Maroon 1874 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: Was it the manager that voted against league reconstruction? Irrelevant! .. if a manager/coach is in the media discussing his points of view regarding the rules or governance of the game he is involved in then he is speaking for the club, it happens in jobs right across the spectrum or else he would be disciplined Edited November 15, 2020 by Maroon 1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon 1874 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: I think it is pretty relevant. He is expressing his view, not that of the club. He wasn't the one that voted against reconstruction therefore he isn't being hypocritical. Stepping on the clubs toes or is speaking for the club, I know where I would put my money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: I think it is pretty relevant. He is expressing his view, not that of the club. He wasn't the one that voted against reconstruction therefore he isn't being hypocritical. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/albion-rovers-gaffers-birthday-relief-22198675.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon 1874 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Just now, Rave MacPherson said: What? in my view he is speaking for the clubs position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/albion-rovers-gaffers-birthday-relief-22198675.amp And there you have it 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Rave MacPherson said: Was it the manager that voted against league reconstruction? No obviously not. I very much doubt the club chairman at a club that size wouldn't take his managers point of view on board though. Since they are effectively smaller than some bowling clubs in Scotland and worse run. The point of this thread isn't about who voted it is clearly the hypocrisy of the manager due to his previous comments in the press on all of the subjects and his previous very strong opinions. His opinions were very clear and he was very vocal in the press that he didn't want league reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon 1874 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: And there you have it 👍🏻 my point Nookie is that he spoke with the media with the clubs full knowledge and NOT off his own back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon 1874 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: How do you know that? 1 hour ago, Maroon 1874 said: Irrelevant! .. if a manager/coach is in the media discussing his points of view regarding the rules or governance of the game he is involved in then he is speaking for the club, it happens in jobs right across the spectrum or else he would be disciplined I don't but its a pretty well calculated guess ... are we going round in circles here? 😳 my Sunday dinner is ready and THAT is more important 👍 Edited November 15, 2020 by Maroon 1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: What do we have? A manager saying he is glad his club dont have to travel a long distance for a game? And that makes him a hypocrite? That article does not give his stance on reconstruction, does it? He said in the most recent article he thought last season wasn’t the time for reconstruction so he was against it and now isn’t because its his club in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: What were his previous comments about reconstruction? You have already read them, choose to ignore them and have instead chosen to argue round and round in circles. Anyone can read that Record article and the comments in it and see how happy he was when reconstruction failed - apart from you obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: Have you got a link to that? Sniff sniff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: Have you got a link to that? what team do you support mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: Have you got a link to that? It's the link to the article being discussed! ""If there was ever a reason to look at league reconstruction it should be this season, not last season with the way things are now. There's more reason to look at it now than there was last season." The worst part is when he says this: ""I don't think it is fair for anyone - ourselves or Brechin or any team - to be in that position." Brechin were on the board and voted themselves out of danger, then voted against reconstruction that wouldn't have affected them in the slightest but would have redressed the balance by allowing promotion to the SPFL. If any team has NOT been treated unfairly in this whole thing it's Brechin. Reid knows all this. Edited November 15, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: It's the link to the article being discussed! ""If there was ever a reason to look at league reconstruction it should be this season, not last season with the way things are now. There's more reason to look at it now than there was last season." The worst part is when he says this: ""I don't think it is fair for anyone - ourselves or Brechin or any team - to be in that position." Brechin were on the board and voted themselves out of danger, then voted against reconstruction that wouldn't have affected them in the slightest but would have redressed the balance by allowing promotion to the SPFL. If any team has NOT been treated unfairly in this whole thing it's Brechin. Reid knows all this. When you see these people coming away with this sort of stuff, you realise that they really don’t know their arse from their elbow. I hope they all go to the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, LarrysRightFoot said: Got a link to the article? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/01/junior-football-scotland-ruin-senior-leagues also suggest reading https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/17/football-hampden-roar-scotland-plastic-pitches both are excellent summaries of the pathetic state of football in Scotland and the role of the wee clubs in controlling the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: Have you got a link to that? Hi Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 "Albion Rovers"? Made up name. Made up team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLTFTh Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Deid Heid said: Awww, what a shame, poor rats...goodbye and thanks for nothing. No one will mourn you demise, nor notice your passing into the annals of football inconsequentiality. 138 years old, sum contribution to Scottish football...ZERO Prior to Good Friday, I may have been a bit more supportive but their subsequent actions have shown them up to be (along with dozens of other diddy clubs), back-stabbing, shite-bag rats. We exterminate vermin, your nasty little club should be destroyed. Feck 'em and anyone that looks like them. This 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Like many on here my view on these clubs changed from Good Friday on, I have zero sympathy for these clubs who were keen to put other clubs in peril with their self interests and illogical reasoning, it is a joke now they are changing their tune and want help from others, I hope they all die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, gator said: Like many on here my view on these clubs changed from Good Friday on, I have zero sympathy for these clubs who were keen to put other clubs in peril with their self interests and illogical reasoning, it is a joke now they are changing their tune and want help from others, I hope they all die! In a nutshell 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Brechin City are historically the worst team in the SFL/SPFL over the past decades. No team has had more bottom finishes than them yet their Ken Ferguson is on the board of both the SFA and SPFL. If they finish bottom of L2 again this season then expect shenanigans to keep them from dropping out of the SPFL. ps Brechin is not even a city just a burgh in Angus. Similar to Elgin, not having city status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Rave MacPherson said: Hi Doris Hi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, gator said: Like many on here my view on these clubs changed from Good Friday on, I have zero sympathy for these clubs who were keen to put other clubs in peril with their self interests and illogical reasoning, it is a joke now they are changing their tune and want help from others, I hope they all die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: Brechin City are historically the worst team in the SFL/SPFL over the past decades. No team has had more bottom finishes than them yet their Ken Ferguson is on the board of both the SFA and SPFL. If they finish bottom of L2 again this season then expect shenanigans to keep them from dropping out of the SPFL. ps Brechin is not even a city just a burgh in Angus. Similar to Elgin, not having city status. Was East Stirling for a while. Despite a little, brief resurgence the inevitable happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, gator said: Like many on here my view on these clubs changed from Good Friday on, I have zero sympathy for these clubs who were keen to put other clubs in peril with their self interests and illogical reasoning, it is a joke now they are changing their tune and want help from others, I hope they all die! Well put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 14/11/2020 at 16:27, merseyjambo said: They were and I’m not sympathetic to their whining now but I can understand that for clubs like them, Annan, Stranraer etc, including Brora would mean 6 trips a year to the Highlands and Islands. From a cost perspective for clubs like that it can’t be easy. Now is the time to start talking about reconstruction not 6 weeks before the season starts. There is a real opportunity to open out the lower levels of Scottish Football and reduce costs for these part time clubs. This could also benefit us by expansion of top league and putting colts teams into the bottom league. No sympathy for them except that the SFA should be helping with travel costs for these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: So he isnt a hypocrite then Aye OK then. Happy to see other clubs screwed over last season. Not happy to see his screwed over this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Was East Stirling for a while. Despite a little, brief resurgence the inevitable happened. Yep, for one season in the 60s ES Clydebank, even then SFL shenanigans to get junior club Clydebank promoted by back door to the seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 "If there was ever a reason to look at league reconstruction it should be this season, not last season with the way things are now." You couldn't make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: "If there was ever a reason to look at league reconstruction it should be this season, not last season with the way things are now." You couldn't make it up. None of this should be surprising to us though after what has been said and done since the league was halted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Tasavallan said: Brechin City are historically the worst team in the SFL/SPFL over the past decades. No team has had more bottom finishes than them yet their Ken Ferguson is on the board of both the SFA and SPFL. If they finish bottom of L2 again this season then expect shenanigans to keep them from dropping out of the SPFL. ps Brechin is not even a city just a burgh in Angus. Similar to Elgin, not having city status. Last season Brechin City were abusing their position on the boards to ensure that, if they got relegated, they would drop into the Lowland League and not the Highland League. There is actually a definition, a geographical line of latitude, which defines this and it is along the centre of the River Tay. That didn't suit Brechin because, apparantly, their players are recuited from, and train in, the Central Belt and it would be easier for them to play Lowland League. Brechin had the whole of non league football by the chuckies as the Lowland League needed SFA endorsement to bring the West of Scotland Junior teams into the LL Pyramid set up. Think this through. Their shitty team get relegated on merit. Rather than "take their medicine", adapt to that, recruit locally, re-invent themselves and climb back up their solution was carry on regardless. Brechin were happy to abuse that position by making their support for the new West of Scotland League contingent on them getting their way if they were relegated. **** Brechin. Hope they go down and kick around the Highland League for their remaining future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, RobboM said: Last season Brechin City were abusing their position on the boards to ensure that, if they got relegated, they would drop into the Lowland League and not the Highland League. There is actually a definition, a geographical line of latitude, which defines this and it is along the centre of the River Tay. That didn't suit Brechin because, apparantly, their players are recuited from, and train in, the Central Belt and it would be easier for them to play Lowland League. Brechin had the whole of non league football by the chuckies as the Lowland League needed SFA endorsement to bring the West of Scotland Junior teams into the LL Pyramid set up. Think this through. Their shitty team get relegated on merit. Rather than "take their medicine", adapt to that, recruit locally, re-invent themselves and climb back up their solution was carry on regardless. Brechin were happy to abuse that position by making their support for the new West of Scotland League contingent on them getting their way if they were relegated. **** Brechin. Hope they go down and kick around the Highland League for their remaining future. Yep spot on. Had an nice old aunt from Brechin so they were always my second team. My dear old aunt is gone, and hopefully Brechin will be joining her soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 All of the clubs, big and small, rich and poor, had the ideal chance to reorganise the leagues to reflect their current geographical and financial status. They could have looked at creating regional divisions, expanding division numbers, helping all the clubs plan to survive. Instead they sentenced 3 clubs to, as they thought, taking the entire hit for the rest of them. Those 3 clubs were told there “have to be winners and losers”, “you’ll have to take your medicine” and “this is not the right time for reconstruction”, as well as other excuses for the blatant spite and self preservation of many, not a few. They are now about to reap the results of their actions, and their answer is to suggest more self preservation and corruption to preserve those clubs who attract less fans than seagulls in their grounds, under normal circumstances. I wouldn’t like to see clubs go bust, but there is no reason why quite a few of them can’t to be told the protection racket has gone and it’s time for a major reconstruction of the professional leagues, with no place for a good number of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackshades Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Tasavallan said: Brechin City are historically the worst team in the SFL/SPFL over the past decades. No team has had more bottom finishes than them yet their Ken Ferguson is on the board of both the SFA and SPFL. If they finish bottom of L2 again this season then expect shenanigans to keep them from dropping out of the SPFL. ps Brechin is not even a city just a burgh in Angus. Similar to Elgin, not having city status. But they both have cathedrals so I think they can use city in their names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I hope they go bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Blackshades said: But they both have cathedrals so I think they can use city in their names Its a ruin in Elgin though, not been a place of worship for hundreds of years. No idea about Brechin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 What a ****ing joke. He says himself they're dealing with the same issues as everyone else, so if you're last after getting to play your full ****ing fixture list, you're surely last on merit? Half the League 1 and 2 sides should be in regional leagues anyway, the other half should be in an 18 team national league with the ambitious LL and HL teams like Kelty and Brora. Get Rovers down, Elgin down, Brechin down and whoever else needs to **** off and join them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, merrymac said: Yep spot on. Had an nice old aunt from Brechin so they were always my second team. My dear old aunt is gone, and hopefully Brechin will be joining her soon. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, SectionDJambo said: I wouldn’t like to see clubs go bust, but there is no reason why quite a few of them can’t to be told the protection racket has gone and it’s time for a major reconstruction of the professional leagues, with no place for a good number of them. There is a reason : they are part of a clique who are quite prepared to dutifully kiss the arses of Doncaster and Lawwell whenever they are requested to do so to ensure there is sufficient support to make certain things happen, or not happen, whatever the case, knowing that in return their own interests will be suitably looked after when required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I always thought there was more chance of reconstruction this season rather than last. There will be more teams coming out with this sort of statement over the coming months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He’s spouting this nonsense after rejecting last season over the cost of a couple of buses ? Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, King prawn said: He’s spouting this nonsense after rejecting last season over the cost of a couple of buses ? Unbelievable. And supplying a lunch to his players on the trip. Professional football eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 hours ago, JDK2020 said: There is a reason : they are part of a clique who are quite prepared to dutifully kiss the arses of Doncaster and Lawwell whenever they are requested to do so to ensure there is sufficient support to make certain things happen, or not happen, whatever the case, knowing that in return their own interests will be suitably looked after when required. I meant their is no proper reason, or reason that isn't based on corruption or protectionism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDJ87 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said: >sigh< how do you know he was happy to see other clubs screwed over? 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Bacon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Rave MacPherson said: >sigh< how do you know he was happy to see other clubs screwed over? Maybe because his club voted for it, when a sensible alternative could have been chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Hearts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Rave MacPherson said: >sigh< how do you know he was happy to see other clubs screwed over? for one, by him saying he was happy not to have to travel to Brora, he is saying he is happy to screw over Brora (and Kelty Hearts) by denying these clubs the chance to join the SPFL as part of reconstruction, as well as part of the pyramid playoff process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 You could read that article all the way down and each paragraph go 'but you were prepared to unfairly punish other clubs and each time voted against fairness' His differential arguement this year is that he doen't have a big enough squad to cope with Covid in his team and that's not fair so there should be reconstruction to save these teams. If anything, again, the SPFL did no 'what if' scenario planning and get clubs to not just buy into, but be bound by the outcomes or consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Change will only take place for the benefit of one club and only one club Watch the squealing if Rangers threaten their number 1 status. That and the sex abuse case has the potential to bring them down to their knees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Club chairmen/boards will only ever look after the interests of their club. This is totally expectable. If I was a supporter of a club, I would be extremely angry if the turkeys voted for Christmas. Where it all falls down is when the SPL and SFL amalgamated they introduced a 75% pass by all 42 clubs. Regardless of the question posed, 75% would never be achieved as most chairmen would vote NO or abstain, unless it was to give clubs more money for nothing. Whatever did happen to James Anderson's donation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 You would think fans of Albion Rovers and the likes would be asking questions from their chairmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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