The Royal family

[Lone Striker]

tbf, Wills is in an awkward situation over there. Good on him for explicitly condemning the slave trade, and I'm pretty sure he'd have been briefed beforehand  on the Jamaican PM's views about the monarchy.   I can't see Charles doing much to upset the Royal apple cart, but Wills seems a bit more pragmatic and engaged with the modern world. 

 

 It's a bit difficult for him to stand in the way of Commonwealth countries wanting to break away, when his own brother has just done it.

[Boof]

49 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

That’s what I was highlighting too🤣

 

👏 never spotted yours. A minor Peebles moment for moi.

[luckyBatistuta]

1 minute ago, Boof said:

 

👏 never spotted yours. A minor Peebles moment for moi.

👏 and to yours

[The Mighty Thor]

59 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

tbf, Wills is in an awkward situation over there. Good on him for explicitly condemning the slave trade.

Good lad. The money from the slave trade is already banked and spent and the palaces are all built.

Perhaps he should've reflected on the role his ancestors played in slavery and how it shaped 'the commonwealth' his gran sits as head of. 

[dobmisterdobster]

3 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

She’s head of state in places like Jamaica but these people need a visa to come here. 
 

 

Once they are here they have basically the same rights and voting franchise as British citizens.

[FWJ]

Countries like Barbados and possibly soon Jamaica might remove the monarch as head of state but I don’t think they will be leaving the Comminwealth, that’s two different things.  The vast majority of commonwealth countries are republics (though some are monarchies with their own monarch).

It’s interesting that a couple of countries (Rwanda and Mozambique) that were never part of the British Empire have chosen to join the Commonwealth.

The Queen is the head of the organisation that is the Commonwealth but is not queen of it.  That’s like saying Jens Stoltenberg is the king of NATO.

[Seymour M Hersh]

5 hours ago, Boof said:

 

She's a witch... a witch! Burn her!

 

 Ha ha only noticed that after the first person quoted the post. D'oh! 

[ri Alban]

On 23/03/2022 at 19:31, Seymour M Hersh said:

I take it all these faux outraged Republican "Hearts fans" never used to singe Her Majesty the Queen supports the Jam tarts back in the 70's. 

Is your idol Trump not a republican?

[ri Alban]

On 23/03/2022 at 15:08, Ainsley Harriott said:

I'm rather fond of our Royal Family. Granted Andrew is a bad egg but on the whole they are marvelous institute and source of national pride. If you dont like them then feck off and live elswhere 😀

We will when Scotland becomes a republic  soon enough. You can keep yer kneepads for your grovelling to your Masters. 

[Japan Jambo]

23 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Hallo hallo we are the corgi boys🤣

 

up to our necks in Netflix money?

[ri Alban]

It's England's RF. The highjacked the Scottish throne and we will be rid soon enough. Whether it's a Kingdom or Republic will be up to us. And Hoose Jocks can GTTF voluntarily or by Force.

[Lone Striker]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Good lad. The money from the slave trade is already banked and spent and the palaces are all built.

Perhaps he should've reflected on the role his ancestors played in slavery and how it shaped 'the commonwealth' his gran sits as head of. 

Do you think his comment was just hollow words then ?     Regardless of what you think of the monarchy, Wills isn't guilty of what happened 200 years ago, or what the profits were spent on.  

[The Mighty Thor]

19 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Do you think his comment was just hollow words then ?     Regardless of what you think of the monarchy, Wills isn't guilty of what happened 200 years ago, or what the profits were spent on.  

Oh no they weren't hollow words, they were very carefully scripted words. 

These ****ers are complicit in the whole gig. From the slave trade to ripping the arse out of their citizens in the UK. 

William and his vacuous bint will 'inhereit' what was raised on the backs of Indians, Africans and the daft ****s in the UK that allowed them to get to where they are today. 

They should have been dangling from a rope 200 years ago and they've certainly got no place in the 21st century. 

Edited March 24, 2022 by The Mighty Thor

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Oh no they weren't hollow words, they were very carefully scripted words. 

These ****ers are complicit in the whole gig. From the slave trade to ripping the arse out of their citizens in the UK. 

William and his vacuous bint will 'inhereit' what was raised on the backs of Indians, Africans and the daft ****s in the UK that allowed them to get to where they are today. 

They should have been dangling from a rope 200 years ago and they've certainly got no place in the 21st century. 

Fair comment. 

[A Boy Named Crow]

37 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Do you think his comment was just hollow words then ?     Regardless of what you think of the monarchy, Wills isn't guilty of what happened 200 years ago, or what the profits were spent on.  

Correct, but he does directly benefit from those profits. The house he lives in was paid for by Wiliiam III, who it seems was rolling in slave trade profits.

 

If he wants his words to carry more weight, he should be using them to advocate the sale of his family's ill-gotten gains, with the proceeds going to charities that help victims of modern slavery for example. 

 

He isn't saying that though,  is he? I'd say their time is up. 

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by A Boy Named Crow

[Lone Striker]

6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Oh no they weren't hollow words, they were very carefully scripted words. 

These ****ers are complicit in the whole gig. From the slave trade to ripping the arse out of their citizens in the UK. 

William and his vacuous bint will 'inhereit' what was raised on the backs of Indians, Africans and the daft ****s in the UK that allowed them to get to where they are today. 

They should have been dangling from a rope 200 years ago and they've certainly got no place in the 21st century. 

But apart from all that ...... you're ok with them, aye ?  

[FWJ]

32 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Oh no they weren't hollow words, they were very carefully scripted words. 

These ****ers are complicit in the whole gig. From the slave trade to ripping the arse out of their citizens in the UK. 

William and his vacuous bint will 'inhereit' what was raised on the backs of Indians, Africans and the daft ****s in the UK that allowed them to get to where they are today. 

They should have been dangling from a rope 200 years ago and they've certainly got no place in the 21st century. 

I wonder how many people in this country didn’t benefit from the slave trade.  How many didn’t benefit from the empire.  It was only because our attempt at empire-building was so piss-poor (Darien) that we had to join into the union and once we gained access to England’s colonies we became very enthusiastic empire builders. Take a look at maps of Canada, Australia or New Zealand and see how much is named after Scots.

 

But, yeah.  It’s much more edgy to say you want to kill the royal family, so bash on.

[Lone Striker]

5 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Correct, but he does directly benefit from those profits. The house he lives in was paid for by Wiliiam III, who it seems was baw deep in slave trade profits.

 

If he wants his words to carry more weight, he should be using them to advocate the sale of his family's ill-gotten gains, with the proceeds going to charities that help victims of modern slavery for example. 

 

He isn't saying that though,  is he? I'd say their time is up. 

 

Can't argue with the morality of that suggestion.   Although he doesn't need to go as far as selling Royal castles & palaces to raise money for charities - he just needs to ringfence some of the Crown Estates income for anti-slavery movements.   

[FWJ]

And let’s not forget that Robert “A Man’s A Man For A’ That” Burns was going to be an overseer on a slave plantation in West Indies.

[A Boy Named Crow]

23 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Can't argue with the morality of that suggestion.   Although he doesn't need to go as far as selling Royal castles & palaces to raise money for charities - he just needs to ringfence some of the Crown Estates income for anti-slavery movements.   

The missus twisted my arm into visiting Windsor Castle a few years ago. The place is full of artefacts "acquired" from all over the world. I saw "acquired" on the description cards beside each one, and thought,  does nobody in this place know how to spell "stolen"???

 

Regarding the crown estate, it might in name be theirs,  but really it belongs to the government.  The royals get a cut of the proceeds, but they can't sell any of the estate etc.

 

But the question is how they came to have crown estates in the first place... their ancestors stole, bullied and murdered their way to the top, so even that is tainted money!

 

Extending my previous argument, the proceeds from the Crown Estate should be ring-fenced to benefit the poorest and most disadvantaged in our society. **** having food banks, let's just not have people so poor that they need them!!!

 

Anything the royal family gives to the people from their wealth is basically just the return of stolen goods. It's time to get off our knees.

[Lone Striker]

23 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

The missus twisted my arm into visiting Windsor Castle a few years ago. The place is full of artefacts "acquired" from all over the world. I saw "acquired" on the description cards beside each one, and thought,  does nobody in this place know how to spell "stolen"???

 

Regarding the crown estate, it might in name be theirs,  but really it belongs to the government.  The royals get a cut of the proceeds, but they can't sell any of the estate etc.

 

But the question is how they came to have crown estates in the first place... their ancestors stole, bullied and murdered their way to the top, so even that is tainted money!

 

Extending my previous argument, the proceeds from the Crown Estate should be ring-fenced to benefit the poorest and most disadvantaged in our society. **** having food banks, let's just not have people so poor that they need them!!!

 

Anything the royal family gives to the people from their wealth is basically just the return of stolen goods. It's time to get off our knees.

Fair comment, but food banks are rife in most European countries - most of which don't have a monarchy.    That doesn't negate the argument for doing away with the monarchy, it just moves the extreme poverty of millions of citizens down the list of reasons.    The reasons for why  extreme poverty exists in "wealthy"  countries needs a thread of its own - its not unique to the UK, nor is it a modern phenomenon.    The debateable concept of a country being "wealthy" might be a good place to start - since most of them have colossal debts which they'll never repay.    A huge worldwide financial system (some might call it a casino) enables this, and probably  relies on it for a lot  of their profits.   Winners and losers etc etc

Edited March 25, 2022 by Lone Striker

[A Boy Named Crow]

28 minutes ago, Lone Striker said:

Fair comment, but food banks are rife in most European countries - most of which don't have a monarchy.    That doesn't negate the argument for doing away with the monarchy, it just moves the extreme poverty of millions of citizens down the list of reasons.    The reasons for why  extreme poverty exists in "wealthy"  countries needs a thread of its own - its not unique to the UK, nor is it a modern phenomenon.    The debateable concept of a country being "wealthy" might be a good place to start - since most of them have colossal debts which they'll never repay.    A huge worldwide financial system (some might call it a casino) enables this, and probably  relies on it for a lot  of their profits.   Winners and losers etc etc

Sure, having a monarchy doesn't cause people to live in extreme poverty.  My point was though that we have this family who we are meant to consider better than us. This family built their wealth off the pain and suffering of people both home and abroad.

 

If they chose to, the royal family could use their stolen wealth to improve the lives of people alive today. They prefer empty words though. 

[John Gentleman]

On 25/03/2022 at 09:42, FWJ said:

I wonder how many people in this country didn’t benefit from the slave trade.  How many didn’t benefit from the empire.  It was only because our attempt at empire-building was so piss-poor (Darien) that we had to join into the union and once we gained access to England’s colonies we became very enthusiastic empire builders. Take a look at maps of Canada, Australia or New Zealand and see how much is named after Scots.

 

But, yeah.  It’s much more edgy to say you want to kill the royal family, so bash on.

We also engaged enthusiastically in slaving/the slave trade, hence all the Scottish surnames spread throughout the Caribbean. None of my ancestors gained anything from this -- nearly all of them lived their (mostly short) lives without a pot to piss in. I think the vast majority of Scots would be the the same. The small minorty who did benefit, I suspect, will still be nurturing their inherited assets to this day.

[jack D and coke]

40 minutes ago, John Gentleman said:

We also engaged enthusiastically in slaving/the slave trade, hence all the Scottish surnames spread throughout the Caribbean. None of my ancestors gained anything from this -- nearly all of them lived their (mostly short) lives without a pot to piss in. I think the vast majority of Scots would be the the same. The small minorty who did benefit, I suspect, will still be nurturing their inherited assets to this day.

This is the same for almost everyone in Britain. I must admit I don’t like the talk of reparations much anymore when almost all our ancestors/relatives were down the pit and fighting horrible wars. This talk of Scot’s enjoyed the union well yes some of them did and made fortunes out of it but most of the people made nothing and had no say in any of it. The Scottish people of the time got no say in any union with England. Scotland joined the union to escape England punishing the people in the 16th century and we stay in the union for the same reasons I believe, to protect us from a separate England. I’m neither proud nor ashamed of anything that happened before my time it’s got bugger all to do with me. However I do believe things like royal families should be ended. 
The royal family needs binned as does most of the nonsense that goes along with Britain, lords and peers and whatever. 
I just think the world has got so many things to face down and yet still there’s ***** born with privilege?! Get that shit in the bin. 
Recently the queens estate made something like £250m from a deal from energy off the coast of Scotland. Because she owns the ****ing sea bed for 12 miles out from the coast…I’m sorry but what the actual ****?! In 2022 the world has huge problems and they’re still taking stuff like this bolloks and making fortunes from things that were just invented like this that is from centuries ago. She owns the sea bed I mean I can’t compute that in my head. 

 

[jack D and coke]

I hope they keep touring. It seems to make the world angrier at their existence. 
Its nearly over for this lot. 

Lovely stuff☺️
 

[ri Alban]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I hope they keep touring. It seems to make the world angrier at their existence. 
Its nearly over for this lot. 

Lovely stuff☺️
 

When the Queen of England goes, it's game over.

[A Boy Named Crow]

32 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

When the Queen of England goes, it's game over.

You'd think so,  but we all thought brexit would inevitably lead to Scottish independence...

 

Never underestimate how easy it is for the establishment to manipulate the stupid!

[ri Alban]

30 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

You'd think so,  but we all thought brexit would inevitably lead to Scottish independence...

 

Never underestimate how easy it is for the establishment to manipulate the stupid!

The Queen of England is tolerated out of habit and respect for the Ancient. Charles won't be afforded such.  They'll just be looked upon as Ponces.

[jack D and coke]

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

😂 

 

"Relationships evolve, friendships endure" 

 

Now know your ****ing place and the land rover out. 

[Lone Striker]

12 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

This is the same for almost everyone in Britain. I must admit I don’t like the talk of reparations much anymore when almost all our ancestors/relatives were down the pit and fighting horrible wars. This talk of Scot’s enjoyed the union well yes some of them did and made fortunes out of it but most of the people made nothing and had no say in any of it. The Scottish people of the time got no say in any union with England. Scotland joined the union to escape England punishing the people in the 16th century and we stay in the union for the same reasons I believe, to protect us from a separate England. I’m neither proud nor ashamed of anything that happened before my time it’s got bugger all to do with me. However I do believe things like royal families should be ended. 
The royal family needs binned as does most of the nonsense that goes along with Britain, lords and peers and whatever. 
I just think the world has got so many things to face down and yet still there’s ***** born with privilege?! Get that shit in the bin. 
Recently the queens estate made something like £250m from a deal from energy off the coast of Scotland. Because she owns the ****ing sea bed for 12 miles out from the coast…I’m sorry but what the actual ****?! In 2022 the world has huge problems and they’re still taking stuff like this bolloks and making fortunes from things that were just invented like this that is from centuries ago. She owns the sea bed I mean I can’t compute that in my head. 

 

From what I can gather, any profits from the Crown Estate ownership of the seabed around Scotland (12 miles out) go to the Crown Estates Scotland. This was setup within the last 10 years after a law change  - and the Scottish Government can use these profits   within its budget.  So things like offshore wind licences and rents from oil pipelines, as well as from Scottish land owned by the Crown..   So it seems Scotland does get considerable benefit now.

 

Prior to that, it was the Blair government which set the law which allowed the Crown Estates to earn  some income  from having offshore wind turbines sited on its seabed.   

 

I think theres an international law/convention that any country with a seashore owns the seabed stretching 12 miles out.  What each country does  with that ownership is for their government  to decide - maybe lease bits of it to offshore mining companies to extract stuff.     

 

[I P Knightley]

On 24/03/2022 at 23:12, FWJ said:

I wonder how many people in this country didn’t benefit from the slave trade.  How many didn’t benefit from the empire.  It was only because our attempt at empire-building was so piss-poor (Darien) that we had to join into the union and once we gained access to England’s colonies we became very enthusiastic empire builders. Take a look at maps of Canada, Australia or New Zealand and see how much is named after Scots.

 

But, yeah.  It’s much more edgy to say you want to kill the royal family, so bash on.

This is the thing. The Royal Family are figureheads but the benefits to British whiteys are massive.

 

Take, for example, anyone who's worked for Level Brothers/Unilever. Lord Leverhulme made his fortune on the back of the slave trade (reportedly in quite gruesome ways) so it would follow that every employee (& their families), every supplier and every shareholder or investment fund that has taken money from the company has been a beneficiary. Basically, the wealth of the entire country has benefitted to some degree from the slave trade.

 

As the figureheads, it's right that pressure is put on the Royal Family to do what they can to make good the history but calling for their assets to be confiscated is the start of a long slope.

 

 

Edit - I didn't come on to write any of that; just to observe that they're having a commeroration at Westminster Abbey and they're expecting Nonce Andrew to pitch up to pay his respects to his dad.

Edited March 29, 2022 by I P Knightley

[The Mighty Thor]

8 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

This is the thing. The Royal Family are figureheads but the benefits to British whiteys are massive.

 

Take, for example, anyone who's worked for Level Brothers/Unilever. Lord Leverhulme made his fortune on the back of the slave trade (reportedly in quite gruesome ways) so it would follow that every employee (& their families), every supplier and every shareholder or investment fund that has taken money from the company has been a beneficiary. Basically, the wealth of the entire country has benefitted to some degree from the slave trade.

 

As the figureheads, it's right that pressure is put on the Royal Family to do what they can to make good the history but calling for their assets to be confiscated is the start of a long slope.

 

 

Edit - I didn't come on to write any of that; just to observe that they're having a commeroration at Westminster Abbey and they're expecting Nonce Andrew to pitch up to pay his respects to his dad.

There has unquestionably been a huge benefit to the UK from slavery and the empire. It's what makes a small country tucked away in the North Atlantic the global power it once was.

 

However there's one family who over the centuries have profited above all others on the backs of firstly their own citizens and then the citizens and natural resources  of countless other countries.

 

Do they show regret or remorse? what do you think?

 

[Der Kaiser]

2 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

Edit - I didn't come on to write any of that; just to observe that they're having a commeroration at Westminster Abbey and they're expecting Nonce Andrew to pitch up to pay his respects to his dad.

 

You think he got +1 on his invitation and immediately thought..."But what is the maximum age though?"

[Armageddon]

Love hearing GSTQ in all it's glory!  And I voted 'Yes', just something about it that makes me sit up, something confident about the slow tempo it's belted out at.

[The Real Maroonblood]

4 minutes ago, Armageddon said:

Love hearing GSTQ in all it's glory!  And I voted 'Yes', just something about it that makes me sit up, something confident about the slow tempo it's belted out at.

Edited March 29, 2022 by The Real Maroonblood

[Armageddon]

2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

 

Deserved, totally deserved!

[ri Alban]

On 24/03/2022 at 23:12, FWJ said:

I wonder how many people in this country didn’t benefit from the slave trade.  How many didn’t benefit from the empire.  It was only because our attempt at empire-building was so piss-poor (Darien) that we had to join into the union and once we gained access to England’s colonies we became very enthusiastic empire builders. Take a look at maps of Canada, Australia or New Zealand and see how much is named after Scots.

 

But, yeah.  It’s much more edgy to say you want to kill the royal family, so bash on.

The old Darien made Scotland bankrupt myth . The Scottish burghs had plenty, the Scottish scum who lost their money went bust with Darien, who decided they'd like to be part of the English empire, throw in the English army waiting to invade if the parliament said no. But hey, tell everyone the British propaganda of how Scotland begged to be in the Union. There's a good boy .

Edited March 29, 2022 by ri Alban

[ri Alban]

And let's get one thing straight, Scotland lost its Royal family in 1603. 

[FWJ]

It’s this kind of denial, head-in-the-sand historical revisionism that made me think very carefully about voting ‘yes’.  

As one example, access to England’s colonies turned Glasgow from an ecclesiastical backwater into a place that was proud to call itself ‘the second city of the empire’.

Or another - where did the money come from to build the New Town?

 

(I did vote ‘yes’ in the end FWIW)

Edited March 29, 2022 by FWJ

[FWJ]

On 26/03/2022 at 11:03, jack D and coke said:

Royal family “Hold my beer … while we give whoever organised this shambles a bo**ocking, because it wasn’t us.  We’re just going to smile politely and wave even though we’re cringing inside”

 

Maybe President Boris would do it better.

[manaliveits105]

Nice to see Elsie Mcselfie at Westminster to pay homage to the the Royal Family 

[jack D and coke]

38 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Royal family “Hold my beer … while we give whoever organised this shambles a bo**ocking, because it wasn’t us.  We’re just going to smile politely and wave even though we’re cringing inside”

 

Maybe President Boris would do it better.

Haha well maybe no Boris🤣 imo it doesn’t really matter where in the world it is. It’s almost worse up here we’ve had them forever and you’d have people who die in their 50’s out singing about royalty just wait till this jubilee  it’ll be hilarious its bordering on nonce behaviour worshipping that lot. 
Anyone who doesn’t cringe looking at that needs a lobotomy  

[FWJ]

3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Haha well maybe no Boris🤣 imo it doesn’t really matter where in the world it is. It’s almost worse up here we’ve had them forever and you’d have people who die in their 50’s out singing about royalty just wait till this jubilee  it’ll be hilarious its bordering on nonce behaviour worshipping that lot. 
Anyone who doesn’t cringe looking at that needs a lobotomy  

Pretty sure they’d be cringing themselves, but they do what they’re told (by and large) - at least the ones that matter do - when it comes to carrying out state duties.  And I’d say they do it pretty well.

[jack D and coke]

1 minute ago, FWJ said:

Pretty sure they’d be cringing themselves, but they do what they’re told (by and large) - at least the ones that matter do - when it comes to carrying out state duties.  And I’d say they do it pretty well.

If you enjoy it fair enough man. 
It’s not for me. It’s a century out of date at least. 
 

[The Real Maroonblood]

13 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Pretty sure they’d be cringing themselves, but they do what they’re told (by and large) - at least the ones that matter do - when it comes to carrying out state duties.  And I’d say they do it pretty well.

It’s hard work opening Garden Fetes and similar.

[Morgan]

18 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

It’s hard work opening Garden Fetes and similar.

 

Remember though, they launch ships too.

 

Don't forget the ship launching.

[The Real Maroonblood]

11 minutes ago, Morgan said:

 

Remember though, they launch ships too.

 

Don't forget the ship launching.

👍

[Sharpie]

I look at myself, every week I spend $20.00 on lottery tickets so I can win a lottery, the ideal of course is the big mega million one, so that I can live like, umm what oh I know Royalty, rich movie stars, millionaire fitba' and hockey players, aye they are despicable people and always will be 'til I become one of them and then they will be my peers and I'll love em all.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, jack D and coke said:

If you enjoy it fair enough man. 
It’s not for me. It’s a century out of date at least. 
 

I don’t enjoy it as such (I don’t have the tea towels and coronation tea set) but I just think if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.  Also - if it’s good enough for countries like Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands…  why not?

 

All this talk of us being ‘on our knees’ - if we really wanted a republic we could just vote for one.  
 

And if we had a President?  Assuming we would have a non-executive ‘figurehead’ style like Ireland or Germany, there is always a taint of politics about them.  It would just be another institution, another office for people to moan about.  And could you imagine the kind of President Mc Presidenty-Face craiturs the Great British Public would vote for?