The Royal family

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Carl Fredrickson said:

 

Nice to see him in the news for something positive for a change. 

 

[Morgan]

1 hour ago, Carl Fredrickson said:

 

Nice to see him in the news for something positive for a change. 

 

[BigAlim]

The Queen is sound, the rest of them are ***** imo

[A Boy Named Crow]

6 hours ago, SwindonJambo said:

And others couldn’t.  Again let’s not judge the past by the standards of the present. History is there to be acknowledged, learnt from and we move on. 

I think the point to be made here is that Scotland has moved on, whereas our neighbours to a degree still hold the same views as our imperial ancestors.  I lived in the south of England for nine years,  and knew nice,  respectable people... who sincerely believed Empire was the ideal of government.

 

It's fair to say Scots of the past were involved in building the empire. It's also fair to say the Scots of today are much less "into it" than the English of today.

 

If we judged everybody by the actions of their ancestors, nobody with the last name Campbell would ever have been served a Big Mac!

[beerbandit]

On 01/06/2022 at 14:42, Smithee said:

 

Are they a draw for the tourists?

No. Have a look at the Republic website.

[John Gentleman]

Seen pictures of the auld yin on the balcony last night. I reckon she'll be lucky to see out the year.

[ri Alban]

10 hours ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

But,  but, the SNP were supporting the Nazis... Said many a f*ckwit who is against Indy.

That's been debunked in many an occasion. But it will still be thrown about by the indoctrinated. 

 

8 hours ago, jonesy said:

So that's why the SNP are keen to retain the monarchy? Vote yes, Vote Fourth Reich? 😜 

You do realise the SNP can put in their manifesto what they like, post independence. And so can every other party, who can put up reunification . They need to be elected first. 

 

 

Indyref isn't a General election. But you knew that.

[il Duce McTarkin]

4 hours ago, John Gentleman said:

Seen pictures of the auld yin on the balcony last night. I reckon she'll be lucky to see out the year.

 

If she sees the end of the month she'll be doing well.

[Boof]

What actually happened on 2 June 1952 to make this the 70th anniversary?

 

Auld Geordie popped his solid gold, diamond-encrusted clogs on 6 Feb 1952.

 

Betty I donned the shiny hat on 2 June 1953.

 

Is 2 June her accession date?

 

Does that mean we actually DID manage to have a glorious monarch-free period from 6/2/52 - 2/6/52?

 

Or was yesterday the actual 70th anniversary of...**** all really?

[Boab]

9 minutes ago, Boof said:

What actually happened on 2 June 1952 to make this the 70th anniversary?

 

Auld Geordie popped his solid gold, diamond-encrusted clogs on 6 Feb 1952.

 

Betty I donned the shiny hat on 2 June 1953.

 

Is 2 June her accession date?

 

Does that mean we actually DID manage to have a glorious monarch-free period from 6/2/52 - 2/6/52?

 

Or was yesterday the actual 70th anniversary of...**** all really?

It is Feb but thought it better to do the parties n shit in June !

Street party in Feb ?

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[Boof]

15 minutes ago, Boab said:

It is Feb but thought it better to do the parties n shit in June !

Street party in Feb ?

🤨

 

 

So it's all horseshite about 'how she's served her country so well'?

A healthy (thanks to top-class medics) young woman couldn't be arsed to put on a coat so chose when she was going to elevate herself above the peasants?

[jamboy1982]

24 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

So it's all horseshite about 'how she's served her country so well'?

A healthy (thanks to top-class medics) young woman couldn't be arsed to put on a coat so chose when she was going to elevate herself above the peasants?

Nothing more than a pr branding exercise. The popularity of the royals is deteriorating quickly so what better way to boost their popularity than to wave their wealth, power and privilege in us poor peoples faces! 
 

the narrative seems to be all about the passing on of the royal torch to the big ear twat and the bald cheat William. The media spin around William and Kate has been nauseating. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

2 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

Nothing more than a pr branding exercise. The popularity of the royals is deteriorating quickly so what better way to boost their popularity than to wave their wealth, power and privilege in us poor peoples faces! 
 

the narrative seems to be all about the passing on of the royal torch to the big ear twat and the bald cheat William. The media spin around William and Kate has been nauseating. 

[Unknown user]

[dobmisterdobster]

[dobmisterdobster]

12 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I think the point to be made here is that Scotland has moved on, whereas our neighbours to a degree still hold the same views as our imperial ancestors.  I lived in the south of England for nine years,  and knew nice,  respectable people... who sincerely believed Empire was the ideal of government.

 

It's fair to say Scots of the past were involved in building the empire. It's also fair to say the Scots of today are much less "into it" than the English of today.

 

If we judged everybody by the actions of their ancestors, nobody with the last name Campbell would ever have been served a Big Mac!

 

Scottish exceptionalism is alive and well. The myth that will never die.

[Riccarton3]

Johnson recites the New Testament. The joke just gets sicker

[The Mighty Thor]

14 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Nuremberg rally stuff right there. 

 

 

[A_A wehatethehibs]

20 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Nuremberg rally stuff right there. 

 

 

I don’t see any perpetrators of a holocaust in that image nor on the balcony? 

[FWJ]

The amount of hyperbole and nonsense that’s posted on this thread makes me more & more glad we don’t have an elected head of state.

[il Duce McTarkin]

36 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Nuremberg rally stuff right there. 

 

 

 

 

You have to admit, that was some spectacle.

[Unknown user]

25 minutes ago, FWJ said:

The amount of hyperbole and nonsense that’s posted on this thread makes me more & more glad we don’t have an elected head of state.

 

You're going to need to join the dots on that one, how are they linked?

[Unknown user]

29 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

I don’t see any perpetrators of a holocaust in that image nor on the balcony? 

 

You wouldn't have at Nuremberg either, it hadn't happened yet.

[A_A wehatethehibs]

2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

You wouldn't have at Nuremberg either, it hadn't happened yet.

That doesn’t make them not the perpetrators of the holocaust mate 

[A Boy Named Crow]

1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Scottish exceptionalism is alive and well. The myth that will never die.

Are Scots exceptional, in that they have moved on from the world of slavery and imperialism? What's wrong with you??? I thought everybody was on the same page with this!

[FWJ]

22 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

You're going to need to join the dots on that one, how are they linked?

Given the rancour that this thread generates what would it be like if there was a vote for a head of state - everything is so extreme these days?

 

How many people would actually bother to vote and would that let bizarre candidates win?

 

Assuming the majority of all potential voters didn’t vote for the president how much appeal would they have?

 

How much would an election every 4 / 5 years cost?

 

How could we ensure the president was utterly disinterested politically? Being elected gives even one who assures us they are neutral a whiff of legitimacy.  Won’t they stick their nose in?  (I think Charles will and that will be A Problem)

 

I’m a bit meh really, but if it’s good enough for Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands etc, it’s good enough for me.  If it ain’t broke, why fix it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[micole]

I'll go with this.

[Unknown user]

23 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

That doesn’t make them not the perpetrators of the holocaust mate 

 

We have no idea what these guys will do in the future, just like the crowds at Nuremberg didn't know about a future holocaust.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

I don’t see any perpetrators of a holocaust in that image nor on the balcony? 

Since we’ve already gone Godwin - I suspect there might be one or two in that crowd that actually fought the Nazis, and if not there then there will be at similar events up and down the country.  Their children and grandchildren will be among them too.

[Angel eyes]

The bold Nicola gets a beano to London yet she doesn’t want anything to do with London, Westminster or the like so you there?

[A_A wehatethehibs]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

 

We have no idea what these guys will do in the future, just like the crowds at Nuremberg didn't know about a future holocaust.

Ah so Hitler didn’t mention the Jewish Question at all in his rantings in the 15 years prior to the war? My mistake 
 

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Given the rancour that this thread generates what would it be like if there was a vote for a head of state - everything is so extreme these days?

 

How many people would actually bother to vote and would that let bizarre candidates win?

 

Assuming the majority of all potential voters didn’t vote for the president how much appeal would they have?

 

How much would an election every 4 / 5 years cost?

 

How could we ensure the president was utterly disinterested politically? Being elected gives even one who assures us they are neutral a whiff of legitimacy.  Won’t they stick their nose in?  (I think Charles will and that will be A Problem)

 

I’m a bit meh really, but if it’s good enough for Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands etc, it’s good enough for me.  If it ain’t broke, why fix it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a weak argument, don't allow democracy in case there's a walloper?

[Unknown user]

Just now, A_A wehatethehibs said:

Ah so Hitler didn’t mention the Jewish Question at all in his rantings in the 15 years prior to the war? My mistake 

 

That's something else altogether, no one was cheering holocaust perpetrators at Nuremberg because it hadn't happened yet.

[FWJ]

3 minutes ago, micole said:

I'll go with this.

I’d be surprised if the expensive education enjoyed by Viscount Stansgate didn’t give him some privilege.

[micole]

1 minute ago, Angel eyes said:

The bold Nicola gets a beano to London yet she doesn’t want anything to do with London, Westminster or the like so you there?

I guess she is obligated to go, as being FM, like it or not she has to represent all of Scotland, unionists and indy supporters.

[A_A wehatethehibs]

Just now, Smithee said:

 

That's something else altogether, no one was cheering holocaust perpetrators at Nuremberg because it hadn't happened yet.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nuremberg-laws

 

You need to brush up on your Nazi history mate.

[micole]

1 minute ago, FWJ said:

I’d be surprised if the expensive education enjoyed by Viscount Stansgate didn’t give him some privilege.

Very true but he did reject most of his " privileges " including a Lordship if memory serves me right, I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[A Boy Named Crow]

15 minutes ago, FWJ said:

Given the rancour that this thread generates what would it be like if there was a vote for a head of state - everything is so extreme these days?

 

How many people would actually bother to vote and would that let bizarre candidates win?

 

Assuming the majority of all potential voters didn’t vote for the president how much appeal would they have?

 

How much would an election every 4 / 5 years cost?

 

How could we ensure the president was utterly disinterested politically? Being elected gives even one who assures us they are neutral a whiff of legitimacy.  Won’t they stick their nose in?  (I think Charles will and that will be A Problem)

 

I’m a bit meh really, but if it’s good enough for Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands etc, it’s good enough for me.  If it ain’t broke, why fix it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leisure centre opening duties doled out like jury duty, no elections,  zero ****s given because it's a a job that really doesn't ****ing matter!

[FWJ]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

That's a weak argument, don't allow democracy in case there's a walloper?

It is, by itself.  
There are other reasons why a constitutional monarchy is a good-enough way to run a country.  

And it seems to work.  Take a look at the countries with the highest ‘Human Development Index’.  You’ll find constitutional monarchies over-represented.

 

As I seem to keep on saying, I don’t have the jubilee tea cups and coronation tea-towels, I’m not going to a jubilee party.  But I’m in my late 50s now and there has been a bit of constancy throughout my life which, as pathetic as it sounds, is …. good.  Works for me.

[The Mighty Thor]

40 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

That doesn’t make them not the perpetrators of the holocaust mate 

If you're applying that kind of logic then you'll see descendants of the perpetrators of genocide, slavery and industrial scale plundering on that balcony. 

[FWJ]

2 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Leisure centre opening duties doled out like jury duty, no elections,  zero ****s given because it's a a job that really doesn't ****ing matter!

So should we abandon the idea of having a separate head of state and just give that to the prime minister?

[FWJ]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

If you're applying that kind of logic then you'll see descendants of the perpetrators of genocide, slavery and industrial scale plundering on that balcony. 

And every single one of us in this thread, I reckon.

[il Duce McTarkin]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

If you're applying that kind of logic then you'll see descendants of the perpetrators of genocide, slavery and industrial scale plundering on that balcony. 

 

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
 

[A_A wehatethehibs]

Just now, The Mighty Thor said:

If you're applying that kind of logic then you'll see descendants of the perpetrators of genocide, slavery and industrial scale plundering on that balcony. 

👇click here 

 

9 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nuremberg-laws

 

You need to brush up on your Nazi history mate.

 

I know maybe just trolling, but for

the avoidance of doubt it is

utterly idiotic to draw any comparison between modern Britain and pre war nazi Germany.

[A Boy Named Crow]

Just now, FWJ said:

So should we abandon the idea of having a separate head of state and just give that to the prime minister?

I live in a country where the queen's representative sacked the elected prime minister in 1975. 

 

I'd probably say i'd prefer such powers rested with competent civil servants. Monarchy has no place in modern democracy.

[The Mighty Thor]

 

 

6 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

👇click here 

 

 

I know maybe just trolling, but for

the avoidance of doubt it is

utterly idiotic to draw any comparison between modern Britain and pre war nazi Germany.

Oh there's more than a passing comparison to the authoritarian direction of travel of Johnson's Tories and the National Socialist party of the early 1930s.

 

 

Edited June 3, 2022 by The Mighty Thor

[FWJ]

1 minute ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I live in a country where the queen's representative sacked the elected prime minister in 1975. 

 

I'd probably say i'd prefer such powers rested with competent civil servants. Monarchy has no place in modern democracy.

And in the general election the people agreed and he suffered a resounding defeat.

 

But yes, that shouldn’t have happened and I doubt it will happen again 

[A_A wehatethehibs]

2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

 

 

Oh there's more than a passing comparison to the authoritarian direction of travel of Johnson's Tories and the National Socialist party of the early 1930s.

 

 

Pahahah 

[Unknown user]

16 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nuremberg-laws

 

You need to brush up on your Nazi history mate.

 

It was you who specifically said holocaust perpetrators, all I'm saying is by the last Nuremberg rally in 1939 there had been no holocaust.

 

[A Boy Named Crow]

2 minutes ago, FWJ said:

And in the general election the people agreed and he suffered a resounding defeat.

 

But yes, that shouldn’t have happened and I doubt it will happen again 

Your last paragraph, of course it shouldn't have happened  it was a disgrace. Why are you so sure it'll never happen in Broken Britain???