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jamboinglasgow Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 If you want to see the dumb mentality of Clarkes "he needs to serve his time first in U21s." Spain started a 17 year old Barcelona midfielder, Gavi, against Italy in the Nations League semi this week. Highest level the player had played internationally was U18, he has only had 7 competitive appearances for Barca. While that is a freakish appearance, it does show that talent is enough to get into one of the best teams in the world but in Scotland you have to stick to the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Having watched under 21's last night, Hickey wants to stay clear. Totally talentless and no guidance from coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, jamboinglasgow said: If you want to see the dumb mentality of Clarkes "he needs to serve his time first in U21s." Spain started a 17 year old Barcelona midfielder, Gavi, against Italy in the Nations League semi this week. Highest level the player had played internationally was U18, he has only had 7 competitive appearances for Barca. While that is a freakish appearance, it does show that talent is enough to get into one of the best teams in the world but in Scotland you have to stick to the system. Mate, Ben Woodburn. Ok he didnt kick on for one reason or another (but will now!) but came on the scene, did well and was put into what was a succesful Wales squad. We're so slow up here. How long did it take to get Gilmour in the squad. To the extent he needed chucked in to try to save us with zero experience. Its ridic and ither than under Berti, who had to bleed youth due to the nick Broon left us in, all the scotland managers have been the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Having watched under 21's last night, Hickey wants to stay clear. Totally talentless and no guidance from coaches. Agreed, they couldn't pass the ball 5 yards without putting the ball out of play or giving it to an opponent. The difference in technical ability last night was embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Starts again http://www.hesgoal.com/news/89228/Udinese_vs_Bologna.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Good old Barney near the end of the Lazio-Inter game last night. An Inter player was down injured but they kept on playing. They then lost the ball to Lazio who went upfield and scored. The Inter players then kicked off that Lazio hadn’t stopped the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 06/10/2021 at 20:29, Lfhearts said: You talk some shit, Nisbet is in coz we are light up front, but he is not a bad player, Gauld is a midfield player we have Gilmour, McGregor, McTominay and McGinn as starters, throw in Armstrong/Christie and Jack of Rangers if he gets fit again, he is just not going to get in, as for Hickey he is a left back at moment, we have Tierney and Robertson he is not at their level, but let's hope he gets there. Nisbet is shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ked said: Nisbet is shite. Poor man's Keith Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 33/1 1st scorer 14/1 anytime in case anyone fancies a punt on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfragg13 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just looking on transfermarkt.com got him priced at7.2million for hickey would be nice wee sell on bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 08/10/2021 at 10:35, jamboinglasgow said: If you want to see the dumb mentality of Clarkes "he needs to serve his time first in U21s." Spain started a 17 year old Barcelona midfielder, Gavi, against Italy in the Nations League semi this week. Highest level the player had played internationally was U18, he has only had 7 competitive appearances for Barca. While that is a freakish appearance, it does show that talent is enough to get into one of the best teams in the world but in Scotland you have to stick to the system. a little closer to home look at saka and england. he got his debut for the england u21s septemeber 2020, on 1st october was called up to full squad and played v wales. now he has 13 games for england and 3 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Six yellow cards in the last ten minutes for Bologna away to Udinese. Hickey was one of them. 1-1 final score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hood09 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 A lot of chat villa to bid 10 mill in jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I Granata v Genoa on at the moment. BT sport. The Maroons 1-0 so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 Maroon wins - make me 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 So if I have this right, Celtic had a sell-on clause which kicked in when we sold Hickey to Bologna. We included a sell-on clause of our own in that deal, and Celtic won't see a penny of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: So if I have this right, Celtic had a sell-on clause which kicked in when we sold Hickey to Bologna. We included a sell-on clause of our own in that deal, and Celtic won't see a penny of that? That's how I understand it. Surely a normal sell-on clause works like; Player goes from team A to team B, team A inserts an x% sell-on clause. Player then goes from B to C. Team B inserts a Y% clause A gets x% of the B to C money, but then when the player goes from C to D, A is not involved, and B gets Y%. That's what I'd hope we have with Bologna - we are team B and Bologna are C in this scenario, Villa/Man City/Saudi FC are team D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: That's how I understand it. Surely a normal sell-on clause works like; Player goes from team A to team B, team A inserts an x% sell-on clause. Player then goes from B to C. Team B inserts a Y% clause A gets x% of the B to C money, but then when the player goes from C to D, A is not involved, and B gets Y%. That's what I'd hope we have with Bologna - we are team B and Bologna are C in this scenario, Villa/Man City/Saudi FC are team D. I think the player can also ask for part of the sell on fee to go to the old teams, I’m sure Dirk Kuyts first team got a cut of every move and built a stand with it. Quick Boys who got £300k when he moved to Liverpool from Feyenoord who bought him for €1m from Utrecht. St Mirren are also due 30% of the 15% sell on fee Hibs negotiated for John McGinns move to Villa. In the summer when Celtic were reported to be looking at signing him the press didn’t seem to know if we had put a sell on clause in the contract, let’s hope so. Edited October 23, 2021 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: So if I have this right, Celtic had a sell-on clause which kicked in when we sold Hickey to Bologna. We included a sell-on clause of our own in that deal, and Celtic won't see a penny of that? We don't know. They could have a clause that says they receive a percentage of any transfer fees Hearts receive for Hickey. So any money we get for Hickey, whether it was the initial £1.5 mill or any fees received in future, they could be due a cut off. Personally, I think that is the most likely scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Norm said: We don't know. They could have a clause that says they receive a percentage of any transfer fees Hearts receive for Hickey. So any money we get for Hickey, whether it was the initial £1.5 mill or any fees received in future, they could be due a cut off. Personally, I think that is the most likely scenario. It’s the normal contract situation these days if a sell-on is included. Makes sense as well. If Devlin for instance was to go on and play for Blackburn, then Wolves, then Liverpool I’d want a share of each fee for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 16 hours ago, Norm said: We don't know. They could have a clause that says they receive a percentage of any transfer fees Hearts receive for Hickey. So any money we get for Hickey, whether it was the initial £1.5 mill or any fees received in future, they could be due a cut off. Personally, I think that is the most likely scenario. Has that happened in reality though? Seems a complicated clause. Is it for every move forever? Is it always the same %? Have Celtic done that with van Djik for example if he moves again? Can't see many teams agreeing to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Has that happened in reality though? Seems a complicated clause. Is it for every move forever? Is it always the same %? Have Celtic done that with van Djik for example if he moves again? Can't see many teams agreeing to that. It's actually quite a simple clause. The selling club will take xx% of any fee for player X that buying club receives. The contract is only ever between these two clubs - the player's future clubs are irrelevant. There could be 1; could be 20. The clause is the same. As soon as one club sells player X though and doesn't insert a sell-on clause, the money stops as the chain is broken. There are no more fees to get diluted. Edited October 23, 2021 by spacerjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, spacerjoe said: It's actually quite a simple clause. The selling club will take xx% of any fee for player X that buying club receives. The contract is only ever between these two clubs - the player's future clubs are irrelevant. There could be 1; could be 20. The clause is the same. As soon as one club sells player X though and doesn't insert a sell-on clause the money stops as the chain is broken. There are no more fees to get diluted. Are there any examples of Scottish clubs. Players often move for big money several times and it's always a press story here if a team stands to get a windfall. I can't think of any examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, ToqueJambo said: Are there any examples of Scottish clubs. Players often move for big money several times and it's always a press story here if a team stands to get a windfall. I can't think of any examples. I would imagine that it's not that common for the sell-on clauses to continue after the first big sale. I doubt if an EPL team bought Hickey for 10M say, that they would allow a sell-on for Bologna. So we're very unlikely to receive more than one sell-on fee for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, spacerjoe said: I would imagine that it's not that common for the sell-on clauses to continue after the first big sale. I doubt if an EPL team bought Hickey for 10M say, that they would allow a sell-on for Bologna. So we're very unlikely to receive more than one sell-on fee for him. Doesn't that mean Celtic is also unlikely to receive anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 9th league game this season tonight for Bologna v AC Milan 7.45pm. 9th start for Aaron Hickey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacerjoe Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Doesn't that mean Celtic is also unlikely to receive anything else? Correct. They would only get a cut of our cut. Its a bit like that film Inception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 English commentary http://www.hesgoal.com/news/89708/Bologna_vs_AC_Milan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: Are there any examples of Scottish clubs. Players often move for big money several times and it's always a press story here if a team stands to get a windfall. I can't think of any examples. Without using Google I think Queens Park got money when Andy Robertson went to Hull from D. Utd. No idea if they continued to grt anything from a sell on when he went to Liverpool? Sorry doesn't help as the Hull money is just ordinary sell on fee. Anyone know if they got money from Liverpool move? Edited October 23, 2021 by XB52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Bologna 1-0 down and now a man down now too (looked a dive). Hickey doing alright from what I’ve seen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) VAR 2nd red for Bologna after coming back to 2-2. (same foul ignored by VAR in England today Wolves player Saiss) Hickey subbed off in aftermath as Bologna make 3 changes. Edited October 23, 2021 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Some hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, Sooperstar said: Some hit. And technique to keep it down and on target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Plenty entertainment in this one!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 In the latest Scotland U21 squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 http://www.hesgoal.com/news/90182/Napoli_vs_Bologna.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: http://www.hesgoal.com/news/90182/Napoli_vs_Bologna.html Starting ahead of Dijks again. Thats a pretty major achievement as isn’t djiks very highly rated? Not good enough to cover r and l in the back line for the scotland squad though…. Tierneys injury might mean a chance though. Or does clarke not even know hickey exists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: Starting ahead of Dijks again. Thats a pretty major achievement as isn’t djiks very highly rated? Not good enough to cover r and l in the back line for the scotland squad though…. Tierneys injury might mean a chance though. Or does clarke not even know hickey exists? Nah, Dijks is shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 Another 80 mins against top opposition under his belt Bologna well beaten though. Aaron not at fault for any of the goals. Showed decent composure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Napoli look like they're favourites to win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 35 passes (100% success rate) , won 7 out of his 8 duals/tackles. Seemed to do alright tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Good to see the lad doing well whatever shite he is replacing in the team lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 42 minutes ago, Perth to Paisley said: Another 80 mins against top opposition under his belt Bologna well beaten though. Aaron not at fault for any of the goals. Showed decent composure. He could maybe have reacted slightly quicker to the very poor pass that put him and Bologna in trouble for the first goal. I agree that he is looking composed. Could become a great player. I’ve noticed in the last few games his side of the defence seems quite secure - it’s on the other flank that they have most of the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 57 minutes ago, leginten said: He could maybe have reacted slightly quicker to the very poor pass that put him and Bologna in trouble for the first goal. I agree that he is looking composed. Could become a great player. I’ve noticed in the last few games his side of the defence seems quite secure - it’s on the other flank that they have most of the problems. The right side if defence is marginally worse. Their defensive record on the whole is quite poor but they take a high risk/cavalier approach to it. Not sure about you but I tend to watch a Bologna game watching him much more than I watch the overall team (easier when he wore red boots 😉) I/we also tend to be hyper critical as I/we want him to do well. He has exceeded my expectations this soon into his calcio career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnB Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Had intended watching Wolves v Everton but am enjoying this one so just might sit tight. Young Aaron is playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 Nothing much has happened in this game Young Bologna left back looks a talent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Played the full 90 minutes. First time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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