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Just now, GBJambo said:

But will they end up in hospital? According to the stats most of the unvaccinated are the youth who are able to shake of the virus without too much trouble.

 

Only a small number of them, but significant enough to pose a problem.

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1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

For the brief moment after taking the test, as long as you're not in contact with anyone after taking it.

 

You can test negative and then catch covid 10 mins later.

Fair point. Take the test before entering the stadium. Of course someone with the vaccine can pass it on to you as they might have covid but that would be at their own risk.   As long as negative on entry I don’t see the issue.

 

Hopefully we can then reach a point where tests and passports are no longer required. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, JoeBugner2 said:

so the school bully demands the victim's lunch money or he will beat him up... the victim has a choice so that is acceptable?

 

 

You’ll need to explain that analogy for me. I’m not seeing connection.

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35 minutes ago, Dean Winchester said:

Yes the data has been plucked from one column. But the number of vaccinated people vs unvaccinated people matters within an age group (especially the older ranges where the number of unvaccinated becomes a very small minority) otherwise a sample size of only 500 unvaccinated people can skew the totals for that column.

I  can't tell if you are joking or not? Of course Ive "plucked" figures from the last 2 columns as they are the important ones! It's like saying ive "plucked" the points column from the league table when we are talking about league positions!   I assume you don’t know how to interpret rates per 100,000? You can google that mate, its not complicated. There are no sample sizes either, this is ALL the cases.

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48 minutes ago, JoeBugner2 said:

another (and much more logical) alternative is that if you are scared of catching COVID, dont go to a football match! That is how it always has been and always should be IMHO. 

 

Anyone who is scared probably won't go whether they are allowed to or not, that's not even relevant to the discussion.

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47 minutes ago, JoeBugner2 said:

If someone hasnt taken the vaccine that is their own decision to make. WTF are you to tell someone they cant do something in case it is too risky for them?  

 

It's not me that's telling them FFS.  It's the government that is telling them, the sad thing is that you probably haven't got a bloody clue why.

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35 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

For the brief moment after taking the test, as long as you're not in contact with anyone after taking it.

 

You can test negative and then catch covid 10 mins later.

And a vaccinated person going to the pub can get it then walk in no problems to the stadium 

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I am not sure we will all need boosters at the rate we are going, cases are high so vaccinated (an non vaccinated) folk are coming up against the virus quite a bit and dealing with it, a sort of natural booster to your immune memory.

 

This is how we live with other viruses, from an early age we are exposed and continue to be exposed throughout life, which gives a little reminder to our immune system when it has started to wane a bit.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

And a vaccinated person going to the pub can get it then walk in no problems to the stadium 

 

The good news is there won't be many unvaccinated in the stadium to pass it on to and clogging up the hospital wards, icu's and morgues.

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10 minutes ago, JoeBugner2 said:

I  can't tell if you are joking or not? Of course Ive "plucked" figures from the last 2 columns as they are the important ones! It's like saying ive "plucked" the points column from the league table when we are talking about league positions!   I assume you don’t know how to interpret rates per 100,000? You can google that mate, its not complicated. There are no sample sizes either, this is ALL the cases.

:lol: You're clueless. 11k for vaccinated vs 545 for unvaccinated means there is a massive difference in the rates per 100,000 when cases go up or down by just 1 in the unvaccinated column.

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6 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The good news is there won't be many unvaccinated in the stadium to pass it on to and clogging up the hospital wards, icu's and morgues.

I doubt the morgues are full 

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2 minutes ago, Dean Winchester said:

:lol: You're clueless. 11k for vaccinated vs 545 for unvaccinated means there is a massive difference in the rates per 100,000 when cases go up or down by just 1 in the unvaccinated column.

Im clueless? 🤣what's your point? You can't use rates per 100,000 if the number is small? oh dear... please stop, for your own benefit.

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1 hour ago, JoeBugner2 said:

If someone hasnt taken the vaccine that is their own decision to make. WTF are you to tell someone they cant do something in case it is too risky for them?  

 

Maybe some of the anti-vaxxers need to remember that very thing, when they try and shut down vaccination centres, that it is freedom of choice and WTF do they think they are, to try and force their will upon other people.......sounds familar doesn't it........this works both ways.

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/anti-vax-protest-cabot-circus-5817382

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/anti-vaccine-protesters-clinic-manchester-21314262

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/dodger-stadium-covid-vaccination-protest-trnd/index.html

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/anti-vaxxers-georgia-shut-down-vaccine-site-by-bullying-workers-2021-8?r=US&IR=T

 

That's just 4 links, the list of incidences where anti-vaxxers have tried to stop people taking the jab, and disrupting the vaccination process goes on and on and on.

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

And a vaccinated person going to the pub can get it then walk in no problems to the stadium 

 

So, what are you suggesting?  Ban everyone from the stadium again?

 

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1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said:

Pubs will be added in about 3 weeks time. The excuse will be to prevent lockdowns. 

If that happens I will refuse to go.

No more liquid lunches for me.

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6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I doubt the morgues are full 

 

Hopefully these new passport measures ensure that remains the case.

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5 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

So, what are you suggesting?  Ban everyone from the stadium again?

 

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Don’t be silly I’m just evidences the holes in vaccine passports really 

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1 hour ago, Back to 2005 said:

Pubs will be added in about 3 weeks time. The excuse will be to prevent lockdowns. 

Exactly that’s why they are taking so long to “ define “ a nightclub . Watch pubs go to the wall . 

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The Real Maroonblood
1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly that’s why they are taking so long to “ define “ a nightclub . Watch pubs go to the wall . 

We're doomed. 

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1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

We're doomed. 

Not if you have a passport RML but the pubs will probably be a tad more boring I’d say 😂

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3 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Anyone able to explain the above?

 

Cheers 👍

Guessing here but I would imagine its a 90% decrease in those catching it requiring icu admission. My only thought for that is that it is a driver of where we are at in terms of pressure on the nhs and therefore lockdowns.

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Not if you have a passport RML but the pubs will probably be a tad more boring I’d say 😂

Lunch time is generally quite. 

Just chat to the barmaid. 😆

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Is there any possibility of JKB requiring an electronic vaccine passport to log into the Covid threads, to filter out some of undesirables? 🤔

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1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Lunch time is generally quite. 

Just chat to the barmaid. 😆

Is she attractive 🤔

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Ron Burgundy
15 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

If that happens I will refuse to go.

No more liquid lunches for me.

Shit just got real.

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2 minutes ago, sadj said:

Guessing here but I would imagine its a 90% decrease in those catching it requiring icu admission. My only thought for that is that it is a driver of where we are at in terms of pressure on the nhs and therefore lockdowns.

 

That's what I took from it too, but I'm not sure if it also includes reducing those who catch it in the first place etc.

 

It gets bandied about a lot and certainly sounds very good news, but it was only when I spent more time thinking about it I realised I really don't understand what it's telling me 😂😂

 

Its similar to a discussion I had with another poster yesterday around whether the vaccine will have increased the number of asymptomatic cases as a proportion of total cases or whether it prevents those happening in the first place. 

 

I'm not sure the guy's tweet in the post that I initially responded to helps matter either with how he's written it.

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2 hours ago, JoeBugner2 said:

reduces the spread? Can you explain these case numbers please? E-38QeIUcAM7qkY.thumb.jpg.f300aa7face068b49c2ddeeb247da3f6.jpg

 

The overall rates per 100k unvaccinated there is higher than the 100k vaccinated rate.

 

Vaccinated

(5591.4 total) 698.93 average per 100k

 

Unvaccinated

(6750.1 total) 843.76 average per 100k

 

Also your unvaccinated total does not include the number who have only had a single dose, it should as they are not fully vaccinated.

 

Please stop saying that you are more likely to catch Covid after vaccination, it's not true and that's before we even think about the severity of symptoms if you do catch it.

 

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50 minutes ago, frankblack said:

Is there any possibility of JKB requiring an electronic vaccine passport to log into the Covid threads, to filter out some of undesirables? 🤔

Maybe JKB could employ fact checkers so there is no dissent in the ranks. You could volunteer.

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2 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Maybe JKB could employ fact checkers so there is no dissent in the ranks. You could volunteer.

 

:rofl:

 

Somebody is a touch sensitive today.  Is it that time of the month?

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

 

:rofl:

 

Somebody is a touch sensitive today.  Is it that time of the month?

2 days before a derby. I'm a bag of nerves.

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Just now, Back to 2005 said:

2 days before a derby. I'm a bag of nerves.

 

Nervous about playing the shite? Come on.

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10 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

2 days before a derby. I'm a bag of nerves.

**** off 🤣🤣 who gets nervous before playing Hibs. We may draw some , we may lose even less but we never fear them

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1 hour ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Lunch time is generally quite. 

Just chat to the barmaid. 😆

Awe ! 👍👍

1 hour ago, frankblack said:

Is there any possibility of JKB requiring an electronic vaccine passport to log into the Covid threads, to filter out some of undesirables? 🤔

The “ Undesirables” as it people who have a different view point to you ? 

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1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

Awe ! 👍👍

The “ Undesirables” as it people who have a different view point to you ? 

 

If you mean conspiracy theorists who keep posting nonsense from unreliable sources that doesn't stand up to more than a 2 minute google search to disprove, then yes.

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1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

That's what I took from it too, but I'm not sure if it also includes reducing those who catch it in the first place etc.

 

It gets bandied about a lot and certainly sounds very good news, but it was only when I spent more time thinking about it I realised I really don't understand what it's telling me 😂😂

 

Its similar to a discussion I had with another poster yesterday around whether the vaccine will have increased the number of asymptomatic cases as a proportion of total cases or whether it prevents those happening in the first place. 

 

I'm not sure the guy's tweet in the post that I initially responded to helps matter either with how he's written it.


I don’t think the vaccine would reduce the number of those who are asymptomatic. I think it will still be 1 in 3 who would be asymptomatic. The reason id assume thats down to the number of people whose bodys react that way as opposed to anything the virus does. 
 

The cases will fly up just now because of the lack of any restrictions that would I think be normal and expected. The critical thing I think is its happening at a time where due to the vaccines there is far fewer getting seriously ill and therefore the pressure on the NHS is no longer as it was last year. 

 

 

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Back to 2005
8 minutes ago, sadj said:

**** off 🤣🤣 who gets nervous before playing Hibs. We may draw some , we may lose even less but we never fear them

Oh FFS it was a joke!! 

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1 hour ago, frankblack said:

Is there any possibility of JKB requiring an electronic vaccine passport to log into the Covid threads, to filter out some of undesirables? 🤔

And take away the fun ?

No thanks !

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1 minute ago, sadj said:


I don’t think the vaccine would reduce the number of those who are asymptomatic. I think it will still be 1 in 3 who would be asymptomatic. The reason id assume thats down to the number of people whose bodys react that way as opposed to anything the virus does.  

 

My thinking was it would increase them(not in overall numbers), not reduce them. As in more people who caught the virus would display no symptoms, i.e. increasing the number of people who when they catch the virus, don't go on to develop Covid symptoms.

 

 

1 minute ago, sadj said:

 

The cases will fly up just now because of the lack of any restrictions that would I think be normal and expected. The critical thing I think is its happening at a time where due to the vaccines there is far fewer getting seriously ill and therefore the pressure on the NHS is no longer as it was last year. 

 

 

 

That's undoubtedly true.

 

There must also be an element of it too though that most of the restrictions effected the working population and younger (office attendance, nightclubs, uni's, large gatherings etc) which are a group that by and large don't get hospitalised by it. So whilst the cases will rocket amongst that population there won't be a corresponding increase in hospitalisations...vaccine or no vaccine.

 

That isn't to say the vaccine isn't great, it is.

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2 hours ago, Awbdy Oot said:
1 hour ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The overall rates per 100k unvaccinated there is higher than the 100k vaccinated rate.

 

Vaccinated

(5591.4 total) 698.93 average per 100k

 

Unvaccinated

(6750.1 total) 843.76 average per 100k

 

Also your unvaccinated total does not include the number who have only had a single dose, it should as they are not fully vaccinated.

 

Please stop saying that you are more likely to catch Covid after vaccination, it's not true and that's before we even think about the severity of symptoms if you do catch it.

 

COVID itself and even the vaccine roll out are very much age stratified. That is why it is important to keep the age related data as it is. Your totals and averages don’t really mean much in the real world. You can grift up some figures for the 40-80 year age range if you want but that wouldn’t match your narrative. It is quite clear that for those who were vaccinated first and are in middle to older age categories , they are much more likely to have COVID now than an unvaccinated person. I know that doesn’t agree with your narrative but I'd be more interested in your reasons for that instead of some pseudoscientific data mash up.

 

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Back to 2005
21 minutes ago, sadj said:


I don’t think the vaccine would reduce the number of those who are asymptomatic. I think it will still be 1 in 3 who would be asymptomatic. The reason id assume thats down to the number of people whose bodys react that way as opposed to anything the virus does. 
 

The cases will fly up just now because of the lack of any restrictions that would I think be normal and expected. The critical thing I think is its happening at a time where due to the vaccines there is far fewer getting seriously ill and therefore the pressure on the NHS is no longer as it was last year. 

 

 

The 1 in 3 asymptomatic lie is my favourite one. Still if you repeat it often enough plenty will believe it.

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15 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

If you mean conspiracy theorists who keep posting nonsense from unreliable sources that doesn't stand up to more than a 2 minute google search to disprove, then yes.

 

The thing that gets me is, just who are they trying to convince with their pish, most of the folks on here have already been vaccinated, so it's too late to try and change our minds, and the people who haven't been vaccinated are most likely not getting vaxxed anyway, so they are preaching to the converted...............yet on they persist, and round and round in circles we go.

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15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

My thinking was it would increase them(not in overall numbers), not reduce them. As in more people who caught the virus would display no symptoms, i.e. increasing the number of people who when they catch the virus, don't go on to develop Covid symptoms.

 

 

 

That's undoubtedly true.

 

There must also be an element of it too though that most of the restrictions effected the working population and younger (office attendance, nightclubs, uni's, large gatherings etc) which are a group that by and large don't get hospitalised by it. So whilst the cases will rocket amongst that population there won't be a corresponding increase in hospitalisations...vaccine or no vaccine.

 

That isn't to say the vaccine isn't great, it is.

Makes sense. Iv friends some very healthy people utterly floored by it and some who “arent” as healthy hardly suffer. One of my closest pals has had it twice and not really been affected at all. Therefore I don’t think its as picky as some make out on here. 

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1 minute ago, sadj said:

Makes sense. Iv friends some very healthy people utterly floored by it and some who “arent” as healthy hardly suffer. One of my closest pals has had it twice and not really been affected at all. Therefore I don’t think its as picky as some make out on here. 

 

It certainly suits the anti-vaxxers to label fat people as responsible for the majority of cases but isn't really standing up to scrutiny post-vaccine.

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Back to 2005
4 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

It certainly suits the anti-vaxxers to label fat people as responsible for the majority of cases but isn't really standing up to scrutiny post-vaccine.

Who on here is an anti vaxxer? 

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4 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Who on here is an anti vaxxer? 

 

I'd also like to see the post vaccine scrutiny on who's most responsible for cases at that level of detail.

 

That's not being a smart arse, I'd genuinely like to see that.

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On 01/09/2021 at 17:56, ScottieMac17 said:

My concern for younger people is that we are still finding out about short term side effects... IE.. affecting females under 30s menstril (which is raising new concerns about fertility) and skin conditions due to a side effect with the vaccine. The current vaccines are still under a trail period, and 'forcing' people to take something with little knowledge of long term side effects is dangerous. 

 

I am under 30 and I'm vaccinated, however I do worry about long term effects from the vaccine. 

 

I think vaccine passports are not great and freedom of choice is important in life. 

Every law that is ever passed restricts your freedom of choice. I'd love to try driving down the motorway as fast as my car would go but my freedom of choice is restricted. There are millions of examples. This is restricting far fewer people's choices than many other laws, rules and regulations. 

Laws, rules and regulations are important in a life where you  want to live in a civilised society. 

Whether you like or dislike the Government, they are elected to make the decisions.

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