Robbies right hand man Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Was she not of age at the time? Doesn’t make it ok - the question is whether it was legal or not surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Deeds Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Robbies right hand man said: Was she not of age at the time? Doesn’t make it ok - the question is whether it was legal or not surely? The allegation is that she was trafficked for sex against her will, not that she was underage in the UK. Edited January 2, 2022 by Dirty Deeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Robbies right hand man said: Was she not of age at the time? Doesn’t make it ok - the question is whether it was legal or not surely? She was 17, in her home state the age of majority is 18. She was trafficked to another state with a lower age of consent for sex. I don't know what that means, it could be that as she was only in another jurisdiction as the victim of illegal activity, her rights as a minor stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbies right hand man Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dirty Deeds said: The allegation is that she was trafficked for sex against her will, not that she was underage in the UK. How would have the creep known that though? Has she claimed that he did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbies right hand man Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: She was 17, in her home state the age of majority is 18. She was trafficked to another state with a lower age of consent for sex. I don't know what that means, it could be that as she was only in another jurisdiction as the victim of illegal activity, her rights as a minor stand. That makes sense, cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Just now, Robbies right hand man said: How would have the creep known that though? Has she claimed that he did? She's said he knew her age iirc. The charges against him, are for sexual assualt , on 3 occassions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Age of consent in Brazil is 14. If you took a UK 14 year old there and banged them, it'd be legal there. But you'd still be a sex trafficker, as you only took the kid to Brazil with the express intent of having sex with them. There is a global agreement that anyone under the age of 18 who is trafficked for sex is a victim and the perpetrator is a criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppress_and_Punish_Trafficking_in_Persons,_Especially_Women_and_Children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbies right hand man Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cade said: Age of consent in Brazil is 14. If you took a UK 14 year old there and banged them, it'd be legal there. But you'd still be a sex trafficker, as you only took the kid to Brazil with the express intent of having sex with them. There is a global agreement that anyone under the age of 18 who is trafficked for sex is a victim and the perpetrator is a criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppress_and_Punish_Trafficking_in_Persons,_Especially_Women_and_Children 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Key day tomorrow to find out if Andrew's lawyers get case thrown out based on a deal made with Epstein for a previous payout, by getting those papers unsealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 On 02/01/2022 at 01:33, Jonkel Hoon said: His interview was a car crash, no doubt about it, but your description in your first paragraph is judgemental and assumptive. Did he know Epstein was a peado? Can anyone guarantee all of their friends are not? Is that you your highness......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Section Q said: Is that you your highness......? If not the man himself, almost certainly his mother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) On 30/12/2021 at 12:23, Spellczech said: With regards Prince Andrew, I'm of the opinion that he was probably set up by Epstein, using Maxwell. Sure he is arrogant, pompous, stupid and horny but those aren't crimes. It also doesn't appear that the girl Andrew probably had sex with was underage, but she was significantly younger than Andrew and indeed barely legal, plus at least notionally an employee of Epstein - a masseuse...Andrew has clearly been unbelievably stupid but it is a difficult call to actually say he's done anything criminal. He's certainly done something immoral though, and that is not good for the second son of the head of the Church of England... Definitely a set up but he didn't appear to need much encouraging. It's unlikely to have much effect on the monarchy either way, but it would be nice to see them in a panic, stuffing their gold candlesticks into suitcases while the escape chopper warms up on the palace lawn.... Edited January 2, 2022 by Section Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Cade said: Age of consent in Brazil is 14. If you took a UK 14 year old there and banged them, it'd be legal there. But you'd still be a sex trafficker, as you only took the kid to Brazil with the express intent of having sex with them. There is a global agreement that anyone under the age of 18 who is trafficked for sex is a victim and the perpetrator is a criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_to_Prevent,_Suppress_and_Punish_Trafficking_in_Persons,_Especially_Women_and_Children Hmmn This does indeed make it tricky and should require the Met to re-open the investigation...Maxwell's conviction although not specific to Roberts is clearly not limited to the ones that gave evidence, so the conviction gives Roberts claims more credibility. Basically you cannot employ 17 yr olds as your personal erotic masseuse and take them to other countries... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Boof said: I can recall briefly meeting Gary Mackay outside that carpet shop near Tollcross in 1984. Surely there'd be some plate-purchasing flag-shagger who'd remember seeing someone as recognisable as mummy's favourite tucking into his pizza...if he was actually there. FWIW - I believe the fence. What on earth is a "plate-purchasing flag-shagger"? Boof, nearly wet myself laughing at that yin. Edited January 3, 2022 by FinnBarr Saunders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Spellczech said: Hmmn This does indeed make it tricky and should require the Met to re-open the investigation...Maxwell's conviction although not specific to Roberts is clearly not limited to the ones that gave evidence, so the conviction gives Roberts claims more credibility. Basically you cannot employ 17 yr olds as your personal erotic masseuse and take them to other countries... I wonder if Roberts might also be charged as she went on to recruit girls herself. (If she was over 18 at the time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Section Q said: I wonder if Roberts might also be charged as she went on to recruit girls herself. (If she was over 18 at the time). That'd be a twist, wouldn't it? If she did go on to become a recruiter, she may well be in hot water...but I reckon her defence would reference the years of sexual abuse leading to diminished responsibility, or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 14 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said: That'd be a twist, wouldn't it? If she did go on to become a recruiter, she may well be in hot water...but I reckon her defence would reference the years of sexual abuse leading to diminished responsibility, or something like that. Looking on the bright side, and Andy makes Rolf Harris look good........! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just rewatched the interview with Andrew and Emily Maitlis. What a car crash, he's so thick. I hope he gets put on the stand, he'd get absolutely ruined😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Just rewatched the interview with Andrew and Emily Maitlis. What a car crash, he's so thick. I hope he gets put on the stand, he'd get absolutely ruined😂 There is no way he's going on the stand, he's the embodiment of monarchist entitlement. Any lawyer with half a brain will see that he's a liability rather than an asset in this situation. If this case goes ahead it'll be settled out of court, no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 7 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: What on earth is a "plate-purchasing flag-shagger"? Boof, nearly wet myself laughing at that yin. The sort of person who'd queue for five days to engage in this sort of activity... and buys this sort of tat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Spellczech said: Hmmn This does indeed make it tricky and should require the Met to re-open the investigation...Maxwell's conviction although not specific to Roberts is clearly not limited to the ones that gave evidence, so the conviction gives Roberts claims more credibility. Basically you cannot employ 17 yr olds as your personal erotic masseuse and take them to other countries... The events of the last couple of months have proven the Met will protect the elites at any cost, so don't expect any sort of investigation. They're too busy (potentially illegally) taking swabs of people's hands to find traces of drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Looking forward to Charlie boy using Andrew’s arseholery to reduce the Royal Family down even more. I’m all for scrapping the royals but pragmatically it can’t/will not happen overnight. All the hangers on can GTF and things like the Crown Estate can be repurposed/protected so it’s profits can contribute to the NHS/State Pensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 hours ago, Spellczech said: Hmmn This does indeed make it tricky and should require the Met to re-open the investigation...Maxwell's conviction although not specific to Roberts is clearly not limited to the ones that gave evidence, so the conviction gives Roberts claims more credibility. Basically you cannot employ 17 yr olds as your personal erotic masseuse and take them to other countries... Realised after going to bed that I hadn't checked date - only came into force in 2003 so after Andrew's actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 02/01/2022 at 17:52, Spellczech said: Andrew certainly did after Epstein's first conviction but still got himself photographed walking in a park with him... I doubt he knew quite how unsavoury Epstein and Weinstein were when he invited them to his daughter's 18th birthday - would be a bizarre thing to do if he did... The only troubling thing with Andrew is what he thought he was doing bedding the 17 year old employee of his pal...(He denies that he did). If it gets proven that he did and he lied about not doing it (along with the pretty obvious lie about not being capable of sweating) then he has a problem. The employee status of Roberts makes it very different from her just being part of a social group and you'd have to be daft not to infer that he didn't know or suspect that Epstein was getting more than massages too... - Whilst not necessarily a criminal issue it is certainly a moral problem which doesn't sit well with being the second son of the Head of the Church of England... I think there's more than one troubling thing about this clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Mysterion said: Looking forward to Charlie boy using Andrew’s arseholery to reduce the Royal Family down even more. I’m all for scrapping the royals but pragmatically it can’t/will not happen overnight. All the hangers on can GTF and things like the Crown Estate can be repurposed/protected so it’s profits can contribute to the NHS/State Pensions. The Crown estate and the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall will be well emptied before the disappear. Nothing for the NHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Section Q said: I think there's more than one troubling thing about this clown. I have it on good authority that he cheats at golf. Fond of the old "leather wedge" when the ball is in a tricky lie 😉. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, I P Knightley said: I have it on good authority that he cheats at golf. Fond of the old "leather wedge" when the ball is in a tricky lie 😉. That's what will get him more than anything. Cheating at golf is a definite no no. Bit like Al Capone. Got put away for tax evasion, and none of the other crimes he was alleged to have committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Calls for him to step down from his military role as theres a lot not comfortable toasting the Duke at dinners etc. Hes finished and it's all about damage control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ked said: Calls for him to step down from his military role as theres a lot not comfortable toasting the Duke at dinners etc. Hes finished and it's all about damage control. Don't think the military have ever been comfortable with him - had to tolerate him. Probably won't happen due to his service during the Falklands conflict in 1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Don't think the military have ever been comfortable with him - had to tolerate him. Probably won't happen due to his service during the Falklands conflict in 1982 Some senior ranks going on record and falkland vets. Its hoped he stands down . Aa Jambo j posted it's a sideshow but it is being felt establishment wise. Who is next and will it be American establishment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 the 2009 deal with epstein and VG has been released. the wording does suggest the case should not continue but it will be up to the judge to determine that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Surely his innocence would be an adequate defence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, milky_26 said: the 2009 deal with epstein and VG has been released. the wording does suggest the case should not continue but it will be up to the judge to determine that It's quite a broad brush arrangement - no action against anyone who could be viewed as a defendent since the start of the world? For $500,000? Seems unreasonable given what epstein, the witch and all the others have been up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, milky_26 said: the 2009 deal with epstein and VG has been released. the wording does suggest the case should not continue but it will be up to the judge to determine that I suppose that makes him innocent then. I take it all back; he's not a sweaty nonce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I really don't envy the judge here, as he has an almost impossible task now, with the release of these sealed court documents. No matter what he decides, I can see appeal & counter appeal, because it all comes down to the interpretation of the wording of the document, of which both sides have a different interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 hours ago, Boof said: The sort of person who'd queue for five days to engage in this sort of activity... and buys this sort of tat... Ah, didn't Mavis and some other daft auld bint in Corrie attend that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: Ah, didn't Mavis and some other daft auld bint in Corrie attend that? Too late for the edit. I don't actually watch that show, wife filled me in with details. Might have glanced once or twice when Michelle Keegan was flaunting her ample charms. PS. She was older than 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: Too late for the edit. I don't actually watch that show, wife filled me in with details. Might have glanced once or twice when Michelle Keegan was flaunting her ample charms. PS. She was older than 18. Aye but did you watch it in Bahrain? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The full text of the settlement is available on the Mail Online website https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364819/Unsealed-settlement-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Robert-makes-no-mention-Prince-Andrew.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The full text of the settlement is available on the Mail Online website https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364819/Unsealed-settlement-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Robert-makes-no-mention-Prince-Andrew.html Definitely sounds like a lot of legal argument to come to decide what happens next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Sounds like they were made for each other. One has an arrogant, misplaced sense of superiority and is stupid. The other thinks that she can take a payoff and then ignore the conditions and go back to try for more. I hope they both suffer financial pain from this. Our gimp by being kicked out of most of his earning capacity and her by not having declared her previous windfall to the US tax authorities. Both will hopefully also have a nice legal bill to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 By the looks of the unsealed document, he'll be waving from balconies again in no time. Expect him and Fergie to remarry, and whatever else it takes to get him back in the union jack tea towel brigade's good books. Sweep sweep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 hours ago, SectionDJambo said: Sounds like they were made for each other. One has an arrogant, misplaced sense of superiority and is stupid. The other thinks that she can take a payoff and then ignore the conditions and go back to try for more. I hope they both suffer financial pain from this. Our gimp by being kicked out of most of his earning capacity and her by not having declared her previous windfall to the US tax authorities. Both will hopefully also have a nice legal bill to pay. TBF one of them has allegedly been sex trafficked and abused. Nasty woman!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said: By the looks of the unsealed document, he'll be waving from balconies again in no time. Expect him and Fergie to remarry, and whatever else it takes to get him back in the union jack tea towel brigade's good books. Sweep sweep... He's an absolute ****, and we all saw it laid bare. That's enough for the Great British public to officially declare him HRH Sweaty Nonce of York. Not a declaration I'm personally making, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 23 minutes ago, Smithee said: He's an absolute ****, and we all saw it laid bare. That's enough for the Great British public to officially declare him HRH Sweaty Nonce of York. Not a declaration I'm personally making, mind. Nor would I ever endorse the chanting of "Andrew Windsor Peadophile..." to the tune of Yankee Doodle at every royal event for the foreseeable future, but others might... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said: Nor would I ever endorse the chanting of "Andrew Windsor Peadophile..." to the tune of Yankee Doodle at every royal event for the foreseeable future, but others might... Seems catchy mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Oh the sweaty nonce of York He nonced 10,000 men He ****ed them up with a flick of his **** And he ****ed them down again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: Oh the sweaty nonce of York He nonced 10,000 men He ****ed them up with a flick of his **** And he ****ed them down again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 13 hours ago, frankblack said: Definitely sounds like a lot of legal argument to come to decide what happens next. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes the ruling from a higher court to decide if Ms Giuffre in 2009 signed away her right to sue anybody else or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Homme said: TBF one of them has allegedly been sex trafficked and abused. Nasty woman I appreciate your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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