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Ainsley Harriott
2 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

You’ll be taking the 100/1 offered by the OP then.

 

I don’t think he’ll be here. I’m not sure we’re as far down the line on a new manager as the OP says but he can’t be allowed to continue against this strength of fan feeling

The strength of feeling means nothing to Ann. Look how long she kept Craig against the sense of feeling. I hope you're right and I'm wrong though. I'm not a betting man either 

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4 hours ago, Rick Sanchez said:

Robbie sacrificed a shot at the Premiership with Dundee Utd to come back to us. I don't see Ann getting rid of him before another chance at it. She ain't got it in her.

 

I pray, but I don't see it.

Spot on 

Unfortunately I may add 

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stevie1874
12 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

I really disagree. For me,  the last thing we need is another unimaginative, pragmatic, safe Scottish football type appointment.

 

Our club is fractured. We need someone to reunite and excite us all.

 

Yes, I get the risk, but I don't think it's a huge one. Look how far we've sunk. Back in the real batshit days of Romanov, coming 5th or 6th was a bad season.

 

Our morale as a fan base is so low that we're willing to accept dreary shite if it gets us top 6??! No way, we should be able to achieve at least that even if we're erratic as hell under some maverick!!

 

And let's not forget Ann actually brought in both Cathro and Stendel. She is not against progressive appointments.

 

I'd love us to get in someone like Stendel again,  or Big Dunc. A personality who takes no prisoners and demands passion first and foremost from his players.

 

Alex Neil probably provides a happy medium in all of this. Plays quite positive football, a modern type of coach who has developed youth, good understanding of Scottish football.

 

McInnes, it actually upsets me that we're so desperate that there are quite a few want this prick. He's Craig Levein, but actually with way less intelligence. Levein can at least point to some structural work which he can be proud of such as the youth success at Dundee United.

This is where I’m at also, we really need someone to unite the support. Another safe boring appointment from the usual suspects will increase the apathy further amongst the fans. Whether we can afford something different remains to be seen. 

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gregzy2k7

I would take Alex neil or duncan ferguson but i really think we should explore the foreign route thoroughly before rushing a decision, I don't want Mcinness, he is too defensive minded imo and i feel their are far better options out there, each to their own though.

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stevie1874
4 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

The strength of feeling means nothing to Ann. Look how long she kept Craig against the sense of feeling. I hope you're right and I'm wrong though. I'm not a betting man either 

If it starts hurting the business then I think she will act. Season ticket uptakes could push her into change. 

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jr ewing
28 minutes ago, Dr. Sheldon Cooper said:

Someone please tell me more about McInnes' brilliant record at developing young players, as I'm yet to hear any evidence of it.

 

Even Aberdeen fans don't believe that was a strength of his.

It's not mandatory and has been shown it's a waste of time and money. Settle for a winning team with experienced pros any time. 

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2 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

It's not mandatory and has been shown it's a waste of time and money. Settle for a winning team with experienced pros any time. 

All the best Hearts teams have a number of exciting young players, either coming through the youth ranks or buying best young Scottish talent...

 

and all Hearts teams based around ageing pros have been total failures.

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5-1Jambo

Not saying we should bring him back but it would have been interesting to have seen what Stendel would have done in this league and with 2 transfer windows. Might have had some "blips" but sure he would have had us working towards next season. 

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I often wonder what the club makes of these threads. They’re either laughing at the wind up or wondering how the OP got their info. Or maybe the OP is a plant, break the news through here to calm everyone done.

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12 minutes ago, gregzy2k7 said:

I would take Alex neil or duncan ferguson but i really think we should explore the foreign route thoroughly before rushing a decision, I don't want Mcinness, he is too defensive minded imo and i feel their are far better options out there, each to their own though.

I know you are not alone as many other posters have also said they would like Alex Neil but why?. He did ok at Hamilton, I think we were all surprised when he was appointed by Norwich. He took over a good side and he got them promoted so ok but just because he has managed in the premiership and championship doesn't make him a great manager. So what facts are behind the wishes? 

Ps - Happy to be convinced

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TheBigO
45 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:


And at Hearts?
 

I disagree with your first paragraph. What we need now is exactly someone who does not try to be too clever, plays to the strengths of the squad in front of him and gets results. 
 

3 years of McInnes would be ideal for us imo

Honestly, you wouldn't be saying that if it happened.

 

His record is actually shite at Aberdeen. Just happened his only competition were goosed during his reign. And he refused to accept Celtic as a rival.

 

Any time another team has pulled a half decent season together, Aberdeen have crumbled.

 

Saying he's a safe manager means thats how he plays, not that we're safe in his hands.

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Dr. Sheldon Cooper
51 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:


I am not sure he did but he would point to his track record of league positions over a sustained period and doing decent in Europe. 
 

Whilst I would love to see our team winning with a nucleus of academy products, it’s more important to me to be winning. 

 

34 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

It's not mandatory and has been shown it's a waste of time and money. Settle for a winning team with experienced pros any time. 

 

I agree with both of you in fairness, just picking up on comments from others that his record with youth is a reason why he should be hired.

 

A winning team is all that really matters. I don't particularly care about "style" either as a winning and confident team will play an exciting brand of football but as long as we're winning games I don't really care how we do it.

 

For what it's worth, I believe a lot of the gripes people have about Neilson currently would still exist with McInnes in charge.  Aberdeen went through a spell at the start of this season where they were actually quite exciting to watch but soon reverted to type and in the main, they were a boring side to watch throughout his tenure.

 

Criticisms directed at Neilson which would also apply to McInnes? Style of play, constant rotation of his starting XI, plays players out of position regularly and overthinks his selections and tactics for big games.

 

His domestic record is very good in terms of league placing but despite taking Aberdeen to multiple cup semi finals and finals, one League Cup for his troubles is pretty poor truth be told.  Robbie Neilson has come closer to winning the Scottish Cup in this current spell than Derek McInnes ever did with Aberdeen.

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Sir Gio
12 hours ago, andrew said:

 

Aberdeen finished in Europe 8 times in a row under McInnes and reached Hampden (i.e. semis or finals) 13 times. He brought in or nurtured guys like McLean, Jack, Shinney, Cosgrove and McKenna who have all go on to play at a higher level and had guys like Logan, Lewis, Ferguson, Rooney, McGinn and GMS who would have all walked it into our team at the time.

 

Meanwhile we've had higher attendances, been a more attractive club in terms of city, stadium and training facilities, had a huge amount of private investment and yet we've had one 3rd place finish, the rest has been mid table mediocrity or worse.

 

Anyone turning up their nose at the possibility of him replacing Neilson as manger is mental imo, we're an absolute shambles of a club at the moment.

:lol:

 

His time was 4 maybe 5 years ago,  you have just stuck your fingers in your ears and not listened. 

 

He doesn't work with Directors, and 750k a year for what? What did he achieve in Europe when he got there?

 

2 cup ties both lost to Hearts. Shit the bed every time they play Celtic. 

 

Go compare their semifinal abdication to Hearts cup final fight back and tell me honestly this is what you wish for Hearts, more of the same but even more cowardly 

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It’s mad that anyone thinks that in football this would happen. If Robbie has been told he’s going in the summer he’d pack up his desk and leave now, not a chance he’d stick around. Robbie may well be told to leave in the summer but not believing for a second he’s been told that now. 

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jr ewing
2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

:lol:

 

His time was 4 maybe 5 years ago,  you have just stuck your fingers in your ears and not listened. 

 

He doesn't work with Directors, and 750k a year for what? What did he achieve in Europe when he got there?

 

2 cup ties both lost to Hearts. Shit the bed every time they play Celtic. 

 

Go compare their semifinal abdication to Hearts cup final fight back and tell me honestly this is what you wish for Hearts, more of the same but even more cowardly 

Europe? Would settle for top six!

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Nookie Bear
3 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

It’s mad that anyone thinks that in football this would happen. If Robbie has been told he’s going in the summer he’d pack up his desk and leave now, not a chance he’d stick around. Robbie may well be told to leave in the summer but not believing for a second he’s been told that now. 


Promotion Bonus £££

 

(But I don’t believe for a second this has happened and fully expect him to be here next season)

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Sir Gio
2 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

Europe? Would settle for top six!

We wouldn't. We didn't with Neilson first time round so let's not pretend we are that easily pleased. 

 

The football has to be more attractive and results to go with it. 

 

Jack Ross is doing it now with Hibs, that will upset plenty but its reality right now. 

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Berra than you
7 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

It’s mad that anyone thinks that in football this would happen. If Robbie has been told he’s going in the summer he’d pack up his desk and leave now, not a chance he’d stick around. Robbie may well be told to leave in the summer but not believing for a second he’s been told that now. 

That's it. The only way it's at all possible is if it's his decision and he has said to the board he will step down in the summer. I find that hard to believe.

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I don’t see why we would steam in to get McInnes tbh

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ford donald
2 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

It’s mad that anyone thinks that in football this would happen. If Robbie has been told he’s going in the summer he’d pack up his desk and leave now, not a chance he’d stick around. Robbie may well be told to leave in the summer but not believing for a second he’s been told that now. 

Different ways of looking at,he would leave the club with dignity and respect,having gained promotion to the SPL,if he has been told that,departing now would look bad all round for everyone,end of season is the time for changes,makes all transitions smoother,yes?

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TheBigO
28 minutes ago, 5-1Jambo said:

Not saying we should bring him back but it would have been interesting to have seen what Stendel would have done in this league and with 2 transfer windows. Might have had some "blips" but sure he would have had us working towards next season. 

The really big thing for me there is Savage. Dan admitted he's not comfy in transfers. That team could work. Would love to see it. Won't happen.

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1 minute ago, ford donald said:

Different ways of looking at,he would leave the club with dignity and respect,having gained promotion to the SPL,if he has been told that,departing now would look bad all round for everyone,end of season is the time for changes,makes all transitions smoother,yes?


There is no way the club would tell him he is leaving in the summer why does anyone think this is remotely plausible. an idiotic suggestion.

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Just now, ford donald said:

Different ways of looking at,he would leave the club with dignity and respect,having gained promotion to the SPL,if he has been told that,departing now would look bad all round for everyone,end of season is the time for changes,makes all transitions smoother,yes?

Football doesn’t work like that. Robbie is preparing for next season and as far as am concerned he thinks he’ll still be here next year. If he was told he’s leaving he’d have left now. Just can’t see him staying and then walking away. 

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Ainsley Harriott
1 hour ago, gregzy2k7 said:

I would take Alex neil or duncan ferguson but i really think we should explore the foreign route thoroughly before rushing a decision, I don't want Mcinness, he is too defensive minded imo and i feel their are far better options out there, each to their own though.

Dont worry about thoroughness. If we sack Robbie now Ann will have a new manager in place around mid october after she has completed a 47 candidate 12 stage interview process

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10 minutes ago, ford donald said:

Different ways of looking at,he would leave the club with dignity and respect,having gained promotion to the SPL,if he has been told that,departing now would look bad all round for everyone,end of season is the time for changes,makes all transitions smoother,yes?


Too late for that tbh

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jr ewing
12 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

We wouldn't. We didn't with Neilson first time round so let's not pretend we are that easily pleased. 

 

The football has to be more attractive and results to go with it. 

 

Jack Ross is doing it now with Hibs, that will upset plenty but its reality right now. 

He won't have many supporters left to please at this rate. 

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iainmac
55 minutes ago, Rudy T said:

I often wonder what the club makes of these threads. They’re either laughing at the wind up or wondering how the OP got their info. Or maybe the OP is a plant, break the news through here to calm everyone done.

 

OP comes on with half a scoop.

 

Anonymously let's us know there will be a new manager but refuses to tell us who it is? Ask yourself why?

 

Maybe to take the pressure off the Board as it looks like they've listened & will act? Buys them time until the end of the season when they announce nothing is changing.

 

Classic ”jam tomorrow” that we're all used to. Colour me suspicious.

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1 hour ago, Jambomb said:

All the best Hearts teams have a number of exciting young players, either coming through the youth ranks or buying best young Scottish talent...

 

and all Hearts teams based around ageing pros have been total failures.

We have signed ON LOAN Shay Logan aged 33.

I am sure all Hearts fans wished we'd never signed Sandy Jardine or Alex. McDonald who were the same age!

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35 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Honestly, you wouldn't be saying that if it happened.

 

His record is actually shite at Aberdeen. Just happened his only competition were goosed during his reign. And he refused to accept Celtic as a rival.

 

Any time another team has pulled a half decent season together, Aberdeen have crumbled.

 

Saying he's a safe manager means thats how he plays, not that we're safe in his hands.

Give up mate , all people see is lots of semis and a few cup finals and some second place finishes when there was no competition. I tried yesterday. I wouldn’t say his record is shite but its at best met expectations sometimes been below expectations sometimes.

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34 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

Honestly, you wouldn't be saying that if it happened.

 

His record is actually shite at Aberdeen. Just happened his only competition were goosed during his reign. And he refused to accept Celtic as a rival.

 

Any time another team has pulled a half decent season together, Aberdeen have crumbled.

 

Saying he's a safe manager means thats how he plays, not that we're safe in his hands.

 

Lets be honest, Celtic or Rangers are not even in the same ballpark as Aberdeen or Hearts, the gap is too big. You can say what you want about Hearts challenging at the top of the league but the reality is the gap is too big and the best we can look to do in the short term is close that gap by making the right decisions on and off the park. 

 

The fact that McInnes even got close to those Celtic teams was impressive. I just don't know how you can say that a manager who took a team finishing outside the top 6 for 3 consecutive seasons into Europe for 8 consecutive years has a poor record, it's astounding. 

 

You can have your opinions on McInnes as a guy and his style of play or his cup record (1 more cup than us in the same period btw), but the facts are that he was very successful at Aberdeen. The sort of success we should be aiming for.

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2 minutes ago, sadj said:

Give up mate , all people see is lots of semis and a few cup finals and some second place finishes when there was no competition. I tried yesterday. I wouldn’t say his record is shite but its at best met expectations sometimes been below expectations sometimes.

 

How many Hearts managers have 'met expectations' in you opinion in the last 20 years?

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16 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

Football doesn’t work like that. Robbie is preparing for next season and as far as am concerned he thinks he’ll still be here next year. If he was told he’s leaving he’d have left now. Just can’t see him staying and then walking away. 

It can work like that at times , its just not the most common scenario. The planning for next season will have been underway since before January. For Robbie if he stays  and we trip over the line its a notch on his managers post , we get what we want and we can all move on with a bit more peace n harmony. If he stays he stays is my opinion , the summer is massive as we all know things are not how they should be at the moment. The mitigating factors should still not have us as we are.

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stevie1874
34 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

It’s mad that anyone thinks that in football this would happen. If Robbie has been told he’s going in the summer he’d pack up his desk and leave now, not a chance he’d stick around. Robbie may well be told to leave in the summer but not believing for a second he’s been told that now. 

He’s overseeing a team who have been put out of both cups by lower division teams. If he can get us over the line to promotion and leave in mutual terms then his reputation is intact. If he was to leave now not so, so whether it’s fabricated or not it’s totally plausible. 

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ford donald
20 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

Football doesn’t work like that. Robbie is preparing for next season and as far as am concerned he thinks he’ll still be here next year. If he was told he’s leaving he’d have left now. Just can’t see him staying and then walking away. 

His CV would still look good.

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4 minutes ago, sadj said:

Give up mate , all people see is lots of semis and a few cup finals and some second place finishes when there was no competition. I tried yesterday. I wouldn’t say his record is shite but its at best met expectations sometimes been below expectations sometimes.


😂

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Pasquale for King
4 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

 

Tho OP and Bob are besties dontcha know.

Here's what he had to say when his old mucker Rob was reappointed.

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He was right about Robs return at least. 

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Pasquale for King
3 minutes ago, ford donald said:

His CV would still look good.

Indeed and his future employees won’t worry about what fans thought of him, a bit like Budge when she rehired him or looks at our next manager 🙈

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1 minute ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said:

 

How many Hearts managers have 'met expectations' in you opinion in the last 20 years?

Thats not what we are talking about. The consensus here is McInnes rebuilt Aberdeen , McInnes develops youths , McInnes has the eye for a player , McInnes has achieved more than he should have. The stark reality is he hasn’t. (@Sir Gio went through this yesterday)
 

Aberdeen fans have been fed up with him for years. The money made on Cosgrove and McKenna was poor considering what they had bids of at times. 
 

Would he stabilise us? Yh probably , would he get us results against lower teams? Yh probably , would a lot of these games be as we watch just now? most likely but with 3pts. Would he get results against the top 6? Sometimes , would he get results when it mattered? Highly unlikely...

 

These things are not going to placate a lot of Hearts fans. 

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ford donald
2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Indeed and his future employees won’t worry about what fans thought of him, a bit like Budge when she rehired him or looks at our next manager 🙈

Exactly.

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ford donald
1 hour ago, stevie1874 said:

If it starts hurting the business then I think she will act. Season ticket uptakes could push her into change. 

I get fed up repeating myself telling people,hit then in the pocket,they will soon make changes.

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23 hours ago, Hendolad said:

Spoke to someone very close to our manager last night.100% a new manager will be appointed for next season.Rob has acknowledged this but mutual respect will see him get us over the line this season.I believe the new manager has already identified changes that he wants made and promises have been given to allow this to happen.

 

I said the other day that I hope once he leaves and the new man is in charge that the awful names our manager has been called will stop and people will realise all he has ever wanted is the best for Hearts.Hes such a nice guy and very loyal.This hasn't ended how any of us wanted but it is what it is.Lets just get the league won and let him go with our thanks and respect.

What a load of crap! you spoke to someone very close to our manager who decided to tell you ? and then you're calling him Rob ? In the last 15/20 years Robbie has been associated with hearts I have never heard him being called ROB once. 

 

This reeks of pish and to make it more believable you're shorting his name to make out its sound like your close. 

 

:symf:

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21 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

We have signed ON LOAN Shay Logan aged 33.

I am sure all Hearts fans wished we'd never signed Sandy Jardine or Alex. McDonald who were the same age!

 

:rofl:

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16 minutes ago, stevie1874 said:

He’s overseeing a team who have been put out of both cups by lower division teams. If he can get us over the line to promotion and leave in mutual terms then his reputation is intact. If he was to leave now not so, so whether it’s fabricated or not it’s totally plausible. 

Leaving on mural terms isn’t what we are saying has happened tho. The OP has said that Robbie has all ready been told he’s not being kept on, that’s what I don’t believe has happened. Budge said on the 3rd of March that Robbie was getting 3 years. I’ll be gobsmaked if she’s changed her tune 4 weeks later. I’ll be equally gobsmaked if Robbie has been brought in and told he’s not getting kept on and he’s decided to hang around for the last 4 games. 

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Personally not too bothered who comes in or if Robbie stays. (Granted he lost my backing after the Brora result) If I was pushed to pick it would be McInnes for obvious reasons. 

 

Whoever it is though better finish top 4 instantly or be hounded out. Our fans rightly or wrongly won’t settle for anything less. 

Thankfully I’m a game by game kinda guy these days. Take it as it comes week by week. Refuse to stress about long term plans. Our end game as a club can be achieved in one season. Every season. (Well except this year due to demotion)

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1 hour ago, stevie1874 said:

If it starts hurting the business then I think she will act. Season ticket uptakes could push her into change. 

You’re spot on but we won’t be selling them until May/June and by the time she realises folk are boycotting them it will be too late and then we are looking at the first set of fixtures before he’s sacked. 
He has a good knack of getting out when he knows it’s time to go. I think he will hopefully do so again with another Championship win and in his eyes his head held high with mission accomplished, with all sorts of excuses for any question of poor performances. 

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3 minutes ago, This is My Story Podcast said:

Leaving on mural terms isn’t what we are saying has happened tho. 

So the writing isn't on the wall?

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JamboAl
1 minute ago, Boris said:

So the writing isn't on the wall?

I think he means Muriel in the office is setting out the terms.

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Ainsley Harriott
14 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

What a load of crap! you spoke to someone very close to our manager who decided to tell you ? and then you're calling him Rob ? In the last 15/20 years Robbie has been associated with hearts I have never heard him being called ROB once. 

 

This reeks of pish and to make it more believable you're shorting his name to make out its sound like your close. 

 

:symf:

Personally I would have said he would be more of a Rab than a Rob. 

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