequences You’ve been absolutely wrecked by Twitter Russian bots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: Islamic State claiming responsibility. What would their motive be? I know they sometimes claim attacks that they didn't carry out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, Libertarian said: Everyone who knows anything about the conflict in Ukraine knows that Ukraine has already lost. You can almost smell the fear in western capitals, especially in Europe which stupidly rather than looking after its own interests and keeping good relations with Russia (DeGaulle must be turning in his grave) supported the interests of the US. Europe is now completely dependent on expensive energy from the US and suffering the economic consequences Good relations with Russia would be brilliant Libertarian. However, until Russia transforms itself back into a civilised democracy it is virtually impossible. We all want peace with Russia, but Russia has to change into a peaceful neighbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: He’ll want assurances that NATO expansion is halted for any chance of this war, sorry Libertarian, special operation to end. You only had to watch his Tucker interview to see what he really wants. Thanks mate 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: What would their motive be? I thought they just liked killing folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranston Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 23 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Sitting staring at the blank RT channel on his TV, eating unpeeled raw tatties and guzzling vodka, while shouting at his telly about the 'establishment'. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 27 minutes ago, Libertarian said: Everyone who knows anything about the conflict in Ukraine knows that Ukraine has already lost. You can almost smell the fear in western capitals, especially in Europe which stupidly rather than looking after its own interests and keeping good relations with Russia (DeGaulle must be turning in his grave) supported the interests of the US. Europe is now completely dependent on expensive energy from the US and suffering the economic consequences Bring back any memories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: What would their motive be? I know they sometimes claim attacks that they didn't carry out. Muslims one of the minorities who complain for years about being discriminated against by Russia. Chechnya is Muslim so that's a long term grievance. Russia has helped Syrian Government kill a lot of Muslims including radical Islamic groups. Edited March 22 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Come home to get the news after watching football. But no, it's another story about a minor common medical condition some English woman is having to deal with. Incredible really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 What the hell is happening. BREAKING: 28 injured in Moscow shooting at emergency institute https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1771306756171300994?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Western Governments all condemning the attack and offering sympathy. Western intelligence agencies will be helping with any information. US backing the ISIS theory. Russia reportedly thwarted an ISIS attack earlier in the week. Could be the same people. Putin looking a bit stupid saying the US intelligence warning on ISIS was a Western con. Edited March 22 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 A bit of a poor indicator on Russian security forces and Police that the attackers got away. TV saying would be very low level security though reflecting that Moscow has been safe for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I'm wondering if this second attack is the same people on a suicide mission. And are they still on the loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: I'm wondering if this second attack is the same people on a suicide mission. And are they still on the loose. BBC not yet carrying this second attack and it’s not on the Sky News ticker tape Edited March 22 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 WARNING DISTRESSING CONTENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, JimmyCant said: BBC not yet carrying this second attack Yeah I noticed, I will believe it when they do post it but it's not unusual for them to be slow. Looking for verification I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 BBC saying a large fire has engulfed the roof of the concert hall complex. Bullets wont do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: BBC saying a large fire has engulfed the roof of the concert hall complex. Bullets wont do that. I think they covered this earlier saying the gunmen also had incendiary devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 31 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Come home to get the news after watching football. But no, it's another story about a minor common medical condition some English woman is having to deal with. Incredible really. Its disgusting. I can understand a lack of sympathy for anything Russian, but cmon, she doesn’t even actually have confirmed cancer ! She’s getting preventative precautionary treatment and she’s getting it months before any other young woman in the country would get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Its disgusting. I can understand a lack of sympathy for anything Russian, but cmon, she doesn’t even actually have confirmed cancer ! She’s getting preventative precautionary treatment and she’s getting it months before any other young woman in the country would get it Off topic, but that is really the main news story here. The waiting time discrepancy that tells you everything about our country. Given wall to wall on Gaza, don't understand why Moscow isn't the only story on the news. Edited March 22 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I’m now in my 70th year. I don’t think I’ve ever been so despairing about the state of the world in my lifetime. So many nutters with no compassion or respect for their fellow human beings. Including some governments. These nutters can spring up almost anywhere, anytime. Instead of pulling together to inspire peace on Earth for all, too many of those in positions of power just make the situation worse. Is there any hope for our planet and it’s inhabitants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: I’m now in my 70th year. I don’t think I’ve ever been so despairing about the state of the world in my lifetime. So many nutters with no compassion or respect for their fellow human beings. Including some governments. These nutters can spring up almost anywhere, anytime. Instead of pulling together to inspire peace on Earth for all, too many of those in positions of power just make the situation worse. Is there any hope for our planet and it’s inhabitants? We’re never getting peace on earth whilst the western superpower maurauds around the world robbing resources, installing friendly but corrupt governments they like and impoverishing the indigenous populations in the name of profits for their huge corporations No need to reply - Off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: We’re never getting peace on earth whilst the western superpower maurauds around the world robbing resources, installing friendly but corrupt governments they like and impoverishing the indigenous populations in the name of profits for their huge corporations No need to reply - Off topic So nothing to do with Russia bombing Syria and Ukraine (and previously Chechnya which it now rules in servitude). For example. You on 'all the West to blame for everything' hobby horse. Edited March 22 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: We’re never getting peace on earth whilst the western superpower maurauds around the world robbing resources, installing friendly but corrupt governments they like and impoverishing the indigenous populations in the name of profits for their huge corporations No need to reply - Off topic I respect your right to leave the topic. I can’t blame you, really. Whilst you make valid points, these atrocities are being targeted at governments, and especially their innocent citizens, no matter what their political persuasion. It’s just nuts. No excuses. Edited March 22 by SectionDJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 No reason to doubt IS claim - US official The US has no reason to doubt Islamic State's claim that it was behind the attack near Moscow. An unnamed official has told CBS, the BBC's US media partner, that the US provided intelligence to the Russian government - some of it very specific - about a potential attack under the Duty to Warn requirement. This is a non-binding obligation of American spy agencies, if they learn of planned attacks, to alert the intended targets. The source, said to be familiar with the intelligence, says there has been a steady stream of information dating back to November about IS wanting to strike in Russia. However, they did not know when the US formally warned the Kremlin about the attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 15 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: I can certainly confirm that South Thailand is currently rammed with Russian holidaying families -feckin thousands of them - you certainly wouldn't know they are at war Just the usual sullen guys and their sullen women with Daffy Duck lips - the plastic surgery economy there at least must be booming Pretty stereotypical take. I'm sure they speak highly of the Scottish visitors to South Thailand too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pap Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, JFK-1 said: What the hell is happening. BREAKING: 28 injured in Moscow shooting at emergency institute https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1771306756171300994?s=20 Dont think this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, Pap said: Dont think this is true. I have my doubts too, I was going to say the major players like BBC aren't reporting it and this would be major news, I don't know if Sky would qualify as a major player. BBC are one of the worlds most trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 18 minutes ago, Pap said: Dont think this is true. 10 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: I have my doubts too, I was going to say the major players like BBC aren't reporting it and this would be major news, I don't know if Sky would qualify as a major player. BBC are one of the worlds most trusted. Nope, nobody else is carrying this, and it's not on Sky News itself or on the website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: Nope, nobody else is carrying this, and it's not on Sky News itself or on the website. Peculiar. And I was thinking if Sky made an arse of themselves I doubt they would want to go back and talk about it, retract it, rather they might say nothing and hope not too many noticed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Peculiar. And I was thinking if Sky made an arse of themselves I doubt they would want to go back and talk about it, retract it, rather they might say nothing and hope not too many noticed it. The tweet was still up around the time I posted my message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Ulysses said: The tweet was still up around the time I posted my message. AI and Russian hackers 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Some of the videos on Twitter are hard to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Steamed live 5 hours ago, looks like one helluva fire they had going on, possibly still burning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 13 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: AI and Russian hackers 😉 Fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 hours ago, Libertarian said: Everyone who knows anything about the conflict in Ukraine knows that Ukraine has already lost. You can almost smell the fear in western capitals, especially in Europe which stupidly rather than looking after its own interests and keeping good relations with Russia (DeGaulle must be turning in his grave) supported the interests of the US. Europe is now completely dependent on expensive energy from the US and suffering the economic consequences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) From interviews with victims, it seems the fire at the concert hall was intended to kill everyone left inside the concert hall. The terrorists tried to lock everyone inside but couldn't do it. 93 dead, more expected. Edited March 23 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) Unconfirmed reports of arresting the suspects. Though doubt cast on that. One report that the Russians have blamed people who are already dead. Edited March 23 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) Edited March 23 by Pap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 hours ago, JFK-1 said: BBC are one of the worlds most trusted. Not in Scotland. (Sorry, off topic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Seen some of the videos doing the rounds… Holy shit…harrowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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