wavydavy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 20 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: We should be able to rest a few and be able to beat Arbroath. Been a lot of games and guys like Smith, Kingsley have played a lot. Don't want players to burn out physically or mentally. I'd go Brandon Popescu / Kingsley if need be Berra Halkett Lee Haring Irving Wighton Naismith Ginnelly / White I'd definitely rest Smith, probably Boyce as he is playing with injections. We play on Sunday v Dundee away. We could do with more getting injections to speed them up and move the ball quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, jr ewing said: I never take anything for granted. It's what being a Hearts supporter is all about. Me neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said: Also, the squad is strong not strong enough to deal with injuries to key players which is likely why Naismith was rested after playing 120 minutes the previous game. Looking likely Kingsley should be ok for tomorrow but if he's borderline it wouldn't be because we are taking it easy if he's rested. If KIngsley doesn't play we will no doubt find out if White is the one who tested positive for Covid as he will not be in the squad. What are the options there. Popsecu? or move Smith to LB and play Brandon RB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Gordon Halkett Haring Berra Smith Lee Naismith Irving Kingsley Wighton Boyce After watching Leeds yesterday it got me thinking about how a back 3 could work. Obviously 3 out and out centre halfs would be a waste but with Haring in there he could cover when the wingbacks were awol and also step into midfield if he had no one to mark. Smith and Kingsley are the only ones who can put in a decent cross so they might as well start a bit further up the park knowing Harings there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo51 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 21 hours ago, Cruyff said: Gordon Smith Halkett Berra Kingsley Lee Irving Halliday Naismith Boyce Wighton 2-0 Hearts Thats the lineup with maybe the exception of Haring instead of one of the midfield 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, DS98 said: Gordon Halkett Haring Berra Smith Lee Naismith Irving Kingsley Wighton Boyce After watching Leeds yesterday it got me thinking about how a back 3 could work. Obviously 3 out and out centre halfs would be a waste but with Haring in there he could cover when the wingbacks were awol and also step into midfield if he had no one to mark. Smith and Kingsley are the only ones who can put in a decent cross so they might as well start a bit further up the park knowing Harings there. Quite like that team as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Quite like that team as well. Halliday will be livid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Gordon Popescu Berra Halkett Ginelli Lee Haring Roberts Walker Wighton Naismith Rests the players we need to rest and gives game to those we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, wavydavy said: We could do with more getting injections to speed them up and move the ball quicker. Exactly what is already happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, tcjambo said: Gordon Popescu Berra Halkett Ginelli Lee Haring Roberts Walker Wighton Naismith Rests the players we need to rest and gives game to those we don't. Why do we need to rest players , we are trying to get them up to speed on match fitness here.There has been a lot of chat about a settled first team selection, changing two positions is ok. You may need to rotate due to injury or a player being right of the boil, no need to hack it up for the sake of players who have played little football for most of the year. If a player has that same attitude , well he can sit in the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: Exactly what is already happening. Really, we should be asking for the money back for the injections then as they don't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, wavydavy said: If KIngsley doesn't play we will no doubt find out if White is the one who tested positive for Covid as he will not be in the squad. What are the options there. Popsecu? or move Smith to LB and play Brandon RB? My money would be on Halliday as next choice LB if White is the Covid guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said: My money would be on Halliday as next choice LB if White is the Covid guy. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, wavydavy said: If KIngsley doesn't play we will no doubt find out if White is the one who tested positive for Covid as he will not be in the squad. What are the options there. Popsecu? or move Smith to LB and play Brandon RB? Halliday can play LB, I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Really, we should be asking for the money back for the injections then as they don't work. I have an idea. You could get an injection,see if it brings you up to speed. Game time is the only way. injections are for relaxing the muscles tendons etc. Allowing that player to play, not actual Speed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Billy Hoyle said: Our squad isn’t good enough to be resting players I don’t think. Fair enough, but we won't play the same 11 every week. Players wil be rested / rotated. Every club in the world does this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, tcjambo said: Gordon Popescu Berra Halkett Ginelli Lee Haring Roberts Walker Wighton Naismith Rests the players we need to rest and gives game to those we don't. I'd play something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 7-0 Hearts, hattrick for Wighton and Boyce, other by Berra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 7-3, folk to go tonto about how conceding 3 is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: Why do we need to rest players , we are trying to get them up to speed on match fitness here.There has been a lot of chat about a settled first team selection, changing two positions is ok. You may need to rotate due to injury or a player being right of the boil, no need to hack it up for the sake of players who have played little football for most of the year. If a player has that same attitude , well he can sit in the stand. Liverpool and DU won championships, and Hearts almost won one back in the day playing basically the same 11 week in week out - what has changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said: Halliday can play LB, I think? Maybe his best position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Thomaso said: Liverpool and DU won championships, and Hearts almost won one back in the day playing basically the same 11 week in week out - what has changed? Probably a multiple amount of reasons, the mentality is probably the biggest change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 As long as we score one more goal than Arbroath, that will do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Liverpool and DU won championships, and Hearts almost won one back in the day playing basically the same 11 week in week out - what has changed? It's a good point. Think the pace of the game has changed immensely since at top levels in particular. I noticed this in old reruns of world cups and euros during lockdown. Coaching and science beliefs in squad rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: It's a good point. Think the pace of the game has changed immensely since at top levels in particular. I noticed this in old reruns of world cups and euros during lockdown. Coaching and science beliefs in squad rotation. Sports science takes a roasting. I see it as part of being professional. The people who are working within it can be dug up by the players, we though wonder wtf is going on. This season our players have been sitting out for huge parts over the last 8 months, been disrupted during pre season. Unprecedented events occurring to us and around us. Present restrictions are part of the issue, players finding match fitness and their form. The side is pretty much 9 first choice players with 4 in and out, then you have the rest of the rotating subs etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, The Frenchman Returns said: 7-0 Hearts, hattrick for Wighton and Boyce, other by Berra Should have been 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: 7-3, folk to go tonto about how conceding 3 is unacceptable. Conceding three is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, LeftBack said: Should have been 10 8 minutes ago, indianajones said: Conceding three is unacceptable. 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 48 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Liverpool and DU won championships, and Hearts almost won one back in the day playing basically the same 11 week in week out - what has changed? Almost 40 years ago. If you need to ask that question then no answer on here will help you understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Smith's right boot said: Almost 40 years ago. If you need to ask that question then no answer on here will help you understand. It was a genuine question smart arse - so enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: It's a good point. Think the pace of the game has changed immensely since at top levels in particular. I noticed this in old reruns of world cups and euros during lockdown. Coaching and science beliefs in squad rotation. Cheers - thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Interesting concept we can't afford to rest players. Been doing it all season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thomaso said: It was a genuine question smart arse - so enlighten me. No answer I'll give will satisfy you if you can't see how football has evolved over it's entire history and in the last 40 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Sir Gio said: Interesting concept we can't afford to rest players. Been doing it all season Yep. Folk need to realise it’s not us that can’t afford to rest players it’s the other 9 teams in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Interesting concept we can't afford to rest players. Been doing it all season Exactly. Also, some posters insisting we play our strongest team no matter what would go tonto if key players picked up injuries and were out for a lengthy time or missed more difficult games. Every club in the world rotates and rests players at times, been like this for a few decades now. It's not a new concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Exactly. Also, some posters insisting we play our strongest team no matter what would go tonto if key players picked up injuries and were out for a lengthy time or missed more difficult games. Every club in the world rotates and rests players at times, been like this for a few decades now. It's not a new concept. The difference is,this year is unprecedented, players had to wait to return to a training session with their team mates, some joined us after a similar lay off. You cannot look at it with the same old same attitude. There are many differing factors at play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Whilst I’m missing going to games having the choice tomorrow of a) sitting in tynie baltic or b) at home sipping a cold beer with the central heating on - 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: The difference is,this year is unprecedented, players had to wait to return to a training session with their team mates, some joined us after a similar lay off. You cannot look at it with the same old same attitude. There are many differing factors at play. Nah, it's simple for me. Smith has played every game, internationals and as a fb covers a lot of ground - rest him. Kingsley, after not much football, played a lot, as a fb cover a lot of ground- rest him. Boyce, had a niggle, playing with injections - rest him. Also, we'll have enough for Arbroath without them. We also have 2 more difficult games Dundee away v soon and dunfermline who are second so if we rest these guys we can play a slightly stronger team in the more difficult fixtures. Simple as Tbh. We'll rest/ rotate some players anyway as Robbie sees fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 21 hours ago, Victorian said: Arbroath bossed us in midfield a bit for spells in that previous game on the edge of the known world. Hopefully we'll have a better grip on them this time. Should score 3 or 4 so we'll win. Probably. The best they can do is 0-0 I think. They’ll sit in and try to frustrate our players into a long ball approach. Even if we score early I think they’ll sit tight and hope to fluke a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Nah, it's simple for me. Smith has played every game, internationals and as a fb covers a lot of ground - rest him. Kingsley, after not much football, played a lot, as a fb cover a lot of ground- rest him. Boyce, had a niggle, playing with injections - rest him. Also, we'll have enough for Arbroath without them. We also have 2 more difficult games Dundee away v soon and dunfermline who are second so if we rest these guys we can play a slightly stronger team in the more difficult fixtures. Simple as Tbh. We'll rest/ rotate some players anyway as Robbie sees fit. The right balance with level heads, we can do with style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: No answer I'll give will satisfy you if you can't see how football has evolved over it's entire history and in the last 40 years. At it's most basic it hasn't evolved at all. Rule changes here and there, substitutes etc but the objectives are completely unchanged. Too many games now and an inane league set up to suit broadcasting revenues and the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avhudtheteeshirt Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 This game has to start high tempo, shoot on sight, as they are likely to sit in and foul all night! Slicker passing will out do them at the back, better crossing will also help!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbaws Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5-0 Hearts Wighton x2, Naismith x2, someone scores a free kick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: At it's most basic it hasn't evolved at all. Rule changes here and there, substitutes etc but the objectives are completely unchanged. Too many games now and an inane league set up to suit broadcasting revenues and the OF. Changed massively, fitness and athletisism is far more of a part now. Too much of a part imo, but nevertheless a big part of football now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: At it's most basic it hasn't evolved at all. Rule changes here and there, substitutes etc but the objectives are completely unchanged. Too many games now and an inane league set up to suit broadcasting revenues and the OF. A necessity or fad? (Rotation). Sometimes a necessity but I think it’s become a fad also. It’d be interesting to see how Hearts have fared when rotating and resting their better players? It strikes me we mostly end up throwing on our key players from the bench to save the day. One concept that’s never changed in football is the need to play close as you can to your best side to be successful. Look around and you see the best teams do it most of the time. It seems as you come down the scale, it’s lesser clubs who think they are being the geniuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: A necessity or fad? (Rotation). Sometimes a necessity but I think it’s become a fad also. It’d be interesting to see how Hearts have fared when rotating and resting their better players? It strikes me we mostly end up throwing on our key players from the bench to save the day. One concept that’s never changed in football is the need to play close as you can to your best side to be successful. Look around and you see the best teams do it most of the time. It seems as you come down the scale, it’s lesser clubs who think they are being the geniuses. Agree with this. Take Liverpool, for example. I think Klopp would play his strongest 11 every week if it weren’t for injuries/suspensions. Remember CL used to change our line up constantly for no apparent reason - used to drive me nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: It's a good point. Think the pace of the game has changed immensely since at top levels in particular. I noticed this in old reruns of world cups and euros during lockdown. Coaching and science beliefs in squad rotation. Have fitness levels of players not improved since 40 years ago? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, S Form said: Agree with this. Take Liverpool, for example. I think Klopp would play his strongest 11 every week if it weren’t for injuries/suspensions. Remember CL used to change our line up constantly for no apparent reason - used to drive me nuts. Tinker Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Have fitness levels of players not improved since 40 years ago? 🤔 Not the best person for this. Players are not necessarily fitter, but maybe more athletic and susceptible to strains and pulls in the quicker game. Hearts 86 team were a very fit team, but more stamina than speed. Again, I'm not qualified and probably talking bollocks. I'm trying to be polite by answering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Walter Kidd was asked that question at one of the ceremonies. He reckoned that players are much fitter now, by a long long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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