JudyJudyJudy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Rob from the wealthy. You're a clown. How do you think the wealthy become wealthy and stay wealthy. Do you think they 'work hard'. Or are you fears, your clients will have no money for you. A lot of wealthy people actually earned it ! Some inherited it . Don’t know . Don’t be envious . You live in paisley so your council tax will probably be as cheap as chips . Others isn’t . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JudyJudyJudy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: He's Corbyn AF though eh? Easy to pass judgment on raises on council tax if you pay nowt 17 minutes ago, ri Alban said: They use more of the services. Now feck up How do they use more of “ the services” they probably use less actually ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Oor tartan tories are aw oor the place still grieving for chief mammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Oor tartan tories are aw oor the place still grieving for chief mammy Oh tell me . Supporting hikes in taxes . Edited July 13, 2023 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Hopefully the guid Scottish electorate will show them the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Oor tartan tories are aw oor the place still grieving for chief mammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Just now, Smithee said: Tartan tories would be Scottish tory voters/naw voters. Scum in order words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Tartan tories would be Scottish tory voters/naw voters. Scum in order words. I don't know about that, some of them are just shiters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Smithee said: I don't know about that, some of them are just shiters Na, deliberate scumbaggery. Traitors. I'd have given the labour folk a pass, with the union thing, but after their team work with the tory, feck them. They're still in cahoots with the tory at council level. So I'll never vote Labour. I hope they get in at wm, for 2 reasons. 1. To end tory rule. 2. To show Scotland they don't give a shit about them either and we can get on with voting for our country back. Edited July 13, 2023 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 9 hours ago, kila said: Bands A-D won't see a rise. A lot of newer builds (even if built in 2000) are band E, even if valued £230k-£260k. However there's plenty old tenements in highly desired areas with 2 or 3 bedrooms, overall larger floor size than new builds, valued £300k+ but are band D so won't see a rise. In fact I saw one that is band C Council tax banding is completely ****ed for a lot of Edinburgh (and presumably Glasgow) and isn't reflective of property prices in 2023. They need to rip up the 1990s method and come up with a better system. Plenty high valued tenements and streets should be re-banded and that'd help plug a big hole in the finances instead of passing the buck to those who are in newer developments in the same ****ing street. You're spot on. We've waited over 14 years for the progressive Scottish government's alternative to council tax and the best they can come up with is whack massive % increases on folk in bands E to H because 'they must huv plenty of money coz they live in a dearer hoose' (deliberately said dearer as you've already pointed out the banding is so inconsistent and not even done on actual true value). I bought a 3 bed bungalow in the borders 8 years ago. A 4 bed one in the same street was purchased around the same time as I bought mine and it was valued at 54k more than my house. Its band E and I'm F. Queried with the council and, apparently my square footage on the building when measured on the outside, is bigger than the house that was bought for 54k more. Another thing I don't understand is the single person discount being 25%. When my wife was alive, we had 2 full time incomes coming into the house, now it's just mine yet I get a 25% discount on my council tax. I think it should be 50%, especially when you factor in that many households often have more than fulltime working adults in them. Between the huge gulf in income tax and this proposed council tax rise, I honestly can see me considering moving across the border in the future. Tin hat on for the 'aye, but we get phree prescripshuns and that eh' replies that will surely follow. Just tell that to my 8yr old daughter who's been getting 5 insulin injections per day since being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in Nov last year. She can't get an insulin pump in this shit show country the SNP have created yet her wee mate who was diagnosed a month after her, is getting his in August. He's in North Tees health board. My daughter will be lucky to get one by next August let alone this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Happily we got shot of our snp council . Lucky you,were paying more for less and less services. I've had to kick it up a notch to get the road drainage in my village unblocked,every one's blocked.🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, henrysmithsgloves said: Lucky you,were paying more for less and less services. I've had to kick it up a notch to get the road drainage in my village unblocked,every one's blocked.🤬 Pay more tax and it won't be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: What are you on about. Council tax goes to whatever council is running your area. Feck all to do with the Scottish government, tho they did freeze it for a good few years. When they lifted it, the tory, Labour and libdem run councils put it up 5% asap, whilst snp run councils kept them frozen. What are you on about it's the Scottish Government that puts out the suggestion for public consultation in the first instance snp froze the council tax as a tactitical ballot box incentive for votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Maroon Pound said: What are you on about it's the Scottish Government that puts out the suggestion for public consultation in the first instance snp froze the council tax as a tactitical ballot box incentive for votes Yep 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: Pay more tax and it won't be a problem. Paying top whack as it is,for less and less services year on year😥 fire service used to come round twice a year to check the function of the hydrants. Never been round in years,I hope there's not a fire😳 Edited July 13, 2023 by henrysmithsgloves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Scotland has gone down the stank since snp got its sleazy hands on power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Scotland has gone down the stank since snp got its sleazy hands on power Interesting contribution on a thread about inflation. Now if only there was a thread where you could fish for bites on the SNP soft lad.....🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 beat it guffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: Utter nonsense. Folk who have, have. It's the way it should be. They use more of the services. Now feck up. As for the envy. No-one is envious of any one. That's in your head. It's an Edinburgh thing, they seem to have a thing about Glasgow. And Glasgow couldn't give a feck what they do. It's very strange. Again, No-one is envious. People like fairness, why should people with, not pay the extra, Karen? Use more of the services? How do you come to that conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, Thunder and Lightning said: Use more of the services? How do you come to that conclusion? The wealthiest use services the least. No matter how you look at it A few years ago the NHS in glasgow cost so much to run it would have been cheaper to give the entire population private health care ( had they not been weegies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 6 hours ago, ri Alban said: Seems to believe it and I'm sure the folk in the bands who will have 20% increase can afford it. The rest will be about 5%. Yup all those old buggers that are property rich but cash poor will be able to afford it no bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: The wealthiest use services the least. No matter how you look at it A few years ago the NHS in glasgow cost so much to run it would have been cheaper to give the entire population private health care ( had they not been weegies) Agreed, more nonsense from the resident steamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 19 hours ago, ri Alban said: Pay more tax and it won't be a problem. The government already takes as much of what I earn as i do. They want more? What for ? foreign embassies, kiddy on ferries with painted on windows and baby boxes that get thrown out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: The government already takes as much of what I earn as i do. They want more? What for ? foreign embassies, kiddy on ferries with painted on windows and baby boxes that get thrown out? Its been a while since we've had one of these posts. Lots of people pay a lot of tax and NI and VAT and council tax that they rather they didn't have to. Dry your eyes or find the utopia that doesn't tax you or have the audacity to ask you to contribute to the local services you use. Is Berwick still the low tax haven for disgruntled Scottish high rollers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Its been a while since we've had one of these posts. Lots of people pay a lot of tax and NI and VAT and council tax that they rather they didn't have to. Dry your eyes or find the utopia that doesn't tax you or have the audacity to ask you to contribute to the local services you use. Is Berwick still the low tax haven for disgruntled Scottish high rollers? Socialism for the debt, capitalism for the profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Three working adults in a D band property. Two in an E band property, which are by no means rich people's houses, both in the same street. The same services used less by the e band residents. How the feck is a higher percentage fair? I already pay £120 a month more than the same sized house 30 feet away. Joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, tightrope said: Three working adults in a D band property. Two in an E band property, which are by no means rich people's houses, both in the same street. The same services used less by the e band residents. How the feck is a higher percentage fair? I already pay £120 a month more than the same sized house 30 feet away. Joke. Dry your eyes, broadest shoulders , capitalist , Tory etc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, doctor jambo said: Dry your eyes, broadest shoulders , capitalist , Tory etc etc etc You're greeting your eyes about having to pony up. We all do. It's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 hours ago, tightrope said: Three working adults in a D band property. Two in an E band property, which are by no means rich people's houses, both in the same street. The same services used less by the e band residents. How the feck is a higher percentage fair? I already pay £120 a month more than the same sized house 30 feet away. Joke. It's very inconsistent. A colleague has just bought a 3 bed tenement in Stockbridge for £325k. Council tax band C. If the council want to plug holes in their budgets there's likely a significant number of properties that are in bands way too low. Rather than raising the highest bands, they should sort that out instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That thing you do Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, kila said: It's very inconsistent. A colleague has just bought a 3 bed tenement in Stockbridge for £325k. Council tax band C. If the council want to plug holes in their budgets there's likely a significant number of properties that are in bands way too low. Rather than raising the highest bands, they should sort that out instead. Yep. My mum has a 2 bed bungalow in a higher band than new build 4 and 5 beds along the road which seems very odd to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You're greeting your eyes about having to pony up. We all do. It's life. Since the UK became a bloated nanny state, it’s become a progressive slide into making as many people state dependent as possible. I can walk into a shop, look at what’s on offer and decide if that is worth my money . Tory party “ tax more, spend more, I know it’s hurting, keep giving us more money and we’ll get through this- just keep suffering, we know best” SNP “tax more, spend more, I know it’s hurting , keep giving us more money and we’ll get through this- just keep suffering , we know best” the state should be contracting in line with what we are all having to do. stopping the pointless shit it can’t afford. We all have, but the state won’t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Since the UK became a bloated nanny state, it’s become a progressive slide into making as many people state dependent as possible. I can walk into a shop, look at what’s on offer and decide if that is worth my money . Tory party “ tax more, spend more, I know it’s hurting, keep giving us more money and we’ll get through this- just keep suffering, we know best” SNP “tax more, spend more, I know it’s hurting , keep giving us more money and we’ll get through this- just keep suffering , we know best” the state should be contracting in line with what we are all having to do. stopping the pointless shit it can’t afford. We all have, but the state won’t? Ah the small state oft cherished of the self-servative types. It's worked really well for water. And energy. And rail. Oh and they'll apply it to the NHS once they've strangled it to life support. Give your head a wobble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said: Ah the small state oft cherished of the self-servative types. It's worked really well for water. And energy. And rail. Oh and they'll apply it to the NHS once they've strangled it to life support. Give your head a wobble. I’m not talking about that . As you well know. and yes - the nhs is bloated and ungainly - management heavy . Energy and rail. well, rail is shite, expensive and refusing to modernise . it’s not private enough, frankly. energy is also that odd mix of private but subsidised and controlled , whilst govt stops hydrocarbon exploration , fracking etc so the private bit is shackled by state policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I’m not talking about that . As you well know. and yes - the nhs is bloated and ungainly - management heavy . Energy and rail. well, rail is shite, expensive and refusing to modernise . it’s not private enough, frankly. energy is also that odd mix of private but subsidised and controlled , whilst govt stops hydrocarbon exploration , fracking etc so the private bit is shackled by state policy 😂 It's the Tufton Street bingo card of free market economics. Your thinking and logic is precisely what enabled Truss and Kwarteng to run up £70 billion in a weekend, trash the UKs pensions and fire up our interest rates to amongst the highest in Europe. Ach well we've at least established your 'doctorate' isn't in economics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: 😂 It's the Tufton Street bingo card of free market economics. Your thinking and logic is precisely what enabled Truss and Kwarteng to run up £70 billion in a weekend, trash the UKs pensions and fire up our interest rates to amongst the highest in Europe. Ach well we've at least established your 'doctorate' isn't in economics. Because continually borrowing, continually hiking taxes and also applying fiscal drag , constantly increasing national debt as well - that is a sustainable policy❤️🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Because continually borrowing, continually hiking taxes and also applying fiscal drag , constantly increasing national debt as well - that is a sustainable policy❤️🙃 Well the Conservative party enacted austerity, which filleted out the 'inefficient' public services, and yet despite this policy of being fiscally cautious we've ended up with a debt to GDP ratio of over 100%. Its almost like they've got no idea what they're doing and this 'letting the market decide' ideology is economic lunacy. Anyway much tears and many snotters because we're all having to face the reality that the economic policy decisions of the last 13 years have left the piggy bank empty and councils stretched beyond their limit that tax rises, in this case council tax, are inevitable. Sorry to break it to you but there will be no tax giveaway before the next GE and more likely tax increases to fill the holes left by blindly following Tory economic doctrine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Well the Conservative party enacted austerity, which filleted out the 'inefficient' public services, and yet despite this policy of being fiscally cautious we've ended up with a debt to GDP ratio of over 100%. Its almost like they've got no idea what they're doing and this 'letting the market decide' ideology is economic lunacy. Anyway much tears and many snotters because we're all having to face the reality that the economic policy decisions of the last 13 years have left the piggy bank empty and councils stretched beyond their limit that tax rises, in this case council tax, are inevitable. Sorry to break it to you but there will be no tax giveaway before the next GE and more likely tax increases to fill the holes left by blindly following Tory economic doctrine. I know this. it’s blindingly obvious. however, at a time of inflation , rising interest rates and falling disposable incomes, is this the time to continually hike tax bills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I know this. it’s blindingly obvious. however, at a time of inflation , rising interest rates and falling disposable incomes, is this the time to continually hike tax bills? They're having to raise tax bills because of inflation, interest rates and the economic illiteracy that's turbo charged the first two. It'll get worse before it gets much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: I know this. it’s blindingly obvious. however, at a time of inflation , rising interest rates and falling disposable incomes, is this the time to continually hike tax bills? When the tories came to power the national debt was just over a trillion pounds, it's fast approaching 3 trillion now. https://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/ And where's that money gone? The poor, the sick, the unemployed and the lower working classes have been getting hammered, infrastructure left to rot, money channeled via London to the richest of pockets. Make no mistake, the shit times are here to stay, the Tories' mess isn't going to clean itself up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 hours ago, doctor jambo said: The government already takes as much of what I earn as i do. They want more? What for ? foreign embassies, kiddy on ferries with painted on windows and baby boxes that get thrown out? How is the money for your wages raised ‘doctor’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, FWJ said: How is the money for your wages raised ‘doctor’? Depends how you look at it . in this country we are underpaid. And , as the BMA point out, have suffered massive wage degradation . I blame the BofE, the markets and the banks in particular. everything is geared to the money markets making money. that is all . nobody else matters. London matters nothing else Until that is broken we are all rubber ducked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 minute ago, doctor jambo said: Depends how you look at it . in this country we are underpaid. And , as the BMA point out, have suffered massive wage degradation . I blame the BofE, the markets and the banks in particular. everything is geared to the money markets making money. that is all . nobody else matters. London matters nothing else Until that is broken we are all rubber ducked Well that simply isn't going to change within the union. But you're right, the rot's creeping up the social strata, and it's not going to stop soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Depends how you look at it . in this country we are underpaid. And , as the BMA point out, have suffered massive wage degradation . I blame the BofE, the markets and the banks in particular. everything is geared to the money markets making money. that is all . nobody else matters. London matters nothing else Until that is broken we are all rubber ducked And how is the money for your wages - and mine until 2 years ago - raised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, FWJ said: And how is the money for your wages - and mine until 2 years ago - raised? Various countries do it different ways. As you know. UK reliance on sourcing cheap labour and thus keeping dr/nurse/ physio pay low by importing from the developing world is now imploding as the immigrants emigrate for better money and conditions, as do our own staff. our socialist healthcare model doesn’t work . It is underfunded as it does not operate in a vacuum- it’s an international labour market, and the UK is losing. Who funds me? I do. my tax bills = my take home roughly so I pay for myself 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Various countries do it different ways. As you know. UK reliance on sourcing cheap labour and thus keeping dr/nurse/ physio pay low by importing from the developing world is now imploding as the immigrants emigrate for better money and conditions, as do our own staff. our socialist healthcare model doesn’t work . It is underfunded as it does not operate in a vacuum- it’s an international labour market, and the UK is losing. Who funds me? I do. my tax bills = my take home roughly so I pay for myself 👍 🤣 You’re not a doctor of maths, are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: Various countries do it different ways. As you know. UK reliance on sourcing cheap labour and thus keeping dr/nurse/ physio pay low by importing from the developing world is now imploding as the immigrants emigrate for better money and conditions, as do our own staff. our socialist healthcare model doesn’t work . It is underfunded as it does not operate in a vacuum- it’s an international labour market, and the UK is losing. Who funds me? I do. my tax bills = my take home roughly so I pay for myself 👍 You can take out BUPA membership. You're not restricted to "socialist healthcare". But then your "tax bills" don't fund the kind of NHS we'd all like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, FWJ said: 🤣 You’re not a doctor of maths, are you? He's not a doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: He's not a doctor. A strange thing for one who affects to despise pomposity too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FWJ said: A strange thing for one who affects to despise pomposity too. I think the "doctor" affectation is an ironical reference to his distaste for the NHS which he's been very critical of many times on here. The kind of guy who wants Scandinavian levels of healthcare and also wants "Rishi Sunak" levels of taxation. *Sunak pays an effective tax rate of 26%. Edited July 14, 2023 by periodictabledancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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