Striker required

[jr ewing]

3 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I may be wrong but I can't imagine there will be many free scoring strikers just waiting to be loaned out.  Any names come to mind?

Start with Everton and work down. 

[Franksluckypants]

It doesn't really take much insight or mystic Meg powers of observation to predict that there is little or no chance of Boyce & Naismith remaining fully fit for 27 league plus cup matches, with a fairly high likelihood that their injuries will coincide.

 

CW will be our go to guy...

 

We absolutely need another striker!

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, jr ewing said:

Start with Everton and work down. 

That's a name certainly but I was hoping Mitch would be able to provide the names(s) of a free scoring striker(s) who would be available to come on loan.  Maybe you could help.

[HMFC01]

We're not past the first three Cup games yet.  A nervy first game saw a lot of mistakes spread across the team.   

 

I think the shot onto the cross bar was unfortunate from cw.  Apart from that he had a really good game. 

 

If an outstanding player became available to us and we could afford it i am sure we would sign one.  

 

I think once we get past the first nine games, if we're good we won't need one.  If we're struggling then it becomes a priority. 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Spellczech]

2 hours ago, jambonian said:

 

Yes it might be fine for the Championship but we have Cup competitions to take part in also. It was fairly evident to me watching the Inverness game we are in need of an out and out striker. A few good crosses came into the box yet too often there was no-one there to receive them. And that's against a weakened Inverness team. Against Premier opposition in Cup games later in the tournaments this could be our downfall. Can't rely on Boyce doing it, can't guarantee he'll stay fit. Same with Naismith which leaves Wighton who's never set the heather on fire. 

I don't disagree that this squad should be good enough for the Championship, however there's more to the season than the Championship. Also need another solid defender in. Souttar injured long-term, Berra injured and the young lad that went on loan leaves only Halkett who's not a natural defender and the ex-St Mirren guy Popescu. Smith can fill in but then that weakens the right-back area. Even someone on a short-term deal would do for now.

Whisper it but I don't think we are seriously thinking of entering the cups as anything other than a Championship club. I don't really expect us to be going past the QFs in this year's cups. Buying extra strikers just for the cups is a bit daft...

[MTS1874]

I’m sure John Murray will have a hidden gem in his Striker Folder 👍

[SomethingAboutObua]

29 minutes ago, MTS1874 said:

I’m sure John Murray will have a hidden gem in his Striker Folder 👍

The question is where has he hidden the folder all these years

[mitch41]

39 minutes ago, MTS1874 said:

I’m sure John Murray will have a hidden gem in his Striker Folder 👍

Don’t count on it.

[jr ewing]

10 minutes ago, SomethingAboutObua said:

The question is where has he hidden the folder all these years

The hidden gem will have retired by now. 

[iainmac]

8 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Boyce. 

 

Will be unavailable at times as NI qualified tonight.

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, iainmac said:

 

Will be unavailable at times as NI qualified tonight.

One game extra. 

[JamboAndrew]

6 hours ago, MTS1874 said:

I’m sure John Murray will have a hidden gem in his Striker Folder 👍

 

Jamie Mole can't be too old to come back? We do love a rumour and a clamour for an ex-player. You heard it here first. Return of the Mole.

[PTBCAL]

7 hours ago, JamboAndrew said:

 

Jamie Mole can't be too old to come back? We do love a rumour and a clamour for an ex-player. You heard it here first. Return of the Mole.

Underrated player. Good in the hole 

[Gav M]

2 hours ago, PTBCAL said:

Underrated player. Good in the hole 

does undermine things a bit though

[David McCaig]

18 minutes ago, Gav M said:

does undermine things a bit though

a very short-sighted view!!

[Sub4TiddlerMurray]

49 minutes ago, Gav M said:

does undermine things a bit though

love it when a thread goes off down a rabbit hole

[hmfc_liam06]

19 hours ago, Franksluckypants said:

It doesn't really take much insight or mystic Meg powers of observation to predict that there is little or no chance of Boyce & Naismith remaining fully fit for 27 league plus cup matches, with a fairly high likelihood that their injuries will coincide.

 

CW will be our go to guy...

 

We absolutely need another striker!

 

What makes you think Boyce can't remain fit for 27 games? A cruciate injury in 2018?

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

18 hours ago, MTS1874 said:

I’m sure John Murray will have a hidden gem in his Striker Folder 👍

Yup, 20 mins on YouTube this morning, four year deal.

[Martin_T]

On 07/10/2020 at 14:15, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Sorry mate that is irrelevant to the standard of player in Scottish football.

 

On 07/10/2020 at 14:03, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

We don't play "modern football" in Scotland.

 

On 07/10/2020 at 13:47, Debut 4 said:

That’s ok at their level with faster, stronger , more intelligent players. 
 

They probably don’t worry about it but it’s contributed to the dying art of centre forward play, it hurts teams more at our level who try to replicate the way top sides play, because you see our play not quite being good enough or competent.
 

Boyce is the closest at the moment to a proper CF.  We need that guy hanging around the penalty area, not doing most his work outside it.  You look at last night.  While I thought we slipped the ball about well at times, most balls after getting it wide were more hopeful bar the odd one being more particular into someone.  
 

Quite happy the way we pushed men into the box, it’s been a long time coming! but we need to be more clever and subtle when we get around the box.  Seemed a bit rushed at times.  

 

I agree that it's different with elite level players, but I think there's still validity to my point. If there was no tactical subtlety to the game in Scotland everyone would be playing 4-4-2 with two strikers up front.

 

Playing with two wingers and two out and out strikers would likely leave us quite exposed at the back.

[heartmussel]

8 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Yup, 20 mins on YouTube this morning, four year deal.

Behind Henderson’s two year deal.👍

[DC_92]

25 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

What makes you think Boyce can't remain fit for 27 games? A cruciate injury in 2018?

 

Yeah, he's played over 100 games in two years since returning from that injury.

[hmfc_liam06]

9 minutes ago, DC_92 said:

 

Yeah, he's played over 100 games in two years since returning from that injury.

 

I have no idea where this notion that Boyce is injury prone has come from.

[Beast Boy]

18 hours ago, MTS1874 said:

I’m sure John Murray will have a hidden gem in his Striker Folder 👍

Like he did with Beattie? Hope so.

[Beast Boy]

2 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I have no idea where this notion that Boyce is injury prone has come from.

I said the same thing weeks/months ago. I asked the question as opposed to stating he wasn’t though, because I simply didn’t know the answer. It seems to have become established fact that he is injury prone though. 🤷‍♂️

[Pilmuir]

26 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I have no idea where this notion that Boyce is injury prone has come from.

He may not be but folk will be thinking that with our luck our key players are bound to get injured. It’s not unreasonable the way things have gone recently. If Boyce can avoid that jinx then he will have a great season.

[jamboinglasgow]

34 minutes ago, Beast Boy said:

I said the same thing weeks/months ago. I asked the question as opposed to stating he wasn’t though, because I simply didn’t know the answer. It seems to have become established fact that he is injury prone though. 🤷‍♂️

 

I had a look at Transfermarkt just to see his injury history, the five seasons before his cruciate injury he missed 10 games (so 2 games missed a season.)  6 of games missed was due to a fractured hand that happened over the new year/January period, when games come thick and fast. So hardly injury prone.

[wavydavy]

38 minutes ago, Beast Boy said:

I said the same thing weeks/months ago. I asked the question as opposed to stating he wasn’t though, because I simply didn’t know the answer. It seems to have become established fact that he is injury prone though. 🤷‍♂️

 

This is taken from TransferMarket.

NJURY HISTORY

•  Injury history, suspensions and absences are based on a variety of media reports and are researched with the greatest of care. If you should notice an error regardless, please use the correction form. To the correction form

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
17/18	Cruciate Ligament Rupture	Aug 1, 2017	Jan 29, 2018	181 days	32
16/17	Knee Injury	Oct 1, 2016	Oct 24, 2016	23 days	3
15/16	Hand Injury	Mar 26, 2016	Apr 1, 2016	6 days	-
15/16	Fractured Hand	Dec 29, 2015	Jan 30, 2016	32 days	6
14/15	Knee Injury	Mar 11, 2015	Mar 18, 2015	7 days	1

[Hectormasson]

20 hours ago, Franksluckypants said:

It doesn't really take much insight or mystic Meg powers of observation to predict that there is little or no chance of Boyce & Naismith remaining fully fit for 27 league plus cup matches, with a fairly high likelihood that their injuries will coincide.

 

CW will be our go to guy...

 

We absolutely need another striker!

Or two ?

[Beast Boy]

3 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

This is taken from TransferMarket.

NJURY HISTORY

•  Injury history, suspensions and absences are based on a variety of media reports and are researched with the greatest of care. If you should notice an error regardless, please use the correction form. To the correction form

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
17/18	Cruciate Ligament Rupture	Aug 1, 2017	Jan 29, 2018	181 days	32
16/17	Knee Injury	Oct 1, 2016	Oct 24, 2016	23 days	3
15/16	Hand Injury	Mar 26, 2016	Apr 1, 2016	6 days	-
15/16	Fractured Hand	Dec 29, 2015	Jan 30, 2016	32 days	6
14/15	Knee Injury	Mar 11, 2015	Mar 18, 2015	7 days	1

So, we can take out the 38 days for the hand injury straight off the bat.

 

The knee injury needs more details, same knee? 
 

Same with the cruciate. Same one? Recurring thing?

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

8 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

This is taken from TransferMarket.

NJURY HISTORY

•  Injury history, suspensions and absences are based on a variety of media reports and are researched with the greatest of care. If you should notice an error regardless, please use the correction form. To the correction form

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
17/18	Cruciate Ligament Rupture	Aug 1, 2017	Jan 29, 2018	181 days	32
16/17	Knee Injury	Oct 1, 2016	Oct 24, 2016	23 days	3
15/16	Hand Injury	Mar 26, 2016	Apr 1, 2016	6 days	-
15/16	Fractured Hand	Dec 29, 2015	Jan 30, 2016	32 days	6
14/15	Knee Injury	Mar 11, 2015	Mar 18, 2015	7 days	1

The cruciate was a bad one and can have long term effects but I wouldn’t call that injury prone.

 

If Shighton isn’t up to being third choice in the Championship then questions need to be asked about how on earth that deal was sanctioned. 
 

As an aside, is John Murray still at the club? ****ing hope not 

[Ribble]

Boyce played in 43 games last season so quite clearly he'll be unable to manage a 27 game championship season

[Jamhammer]

2 minutes ago, Ribble said:

Boyce played in 43 games last season so quite clearly he'll be unable to manage a 27 game championship season

Wage feef

[Beast Boy]

6 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

The cruciate was a bad one and can have long term effects but I wouldn’t call that injury prone.

 

If Shighton isn’t up to being third choice in the Championship then questions need to be asked about how on earth that deal was sanctioned. 
 

As an aside, is John Murray still at the club? ****ing hope not 

What if he was to bring in another Craig Beattie though? 🤷‍♂️

[wavydavy]

14 minutes ago, Beast Boy said:

So, we can take out the 38 days for the hand injury straight off the bat.

 

The knee injury needs more details, same knee? 
 

Same with the cruciate. Same one? Recurring thing?

 

 

Now this is a player who is injury prone.

 

 Injury history, suspensions and absences are based on a variety of media reports and are researched with the greatest of care. If you should notice an error regardless, please use the correction form. To the correction form

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
20/21	Achilles tendon rupture	Aug 22, 2020	-	48 days	1
19/20	Achilles tendon rupture	Mar 1, 2020	Jun 30, 2020	121 days	7
19/20	Ankle Surgery	Oct 3, 2019	Jan 1, 2020	90 days	15
19/20	Ankle Injury	Aug 4, 2019	Oct 2, 2019	59 days	9
18/19	Hip Injury	Oct 12, 2018	Jan 20, 2019	100 days	15
18/19	Knock	Oct 11, 2018	Oct 18, 2018	7 days	-
17/18	Knock	May 7, 2018	May 21, 2018	14 days	2
17/18	Knock	Feb 26, 2018	Mar 2, 2018	4 days	1
17/18	Concussion	Nov 3, 2017	Nov 24, 2017	21 days	2
16/17	Achilles tendon rupture	Jan 29, 2017	Jul 28, 2017	180 days	22
14/15	Knee Injury	Dec 18, 2014	Feb 28, 2015	72 days	13
14/15	Ankle Injury	Aug 1, 2014	Nov 4, 2014	95 days	14
13/14	Ill	May 7, 2014	May 12, 2014	5 days	1
13/14	Achilles tendon problems	Feb 20, 2014	Mar 15, 2014	23 days	5

[johnthomas]

7 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

The cruciate was a bad one and can have long term effects but I wouldn’t call that injury prone.

 

If Shighton isn’t up to being third choice in the Championship then questions need to be asked about how on earth that deal was sanctioned. 
 

As an aside, is John Murray still at the club? ****ing hope not 

You have to remember 'injury prone' has a totally different meaning on here 

[OldGorgie]

If we do recruit another centre forward can we at least get someone with a full head of hair and not another Benny Hill type fall guy.

[jambonian]

11 hours ago, Spellczech said:

Whisper it but I don't think we are seriously thinking of entering the cups as anything other than a Championship club. I don't really expect us to be going past the QFs in this year's cups. Buying extra strikers just for the cups is a bit daft...

 

Why? 

Just because we've been demoted (not relegated) it doesn't mean we shouldn't bother with Cup competitions. We are a Premier club who's had a bad deal handed to us. We've been lumbered with the Championship. I don't think people like Boyce, Smith, Kingsley and others would be at Hearts if they didn't want to be as successful as possible. And if Hibs can win the Scottish Cup for the first time in 114 years when they were in the Championship then why shouldn't anyone else? The squad we have at the moment given the right fitness level would be a match for two thirds of the Premier so one more striker and a defender could make all the difference. The further we get in the competitions the more cash we make which is what we'll need if we get back up into the Premier for better players. I'm not saying we'll go on to win a trophy, far from it, however i'd like us to get as far as possible and screw as much cash out of it as possible. It's the least we deserve.

[Jim Panzee]

2 hours ago, wavydavy said:

 

 

Now this is a player who is injury prone.

 

 Injury history, suspensions and absences are based on a variety of media reports and are researched with the greatest of care. If you should notice an error regardless, please use the correction form. To the correction form

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
20/21	Achilles tendon rupture	Aug 22, 2020	-	48 days	1
19/20	Achilles tendon rupture	Mar 1, 2020	Jun 30, 2020	121 days	7
19/20	Ankle Surgery	Oct 3, 2019	Jan 1, 2020	90 days	15
19/20	Ankle Injury	Aug 4, 2019	Oct 2, 2019	59 days	9
18/19	Hip Injury	Oct 12, 2018	Jan 20, 2019	100 days	15
18/19	Knock	Oct 11, 2018	Oct 18, 2018	7 days	-
17/18	Knock	May 7, 2018	May 21, 2018	14 days	2
17/18	Knock	Feb 26, 2018	Mar 2, 2018	4 days	1
17/18	Concussion	Nov 3, 2017	Nov 24, 2017	21 days	2
16/17	Achilles tendon rupture	Jan 29, 2017	Jul 28, 2017	180 days	22
14/15	Knee Injury	Dec 18, 2014	Feb 28, 2015	72 days	13
14/15	Ankle Injury	Aug 1, 2014	Nov 4, 2014	95 days	14
13/14	Ill	May 7, 2014	May 12, 2014	5 days	1
13/14	Achilles tendon problems	Feb 20, 2014	Mar 15, 2014	23 days	/5

john soutter?

[The Future's Maroon]

14 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said:

john soutter?

Pretty positive the question mark isn’t required as obvious it’s JS 😉

[Jim Panzee]

4 minutes ago, The Future's Maroon said:

Pretty positive the question mark isn’t required as obvious it’s JS 😉

True! poor bugger

[DH1986]

It doesn’t matter if Boyce is injury prone or not.....to not have an adequate replacement for him is just stupid.

[colinmaroon]

7 hours ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

I have no idea where this notion that Boyce is injury prone has come from.

 

Trace back to source and you'll find out where.

 

 

[bazman]

Unless anybody leaves we will not bring in another player. MacDonald had to go to get Kingsley in. However I could see cochrane/Moore etc going out on loan which may free up space 

[Spellczech]

4 hours ago, jambonian said:

 

Why? 

Just because we've been demoted (not relegated) it doesn't mean we shouldn't bother with Cup competitions. We are a Premier club who's had a bad deal handed to us. We've been lumbered with the Championship. I don't think people like Boyce, Smith, Kingsley and others would be at Hearts if they didn't want to be as successful as possible. And if Hibs can win the Scottish Cup for the first time in 114 years when they were in the Championship then why shouldn't anyone else? The squad we have at the moment given the right fitness level would be a match for two thirds of the Premier so one more striker and a defender could make all the difference. The further we get in the competitions the more cash we make which is what we'll need if we get back up into the Premier for better players. I'm not saying we'll go on to win a trophy, far from it, however i'd like us to get as far as possible and screw as much cash out of it as possible. It's the least we deserve.

What makes us a Premier Club? - the crowds. This year no club has fans. It is a big leveller. Robbie's job is first to get us promoted - he may not even be able to control that - however he should be able to get us top of the Championship. We can do that with what we have. We don't need to pay the wages of another striker for a year just to play cup games...This season we will make do with what we have and get extra firepower once we are back in the SPL. Boyce, Naismith, Wighton, Walker and Halkett with others chipping in should be able to provide enough goals for the League.

 

Hibs spent a good chunk of the last decade in the Championship. They didn't seem to be very good at getting out of it. I'd far rather we just got our asses out again, and gave the cups a crack, but signing extra strikers in order to try for the cups this season is daft.

Edited October 9, 2020 by Spellczech

[Greedy Jambo]

Another year, another manager not signing a decent striker, it's all a bit predictable. 

 

[hmfc_liam06]

7 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

Another year, another manager not signing a decent striker, it's all a bit predictable. 

 

 

Our last 2 managers signed decent strikers.

[Greedy Jambo]

1 minute ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

Our last 2 managers signed decent strikers.

 

Only on Paper, they didn't produce. (Boyce still has time to show his worth)

We need to find young blood, quick agile players with a hunger and an eye for goal. 

Our scouting is miserable at best. 

[BigAlim]

10 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

Another year, another manager not signing a decent striker, it's all a bit predictable. 

 

How many decent strikers are we supposed to have this level?

 

We've got a career goal machine and a Scotland striker, with a run of the mill third choice and we haven't even seen what Roberts is like up there. Can play Walker with any one of these guys and he'll take opportunities as well

[Greedy Jambo]

3 minutes ago, BigAlim said:

How many decent strikers are we supposed to have this level?

 

We've got a career goal machine and a Scotland striker, with a run of the mill third choice and we haven't even seen what Roberts is like up there. Can play Walker with any one of these guys and he'll take opportunities as well

 

1 would be nice. 

 

Wighton is a laugh

Naismith now seems to be a midfielder at the end of his career

Roberts is not a striker

It's pretty much all down to Boyce now and he didn't want the #9 jersey. 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2020 by Greedy Jambo