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2 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

Or both called Chris.......

 

Anyway do not think names flash up on the hand held checking devices do they?  Thought it just beeped?

 

Not really sure it's the place of stewards to be questioning what people's names are. Unless you're presenting your season ticket at the same time with a different name on it 😂

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2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Not really sure it's the place of stewards to be questioning what people's names are. Unless you're presenting your season ticket at the same time with a different name on it 😂

Yes and what about if you guys identify as a female lol 

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15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Not really sure it's the place of stewards to be questioning what people's names are. Unless you're presenting your season ticket at the same time with a different name on it 😂

 

Some overseas places demand proof of Id to correlate with the vaccine passport.  Its the only workable way as these printed or downloaded certificates could easily be faked by any semi computer-literate person.

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

Some overseas places demand proof of Id to correlate with the vaccine passport.  Its the only workable way as these printed or downloaded certificates could easily be faked by any semi computer-literate person.

 

Indeed they do. There's no legal requirement in the UK to carry ID though I don't think, nor do we have ID cards.

 

I don't think they'll be that easily faked due to the QR codes, but people could easily use other people's codes I think.

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21 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Not really sure it's the place of stewards to be questioning what people's names are. Unless you're presenting your season ticket at the same time with a different name on it 😂

Aye they could do it that way but what a flaff that would be and then as always the stewards, the lowest paid would get all the hassle.  I just cannot see this working fully as it should.  The majority will do the right thing but we all know that there will be folk who will just be pains and be awkward.  10 minutes before kick off and folk will be getting waved through, especially any at any evening games when it is cold, folk are rushing from work and a few beers have been taken.

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2 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

Some overseas places demand proof of Id to correlate with the vaccine passport.  Its the only workable way as these printed or downloaded certificates could easily be faked by any semi computer-literate person.

Wouldn t this semi computer-literate person be able to fake a certificate that matched his or her id? Asking as a computer-illiterate.

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8 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Wouldn t this semi computer-literate person be able to fake a certificate that matched his or her id? Asking as a computer-illiterate.

 

Depends on how devices/apps work that scan them, doesn't it?

 

The actual certificate can be edited and names changed.

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Watch it , the vaccine zealots will argue for a stamp on our fore  heads next to ensure there is no deception ! 

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8 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

It resulted in quite severe technical problems at Wimbledon and ended with people just being waved into centre court.

Not when I was there....everyone had to prove negative test and were given a wristband on entry....no wristand, no get in.

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12 minutes ago, Gards said:

Not when I was there....everyone had to prove negative test and were given a wristband on entry....no wristand, no get in.

 

That's good 👍👍

 

We had issues along with everyone else in the corridor re-entering the stands after leaving for a drink/toilet/between matches, as did our friends who attended on another day.

 

For clarity I'm not talking about getting the wristbands I'm talking about having to pull up your court tickets on the Wimbledon app they'd introduced as part of their 'safety protocols'. When we had to show it to get the wristbands there wasn't much of a crowd built up yet so worked okay and people are more dispersed.

 

The issue isn't the Covid app, or what people are checking your phone for, it's thousands of people accessing data networks all at once in a confined area. Covid app or ticket, if enough people are doing it at 1445-1500 on a matchday it'll cause serious issues for people getting it loaded up.

 

If Hearts set up an outer perimeter like exists at Wimbledon for the Covid checks and then use the physical tickets at the turnstiles around the grounds then it'll probably work quite well. If they try and get people to pull up their passes in big queues at the turnstiles it may not be so slick.

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On 10/09/2021 at 17:18, Awbdy Oot said:

 

 

 

Your life might not be impacted but I'm pretty sure anyone who chooses to not be vaccinated will have their life affected to some degree.

Oh well. Their choice. 

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1 hour ago, frankblack said:

 

Depends on how devices/apps work that scan them, doesn't it?

 

The actual certificate can be edited and names changed.

Don't ask me. But if I understand your reply then having to show your id would not prevent fake vaccination passports and certificates from being created. And used.

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Its the QR code which is the important part of vaccine passport. Thats contains the info, that is then accessed, that cannot be edited as far as I’m aware.

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18 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Don't ask me. But if I understand your reply then having to show your id would not prevent fake vaccination passports and certificates from being created. And used.

 

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Its the QR code which is the important part of vaccine passport. Thats contains the info, that is then accessed, that cannot be edited as far as I’m aware.

 

I don't know how exactly this can be implemented in the absence of a national Id card.  If you got your mate's vaccine passport you could say that is you.

 

To be foolproof an app would need to return some form of photo but that only exists for photo driving licences and there may be legal issues hooking into that database.

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3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

 

I don't know how exactly this can be implemented in the absence of a national Id card.  

 

I wonder what might be on the horizon..?

 

 

3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

If you got your mate's vaccine passport you could say that is you.

 

To be foolproof an app would need to return some form of photo but that only exists for photo driving licences and there may be legal issues hooking into that database.

 

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Could the QR code not have you name imbedded in it, precisely to prevent people using someone's else's QR code.

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16 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Could the QR code not have you name imbedded in it, precisely to prevent people using someone's else's QR code.

 

But how can the security person confirm your identity?

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6 hours ago, milky_26 said:

just like the flu vaccine lots of people get every year, or is that some sort of government control (not aimed at you bindy)

No-one is compelled to have a flu jab or required to prove they have had one in going about their normal lives. I have never had a flu jab not because I am an anti-vaxxer but because I am pretty fit for my age and have as far as I am aware no underlying health problems. I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a doctor. Flu may kill me but if it does it surely beats years of dementia in a nursing home. I eagerly got my Covid vaccinations because it makes sense in a pandemic of a new and rapidly mutating virus that nobody knows much about. But it seems to.me that there is a danger that we will have to.live with controls and restrictions indefinitely. Which has not been the case with comparable pandemics in the past.

 

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27 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

 

I don't know how exactly this can be implemented in the absence of a national Id card.  If you got your mate's vaccine passport you could say that is you.

 

To be foolproof an app would need to return some form of photo but that only exists for photo driving licences and there may be legal issues hooking into that database.

 

People will always find a way around a system, if they are motivated enough. 

 

It doesn’t need to be fool proof, its about impacting change through the majority, not the minority. Its easier getting the jab, that faking the system in reality. Your average 20 something who has been a bit hesitant for whatever reason, is a lot more likely to get jabbed up to go on holiday, football, nightclub etc that go to all the effort of finding a work around. You mind me to be do get round system on a one -off type situation but long terms it will become impracticable 

 

The majority of people will obey the rules, focusing on the exception is probably the wrong place to look. We’ve seen the effect in other countries of introducing these measure and it has significantly increased uptake.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

But how can the security person confirm your identity?

 

Easy, via their scanner, surely if it's all a government plot to control us, then the QR code will match the Gates microchip in the vaccine, if it doesn't it'll self-destruct and vaporize, you along with it.

 

:conspiracy:

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10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

No-one is compelled to have a flu jab or required to prove they have had one in going about their normal lives. I have never had a flu jab not because I am an anti-vaxxer but because I am pretty fit for my age and have as far as I am aware no underlying health problems. I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a doctor. Flu may kill me but if it does it surely beats years of dementia in a nursing home. I eagerly got my Covid vaccinations because it makes sense in a pandemic of a new and rapidly mutating virus that nobody knows much about. But it seems to.me that there is a danger that we will have to.live with controls and restrictions indefinitely. Which has not been the case with comparable pandemics in the past.

 

Good post 

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2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Watch it , the vaccine zealots will argue for a stamp on our fore  heads next to ensure there is no deception ! 

 

Been a while since anyone's stamped on my forehead.

 

Parkhead, I think it was.

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59 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Its the QR code which is the important part of vaccine passport. Thats contains the info, that is then accessed, that cannot be edited as far as I’m aware.

I'd imagine that, like most tech fraud, it'll be carried out by the better connected and better off with something to hide, i.e. top of the chain drug dealers and arms traders. 

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9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

People will always find a way around a system, if they are motivated enough. 

 

It doesn’t need to be fool proof, its about impacting change through the majority, not the minority. Its easier getting the jab, that faking the system in reality. Your average 20 something who has been a bit hesitant for whatever reason, is a lot more likely to get jabbed up to go on holiday, football, nightclub etc that go to all the effort of finding a work around. You mind me to be do get round system on a one -off type situation but long terms it will become impracticable 

 

The majority of people will obey the rules, focusing on the exception is probably the wrong place to look. We’ve seen the effect in other countries of introducing these measure and it has significantly increased uptake.

 

 

Just because other countries have done it doesn’t mean to say it’s right , morally or ethically . The media reports are yet again stigmatising young people and colluding with the Govt in coercive and blackmail of them into getting a vaccine which has almost zero health positives for them .couple horrible reports on that dire “ Edinburgh live “ site about queues outside clubs  last night in Edinburgh . Looking to label young people as irresponsible 

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4 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Been a while since anyone's stamped on my forehead.

 

Parkhead, I think it was.

And why am I not surprised at that knowing your aversion to all things Celtic ! 😎

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3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'd imagine that, like most tech fraud, it'll be carried out by the better connected and better off with something to hide, i.e. top of the chain drug dealers and arms traders. 

So no one on this then ? 😎

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2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

And why am I not surprised at that knowing your aversion to all things Celtic ! 😎

 

It was Celtic's aversion to me that was the problem on this occasion, james.

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6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

So no one on this then ? 😎

I'm deep undercover. 

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2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'm deep undercover. 

😂😂 stop trying to make yourself seem interesting 😂😎

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10 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

It was Celtic's aversion to me that was the problem on this occasion, james.

I can understand that 😂

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9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Just because other countries have done it doesn’t mean to say it’s right , morally or ethically . The media reports are yet again stigmatising young people and colluding with the Govt in coercive and blackmail of them into getting a vaccine which has almost zero health positives for them .couple horrible reports on that dire “ Edinburgh live “ site about queues outside clubs  last night in Edinburgh . Looking to label young people as irresponsible 

 

Right or wrong, morales and ethics are a very individual thing. So best to leave the hyperbole alone as people are operating in a manner they believe to believe ‘best’’. 

 

There is a reason multiple countries have or are looking to introduce these measures. You know what they are, you’re not stupid. Its not to demonise young people, it’s it?

 

One mans ‘blackmail; is another's ‘behavioural management’ . This is all aimed at increasing vaccination rates and as you grudgily concede it has health benefits, albeit on a small margin., for the ‘younger’ age groups. Why wouldn’t we encourage marginal benefits when it save life’s, pressure on NHS etc etc.

 

You don’t eat a elephant in one bite😀

 

**** me people had to queue to get into a nightclub, the indignity. That would never have happened pre COVID😂 

 

Unfortunately, young people have been getting labelled irresponsible since time began in the media.  It appeals to people who like to get all righteous and blame people for stuff. You not read JKB🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I don’t even agree with the principal of the passports, but the misrepresentation of their purpose and intent is laughable. 

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55 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Easy, via their scanner, surely if it's all a government plot to control us, then the QR code will match the Gates microchip in the vaccine, if it doesn't it'll self-destruct and vaporize, you along with it.

 

:conspiracy:

:lol:

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21 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Right or wrong, morales and ethics are a very individual thing. So best to leave the hyperbole alone as people are operating in a manner they believe to believe ‘best’’. 

 

There is a reason multiple countries have or are looking to introduce these measures. You know what they are, you’re not stupid. Its not to demonise young people, it’s it?

 

One mans ‘blackmail; is another's ‘behavioural management’ . This is all aimed at increasing vaccination rates and as you grudgily concede it has health benefits, albeit on a small margin., for the ‘younger’ age groups. Why wouldn’t we encourage marginal benefits when it save life’s, pressure on NHS etc etc.

 

You don’t eat a elephant in one bite😀

 

**** me people had to queue to get into a nightclub, the indignity. That would never have happened pre COVID😂 

 

Unfortunately, young people have been getting labelled irresponsible since time began in the media.  It appeals to people who like to get all righteous and blame people for stuff. You not read JKB🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I don’t even agree with the principal of the passports, but the misrepresentation of their purpose and intent is laughable. 

Yes we all have different perspectives on it all . 

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7 hours ago, SteauaNeedarest said:

That’s UK government now scrapping the vaccine passports idea for the time being. Scottish government approach again more stringent than English -https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-vaccine-passports-scrapped-for-winter-5g2fdb2zn

 

I'll wait and see what he announces but if we were to 'live with it' as was, in a backdrop of 100k cases per day projections of certainty, then really having between 30-40k suggests nothing needs curbed and that the public have done their bit.

 

Unless we get 100k+ cases per day then I think they'll be hard pushed to find support for the reintroduction of measures. 

 

They've achieved what they wanted and to reintroduce any restrictions would be simply to now try and achieve a different goal and they should be told where to go if they opt for that.

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Thailand's pandemic started around the same time as their vaccine rollout as pointed out by UK Column. 

 

Hands up for a booster? 🙋

 

 

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34 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Thailand's pandemic started around the same time as their vaccine rollout as pointed out by UK Column. 

 

Hands up for a booster? 🙋

 

 

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Wow. That's a really serious case of confirmation bias. I hope you and all the folks at UK Column get through it.

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1 hour ago, LMc said:

 

Wow. That's a really serious case of confirmation bias. I hope you and all the folks at UK Column get through it.

:lol:

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On 13/09/2021 at 15:24, thewiseone said:
On 10/09/2021 at 09:00, Back to 2005 said:

Tolerate this...

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Article is behind a pay wall. Can anyone provide a link to the study cited in the article?

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30 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Thanks for the link. Link to the paper the article is based on here.

 

The following isn't aimed at you Jambo-Jimbo.

 

Couple of things jump straight out at me. It's a pre-print, which means that it hasn't been through the review process yet. The methodolgy may be sound or it may be bullshit. We'll need to wait for other virologists to take a look at it before we know. My gut feeling is that the methodology is ropey as it is based on reports to VAERS. Pretty much anyone can submit a report to VAERS. To highlight the absurdity of the system a anesthesiologist submitted a report claiming that a vaccine turned him into the Hulk. There are concerns that the system is being targeted by anti-vaxxers.

 

There may be something to do or there may not but, I don't think this is particularly credible at the moment. This should highlight why it is important to go to the original source rather than just reading a newspaper headline.

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4 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

Thanks for the link. Link to the paper the article is based on here.

 

The following isn't aimed at you Jambo-Jimbo.

 

Couple of things jump straight out at me. It's a pre-print, which means that it hasn't been through the review process yet. The methodolgy may be sound or it may be bullshit. We'll need to wait for other virologists to take a look at it before we know. My gut feeling is that the methodology is ropey as it is based on reports to VAERS. Pretty much anyone can submit a report to VAERS. To highlight the absurdity of the system a anesthesiologist submitted a report claiming that a vaccine turned him into the Hulk. There are concerns that the system is being targeted by anti-vaxxers.

 

There may be something to do or there may not but, I don't think this is particularly credible at the moment. This should highlight why it is important to go to the original source rather than just reading a newspaper headline.

 

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27 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said:

 

Thanks for the link. Link to the paper the article is based on here.

 

The following isn't aimed at you Jambo-Jimbo.

 

Couple of things jump straight out at me. It's a pre-print, which means that it hasn't been through the review process yet. The methodolgy may be sound or it may be bullshit. We'll need to wait for other virologists to take a look at it before we know. My gut feeling is that the methodology is ropey as it is based on reports to VAERS. Pretty much anyone can submit a report to VAERS. To highlight the absurdity of the system a anesthesiologist submitted a report claiming that a vaccine turned him into the Hulk. There are concerns that the system is being targeted by anti-vaxxers.

 

There may be something to do or there may not but, I don't think this is particularly credible at the moment. This should highlight why it is important to go to the original source rather than just reading a newspaper headline.

 

In other words it's not been peer reviewed yet.

 

It was the first time that I'd read anything about this type of thing, simply because none of it effects me or my family, but one thing did jump out at me when I read what the researchers said and I quote: Most children who experienced the rare side-effect had symptoms within days of the second shot of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, though a similar side-effect is seen with the Moderna jab. About 86% of the boys affected required some hospital care, the authors said.

 

The UK is only giving one shot of the Pfizer jab to our 12 - 15 yr olds, therefore if most of the problems appeared after the second shot, then you'd think that there should be very few problems with just the one shot.  You'd think anyway.

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I got the second moderna shot on Sunday then by Monday around 5pm I felt like shit. I have been lying in bed for almost 24 hours since Monday. Didn't eat or even drink a drop in that time. Just slept most of it.

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4 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

I got the second moderna shot on Sunday then by Monday around 5pm I felt like shit. I have been lying in bed for almost 24 hours since Monday. Didn't eat or even drink a drop in that time. Just slept most of it.

Sounds really crap.

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