“ Doctors “ pub trans row

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I agree with all that bold bit.

So you agree with those bold bits but don’t agree with womens safety and their rights . Gotcha ! 

[graygo]

21 minutes ago, Robbies right hand man said:

sorry mate - seems you’re slightly misinformed regarding that.

 

“In recent years the term hermaphrodite applied to humans has fallen out of favor since there have been no identified cases of a human reproducing as both male and female,^[10] with some biologists saying hermaphroditism cannot occur in humans.^[11][12] Intersex activists have preferred the word intersex, since the word hermaphrodite is considered to be stigmatizing,^{[13][14][15][16]} as well as "scientifically specious and clinically problematic."^[17]

 

A bit Pedantic but ok, I should have said pseudohermaphrodite. Point stands though, these are humans born with both male and female external genital organs.

 

https://www.britannica.com/science/pseudohermaphroditism

 

A bit more reading on my part confirms your point about it now being called "intersex", point still stands though.

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by graygo

[Robbies right hand man]

4 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

A bit Pedantic but ok, I should have said pseudohermaphrodite. Point stands though, these are humans born with both male and female external genital organs.

 

https://www.britannica.com/science/pseudohermaphroditism

 

 

I wasn’t intending to be pedantic, apologies

 

However - the truth about intersex people is it’s a deformity rather than a mixture of genders . 
 

What I really mean by this is that any human being will have either X or Y chromosomes as soon as we’re conceived with genitals appearing roughly 9 weeks during pregnancy.

 

”intersex” people do not have a mixture of chromosomes but rather their female genital has just not fully disappeared - but it is never really functioning and they can only produce sperm. 
 

Biologically they are still either male or female in gender so technically there’s no such thing as intersex either.

[JudyJudyJudy]

36 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

I agree with all that bold bit.

And another thing either you believe trans women are women so they should be able to share the same spaces as women ( biological women )  surely ? You keep going on that trans women are women but want to discriminate against them ? How very odd . Like I said your all over place on this subject , even with intersex issue too with your absurd limited knowledge about that too . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Robbies right hand man said:

I wasn’t intending to be pedantic, apologies

 

However - the truth about intersex people is it’s a deformity rather than a mixture of genders . 
 

What I really mean by this is that any human being will have either X or Y chromosomes as soon as we’re conceived with genitals appearing roughly 9 weeks during pregnancy.

 

”intersex” people do not have a mixture of chromosomes but rather their female genital has just not fully disappeared - but it is never really functioning and they can only produce sperm. 
 

Biologically they are still either male or female in gender so technically there’s no such thing as intersex either.

 Well said . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

This 

 

 

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-new-religion?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozNTAzOTQyMCwiXyI6InJicmRtIiwiaWF0IjoxNjUxMTAzODQ1LCJleHAiOjE2NTExMDc0NDUsImlzcyI6InB1Yi02NzMwOSIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.V-339OYInht6ltbSyJrI9FiDsYiP3mpFXxHEorXZLSw&fbclid=IwAR1J3b9B1a-gIb1FkjWif2i4-EhLVVkC8pHOsv-fjV4DGjODtriJgTmJ6q4&s=r

[JudyJudyJudy]

Transgender women advised to call 999 if asked to leave female-only lavatories (telegraph.co.uk)

 

 

 

[Captain Slog]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Transgender women advised to call 999 if asked to leave female-only lavatories (telegraph.co.uk)

 

 

 

James, sadly that is correct advice.  If  a biological male entered a womans' safe space while my wife was in there, I wouldn't hesitate to enter - after asking for permission, and remove him  - and i wouldn't be nice about it.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Captain Slog said:

James, sadly that is correct advice.  If  a biological male entered a womans' safe space while my wife was in there, I wouldn't hesitate to enter - after asking for permission, and remove him  - and i wouldn't be nice about it.

?  I think the advice to call 999 is over dramatic surely. Its not about their risk they are worried about , its about their perceived right to enter a women's only space ?

[Captain Slog]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

?  I think the advice to call 999 is over dramatic surely. Its not about their risk they are worried about , its about their perceived right to enter a women's only space ?

Men don't have that right yet as far as im aware, however they identify

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

Men don't have that right yet as far as im aware, however they identify

 

Yeah but those people are saying they aren't men. They  " identify" as women so believe they should be able to use any services specifically for women. 

[Captain Slog]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yeah but those people are saying they aren't men. They  " identify" as women so believe they should be able to use any services specifically for women. 

Theyll need 999 then if they try that on with my wife

 

I was brought up that real men had to protect frightened women in distress

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Captain Slog said:

Theyll need 999 then if they try that on with my wife

 

I was brought up that real men had to protect frightened women in distress

👍👍

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Captain Slog said:

Men don't have that right yet as far as im aware, however they identify

 

 

Out of interest, is it against the law for a male to walk into a female designated toilet and vice versa?

[Captain Slog]

11 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Out of interest, is it against the law for a male to walk into a female designated toilet and vice versa?

Christ, i hope not, I came out a toilet in a bar in Bonnyrigg once, said it was very nice but weird there were no urinals, turned out it was the ladies

 

But i would have thrown myself out if i had realised

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Captain Slog

[Ked]

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,trans-women-can-give-birth-edinburgh-napier-university-midwifery-students-told

 

I'm all for live and let live.

But come on .

 

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Ked

[John Findlay]

7 hours ago, Ked said:

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,trans-women-can-give-birth-edinburgh-napier-university-midwifery-students-told

 

I'm all for live and let live.

But come on .

 

 

What a mess the human race is getting itself into.

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 hours ago, Ked said:

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,trans-women-can-give-birth-edinburgh-napier-university-midwifery-students-told

 

I'm all for live and let live.

But come on .

 

 

Its madness really. A hysteria which hopefully in a few years from now will look back on and chortle about. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Labour are goosed 

 

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, jonesy said:

I'd suggest that someone 'struggling' with their identity may not actually benefit in the long term from having their delusional ideas indulged.

 

 

I’d agree . 

[Ked]

2 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Its madness really. A hysteria which hopefully in a few years from now will look back on and chortle about. 

It's the teaching of midwifery that doesn't meet the biological fact that a baby cannot be nurtured and born out of a penis.

In an Edinburgh University and that a leading politician and possible leader of a developed country finds it difficult to answer.

It's not madness James it's backward thinking amounting to religious hocus pocus.

And Jonesy is spot on .

Spraffing absolute shite does not help anyone.

 

A University in Edinburgh ....its just wild.

[Ked]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

Reckon if I identified as a potato and wanted surgery from the NHS to transform me into chips then Angela Rayner would support me?

I wonder if the university would advise on how to deliver baby spuds from you.

 

[Lord Montpelier]

5 hours ago, John Findlay said:

What a mess the human race is getting itself into.

A lot of very confused people out there

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, jonesy said:

 

Reckon if I identified as a potato and wanted surgery from the NHS to transform me into chips then Angela Rayner would support me?

😂😂

[Ked]

26 minutes ago, jonesy said:

All eyes on me. Luckily, I've got a thick skin.

😄

[doctor jambo]

31 minutes ago, Ked said:

It's the teaching of midwifery that doesn't meet the biological fact that a baby cannot be nurtured and born out of a penis.

In an Edinburgh University and that a leading politician and possible leader of a developed country finds it difficult to answer.

It's not madness James it's backward thinking amounting to religious hocus pocus.

And Jonesy is spot on .

Spraffing absolute shite does not help anyone.

 

A University in Edinburgh ....its just wild.

In a way they are right .

female to male keeps the womb and has a Pseudo penis formed so will need a catheter if falls pregnant and needs a c-section.

The trans variants keeping all their bobbins and getting even more I suppose, or the partial trans.

I have no issue with gender neutral anything and suspect that is the future.

However certain things should be based on sex, not gender ( which is made up baloney anyway)

[Ked]

30 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

In a way they are right .

female to male keeps the womb and has a Pseudo penis formed so will need a catheter if falls pregnant and needs a c-section.

The trans variants keeping all their bobbins and getting even more I suppose, or the partial trans.

I have no issue with gender neutral anything and suspect that is the future.

However certain things should be based on sex, not gender ( which is made up baloneyI  anyway)

I think the article said male to female transition and reconstruction of the penis as viable to giving birth.

 

It's just bonkers that this is relevant in teaching midwifery .

Fair play to the students for whistleblowing.

Telling that they wished to remain anonymous.

 

 

[doctor jambo]

24 minutes ago, Ked said:

I think the article said male to female transition and reconstruction of the penis as viable to giving birth.

 

It's just bonkers that this is relevant in teaching midwifery .

Fair play to the students for whistleblowing.

Telling that they wished to remain anonymous.

 

 

They have to remain anonymous .

The Nhs does not like opinions.

Or character, 

[John Findlay]

17 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

They have to remain anonymous .

The Nhs does not like opinions.

Or character, 

Sad state of affairs

[JudyJudyJudy]

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

44 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Some transist ran on stage to attack Dave Chappelle yesterday. One assumes that the aggressor didn't actually bother watching 'The Closer' all the way to the end. It really is unreal how folk think they can 'break down the barriers of intolerance' by being, well, intolerant of others.

I know . And they seem to lack any sense of humour , I mean at all . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Fascinating 

 

 

 

[Don Dan]

A man has been charged with assault with a deadly weapon, police have said, after comedian Dave Chappelle was attacked on stage during a stand-up show.

Just as the show at the Hollywood Bowl in LA was ending, Chappelle was attacked on stage.

A 23-year-old man, named Isaiah Lee, has been charged following the incident, the Los Angeles Police Department said.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Mentally Ill

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10781465/Can-identify-transracial-British-Oli-London-clashes-Black-influencer.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR04L4HLPgF7YxhvxCao6blyJjOFNGzr0ols7lnZV8u2qmMuHfkuuswkt4g#l2sgfdwmasw24f8zmi

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 hours ago, Imaman said:

A man has been charged with assault with a deadly weapon, police have said, after comedian Dave Chappelle was attacked on stage during a stand-up show.

Just as the show at the Hollywood Bowl in LA was ending, Chappelle was attacked on stage.

A 23-year-old man, named Isaiah Lee, has been charged following the incident, the Los Angeles Police Department said.

I hope Chappell give him a good kick to his knackers ,,,,oh wait 

[JudyJudyJudy]

25 minutes ago, jonesy said:

He looks like something from a dystopian future science fiction film.
 

However, his idea about transracialism is, to me, as logical as transgenderism. If you can take on the superficial identity of whatever it is you wish to transition to, and if you feel like you are that thing, then fair dos. Once the TG door was opened and taken seriously by society, then all bets were off. Transrace, transspecies, trans state (I am a gas), transera (I was actually born during the Roman Empire and the lack of Latin on the census form was discrimination) are all equally as valid as transgenderism because they too demand that the world adheres to, or at the very least acknowledges, whatever subjective stuff pops into my head and, most likely, base the notion of being something else as much on the superficial concept of it as any lived reality.
 

Perhaps the poor fecker that used to stand Princes Street dressed as Mr Wimpy just wanted to transition to be a burger?

As Barry Norman said “ well why not ?

[JudyJudyJudy]

Go for it Joanna !!  
 

 

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20118397.joanna-cherry-challenges-nicola-sturgeon-gender-recognition-act-debate/?fbclid=IwAR1WOE_RbD3iZCxB3bvM9IfmV4PIAhlAZKGc7dsOKvC-ITFYzCM5HIJXoaI

[JudyJudyJudy]

What an excellent video from a young lesbian woman who clearly articulates the pressures from others about conflating masculine “ butch “ lesbians With being trans . Her story is a wake up call really 

 

 

 

 

[XB52]

Taken from Twitter,  well said and maybe the trans phobic bigots could stop and think. Very much doubt it though

 

 

I'm a 50-year-old gay man. I lived through the anti-gay moral panic of the 80s and the many battles against discriminatory legislation and social injustice of the 90s and 2000s, and I'm here to tell you that what is being done to trans people today is what was done to us then.

[Konrad von Carstein]

1 hour ago, XB52 said:

Taken from Twitter,  well said and maybe the trans phobic bigots could stop and think. Very much doubt it though

 

 

I'm a 50-year-old gay man. I lived through the anti-gay moral panic of the 80s and the many battles against discriminatory legislation and social injustice of the 90s and 2000s, and I'm here to tell you that what is being done to trans people today is what was done to us then.

Incoming in 10, 9, 8....

Edited May 19, 2022 by Konrad von Carstein

[il Duce McTarkin]

37 minutes ago, jonesy said:

From someone with no skin in the game, so to speak, I don't see how homosexuality and transgenderism continue to be compared and conflated. One is about sexual preferences, the other is about identity. There is certainly some overlap in terms of minority rights, I suppose, but there appears to be some kind of notion that transgenderism and related issues are a logical extension/continuation of the issues that homosexuals faced in the past. It's broadly reminiscent of the middle-aged, middle-class white women who talk of 'sharing' the pain of the systematically oppressed black minority in the US (much to the derision and anger of many black rights activists). They are different battles.

 

If you can't see it you're part of the problem, jonesy.

 

Shame on you.

 

Cancel pls mods.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

From someone with no skin in the game, so to speak, I don't see how homosexuality and transgenderism continue to be compared and conflated. One is about sexual preferences, the other is about identity. There is certainly some overlap in terms of minority rights, I suppose, but there appears to be some kind of notion that transgenderism and related issues are a logical extension/continuation of the issues that homosexuals faced in the past. It's broadly reminiscent of the middle-aged, middle-class white women who talk of 'sharing' the pain of the systematically oppressed black minority in the US (much to the derision and anger of many black rights activists). They are different battles.

I do not engage with him as he has limited knowledge , let’s just say , about this issue and becomes aggressive and defensive when discussing it

 

. However I’m intrigued with his response about being a 50 yo gay man who apparently has went “ through the same issues “ as trans people . ? I can’t remember demanding to use the opposite sex toilets , changing rooms , or demand that I was allowed to participate in girls guides parties , sorry I mean demand . Because that’s what is is , it’s demands without any thought or sensitivity to women and girls rights to safety and respect . The trans issue is an identity issue , gay and lesbians are gay and lesbians . It’s who they are , It’s not a perception , based on “ gender ideology “ which is riddled with mainly harmful stereotypes about what a female or male should . I assume he’s referring to the video I posted earlier which is actually on Tik tok . If he cannot understand where this woman is coming from I am honestly flabbergasted . He needs to educate himself and see what is actually happening in the now regarding gay and lesbian identity  and the attempts to erase which that woman completely nails . 

Edited May 19, 2022 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

21 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

If you can't see it you're part of the problem, jonesy.

 

Shame on you.

 

Cancel pls mods.

Complain to the mods . Just make sure you articulate clearly what the issue you have with this thread is ? Go on ! 

[il Duce McTarkin]

53 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Complain to the mods . Just make sure you articulate clearly what the issue you have with this thread is ? Go on ! 

 

WTF are you on about you neurotic clown?

 

10 minutes ago, jonesy said:

You're right enough, Dirk 😞

 

 

I know.

 

10 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Update: Just took a quick online Equality & Diversity course to head off the cancellation.

 

 

Good lad.

 

10 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Turns out that, if I print off 3 rainbow flags, express horror and outrage at Tucker Carlson on 2 social media platforms and simply declare myself an ally, all's cool again 😀

 

You're getting the hang if this.

 

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

At least you are progressive and open minded enough to admit that something can get nailed by women.

 

I've seen it with my own eyes, jonesy.

 

An amusing anecdote from Hearts' trip to Real Mallorca a number of years ago springs to mind, but I daren't divulge in case he's a poster on here.

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Dirk McClaymore

[il Duce McTarkin]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Wasn't just the crossbar that was a wee bit bent in the Balearics, then?

 

 

Seeing as it was the '90s I'll let you off with the OUTRAGEOUS anachronistic slur.  

 

 

But aye.

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

I do not engage with him as he has limited knowledge , let’s just say , about this issue and becomes aggressive and defensive when discussing it

 

. However I’m intrigued with his response about being a 50 yo gay man who apparently has went “ through the same issues “ as trans people . ? I can’t remember demanding to use the opposite sex toilets , changing rooms , or demand that I was allowed to participate in girls guides parties , sorry I mean demand . Because that’s what is is , it’s demands without any thought or sensitivity to women and girls rights to safety and respect . The trans issue is an identity issue , gay and lesbians are gay and lesbians . It’s who they are , It’s not a perception , based on “ gender ideology “ which is riddled with mainly harmful stereotypes about what a female or male should . I assume he’s referring to the video I posted earlier which is actually on Tik tok . If he cannot understand where this woman is coming from I am honestly flabbergasted . He needs to educate himself and see what is actually happening in the now regarding gay and lesbian identity  and the attempts to erase which that woman completely nails . 

Good post.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

Good post.

👍 

[XB52]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

Good post.

No, a shite post from a transphobic bigot. No surprise you agree with him though

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

WTF are you on about you neurotic clown?

 

 

I know.

 

 

Good lad.

 

 

You're getting the hang if this.

 

 

I've seen it with my own eyes, jonesy.

 

An amusing anecdote from Hearts' trip to Real Mallorca a number of years ago springs to mind, but I daren't divulge in case he's a poster on here.

 

 

 

GT ? 

[il Duce McTarkin]

43 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

No wonder Chris Robinson was so angry.

 

Yup, and 'the pie man' turned out to be an inappropriate nickname.