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I wish to **** she would consider her first statement and cover off what she means without having to make another one to explain further what she originally meant.

 

Its annoying as ****

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Just now, Jamboelite said:

I wish to **** she would consider her first statement and cover off what she means without having to make another one to explain further what she originally meant.

 

Its annoying as ****

 

Who says the Scotsman interview was latest?

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29 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said:

Hearts will survive' - Ann Budge scotches claims that Tynecastle club are teetering on brink

Jambos chief explains cost-cutting measures and says she is not ‘worried’

31 minutes ago

Thursday, 9th April 2020, 8:03 pm

Updated 

 

Ann Budge has addresses suggestions that Hearts are on the brink. Copyright: Other 3rd Party

Moving to shutdown persistent rumours that her club are teetering on the brink thanks to the coronavirus crisis, Ann Budge has insisted that “Hearts will survive”.

The Edinburgh businesswoman, who rescued the Gorgie outfit from administration in 2014, was widely-criticised when, responding to the football shutdown, the club were the first in Scotland’s top flight to announce swingeing wage cuts.

That early response also provoked panic in the ranks with fans, who had dug deep to save their club and were worried that they would have to bail them out again.

Stuck in a precarious position at the foot of the Premiership and staring the possibility of relegation in the face, the size of the playing squad also intensified the concern, with some interpreting their refusal to offer wage deferrals in place of cuts as a sign that they are struggling financially.

But, Budge, who is poised to handover ownership to fans’ group Foundation of Hearts, has moved to shutdown the negativity, stating: “One of the first things I had to deal with when I first took over was £1million of football debt in unpaid wages from the previous regime and I am not going to build that problem in for anyone else, if I can avoid it. That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.

“We will go through the tough times like everyone else is at this moment but once we all come through this, I want us to be in a position where we can really motor and not have anything hanging over us for weeks or months.”

However, she admitted that the need to furlough staff and manage without usual revenues has made the past few weeks the most testing of her tenure, with more uncertainty and frustration caused by the league clubs’ disparate views on how to tackle the remainder of the season and address the issue of league reconstruction.

While she has also not ruled out legal action, should they be condemned to the Championship without the opportunity to save themselves through the fulfilment of all league fixtures, she admitted that there may come a time when she feels it is no longer worth taking it any further.

“But I have said from the beginning that we will absolutely take legal advice. If the legal advice is that we aren’t going to win then I will let it go. But, we haven’t reached that point and we are still looking at where we go from here.”

Where is this statement from?

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That is why we responded so quickly.

“It was obvious what was going to happen, that there will be no football until August, so we looked at the financial issues, looked at the costs and how we could stretch things out until football is restarted. We have got a plan that will see us through to August or September. If we get there and they are saying there will be no football ‘til January, I don’t think we will be the only club who see that as a different kind of problem. But, no, I am not worried. Hearts will survive.
 

 

Well thats a paragraph and a half ❤️👌🏻

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davemclaren
12 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited.

They will certainly help. 

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I still think Ann is trying to be as diplomatic as possible. 

 

Take the '**** everything and everyone' stance too early and they'll be less willing to listen to you. 

 

We absolutely need to be willing and to be seen willing to find a resolution to this no matter what the keyboard warriors on here say. 

 

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29 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited.

If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. 

It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. 

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So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, 

SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, 

Championship - Dundee, Partick

League 1 - Falkirk

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1 hour ago, Jamboelite said:

The response was in relation to the comment saying  the league wont start behind closed doors because of Sky.

 

I see no reason why the lack of fans will

impact Sky but enhance the audience numbers assuming scheduling is done to avoid alot of clashes.

Because it's not economically viable because the tv companies audience have no desire to screen all matches in Scotland. 

 

No fans no tv no money 

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11 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. 

It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. 

Hear hear 

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57 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Surely FOH funds now going direct to the club must help to mitigate to some extent, albeit limited.


Surely AB would allow it to be for some of her shareholding also? 

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24 minutes ago, Italian Lambretta said:

If we can use FOH funds to help prop up the club until football starts then thats fine. 

It would be even more satisfying if the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren go out of business because their pishy wee junkie fans cannot afford to support their shitty clubs. 

I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished.

 

Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding.

 

You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’

 

Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit.

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lost in space
36 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, 

SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, 

Championship - Dundee, Partick

League 1 - Falkirk

Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose.

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I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. 
 

Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS.

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2 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. 
 

Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS.

Depending on the order of the articles she hasnt said there is no legal option just that we havent come to that and if we do and then there is no option she’ll let it go.

 

I do think Doncaster and the likes have done this in a way that it perhaps makes it impossible to challenge but thats what lawyers are for.

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47 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

So far, it looks like against the proposal are for certain are, 

SPFL - Hearts, Rangers, 

Championship - Dundee, Partick

League 1 - Falkirk


Add Stranraer to the list. Saw their  representative taking about how disappointed they were with the proposal. Saying you wouldn’t award Usain Bolt the gold medal after 75m!

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2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

Depending on the order of the articles she hasnt said there is no legal option just that we havent come to that and if we do and then there is no option she’ll let it go.

 

I do think Doncaster and the likes have done this in a way that it perhaps makes it impossible to challenge but thats what lawyers are for.

That would involve an ounce of intelligence from Doncaster 

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Can the barrack room lawyers on the last 5 pages please confirm what our legal case is and the basis of that legal case?

 

The one the Ann Budge is giving up on.

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We should  go to court of arbitration for sport as well on this must have a good case our competitors are changing the rules after the competition has started to intentionally relegate a team , if they push this through it will set Scottish football back years 

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12 minutes ago, Jammy T said:

I know not many of you are lawyers but it shouldn’t be difficult to understand that if you don’t have any legal basis upon which to challenge a decision then you have nothing to fight and nothing to fight with. 
 

Budge isn’t giving up - there is no ****ing legal basis to appeal a members related vote - stitch up or not. ****ing engage your brains FFS.

I am no lawyer but I would think that Breach of Contract may be basis for a civil claim.

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9 minutes ago, washniklaw said:


Add Stranraer to the list. Saw their  representative taking about how disappointed they were with the proposal. Saying you wouldn’t award Usain Bolt the gold medal after 75m!

Fantastic. 

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10 minutes ago, Jambos1983 said:

That would involve an ounce of intelligence from Doncaster 

That would involve him covering his arse which he is good at.

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21 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose.

So we only need 3 teams in the championship to oppose it and the whole thing is scuppered for every league?

 

cmon Robbo you know it makes sense!

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27 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished.

 

Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding.

 

You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’

 

Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit.


Of let’s not and hope the basrstads die.

 

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

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Question. If SPFL call the league then afterwards say Hamilton go into administration what would happen.

Would the league still stand as it was called beforehand? 

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Pasquale for King
7 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Question. If SPFL call the league then afterwards say Hamilton go into administration what would happen.

Would the league still stand as it was called beforehand? 

Yeah apparently you can’t be handed a 15 point penalty for a force majeure event like this pandemic. It wouldn’t be Hamilton, people still want their other LINE of business 😜.

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11 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

Question. If SPFL call the league then afterwards say Hamilton go into administration what would happen.

Would the league still stand as it was called beforehand? 

Yes, and Hamilton would start on -15 next season. If they don’t survive admin then there is a gap in top league

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Pasquale for King
42 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

I don’t want to see ANY clubs going to the wall over this. For a start if the likes of St Mirren and Hamilton can’t survive this, just about every club below that level will probably go with them and some above that level. You’d end up with about 6 clubs left, and probably 4 of them in a right state for years to come. Scottish football as we know it would be finished.

 

Apart from which I want to see us get back to a place where clubs like that are coming to Tynecastle and going away with nothing to show for their visit but a right good hiding.

 

You might not think highly of their fan bases but at least they’re not catching a bus to Ibrox or Celtic Park every fortnight and the vast majority of them are common or garden football fans just like us. I dare say they have their share of pishy junky types but you only need to go to a few Hearts away games to see the nick of some of ‘our own’

 

Think carefully about what you wish for and think back a few years to when we were in real bother and some clubs helped us out a bit.

It might be unpalatable to some but if any team goes bust then who are they going to invite back up? If the teams are having financial problems would they not want us back? Having said that they would all probably vote for someone else like Dundee over us. If a few teams go bust then reconstruction will need to happen anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yeah apparently you can’t be handed a 15 point penalty for a force majeure event like this pandemic. It wouldn’t be Hamilton, people still want their other LINE of business 😜.

👃💭

1 minute ago, soonbe110 said:

Yes, and Hamilton would start on -15 next season. 

Cheers 

Wonder if any are waiting on that decision 

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40 minutes ago, lost in space said:

Surely Inverness MUST oppose - as they can go up through play-offs. If they do - proposal fails as they need 8 to back it and Partick and Dundee will also surely oppose.

They’d have to balance the chances of going up (very small) against the benefit of getting some cash in the near future - they are famously skint and were on the edge not so long ago.

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4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Yeah apparently you can’t be handed a 15 point penalty for a force majeure event like this pandemic. It wouldn’t be Hamilton, people still want their other LINE of business 😜.

A force majeure  means that due to 'unforseen circumstances'you can't fulfil a contract (i.e. SKY and BT).  So what's all the carry on about SPFL having to pay them back.

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2 minutes ago, RENE said:

A force majeure  means that due to 'unforseen circumstances'you can't fulfil a contract (i.e. SKY and BT).  So what's all the carry on about SPFL having to pay them back.

I think they would only pay it back if the season was null and void, if it's called now they don’t. I think it’s next seasons deal with Sky they’re worried about that’s supposed to start in August.

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Just now, Pasquale for King said:

I think they would only pay it back if the season was null and void, if it's called now they don’t. I think it’s next seasons deal with Sky they’re worried about that’s supposed to start in August.

Ok ta. 

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Fozzyonthefence
29 minutes ago, Jeremy Goss said:

So we only need 3 teams in the championship to oppose it and the whole thing is scuppered for every league?

 

cmon Robbo you know it makes sense!


Not really, no.  This will be like the Brexit vote.  They’ll vote and re vote until they get what they want. 

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17 minutes ago, robbo1874 said:

👃💭

Cheers 

Wonder if any are waiting on that decision 

Not sure if they would start next season on -15.

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Smith's right boot
4 hours ago, spug said:

That goes for me as well.

 

Honestly, at my age life has bigger concerns. 

 

I enjoy football and Hearts but if we get demoted, **** it. I'm done. 

 

Was tartan army for 10 years, gave it up 3 or so year ago, not missed it. 

 

Will just chuck football. 

 

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surely 4 teams will vote against it

 

hearts, rangers, hibs then just need one more Aberdeen or Motherwell ? 

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2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Honestly, at my age life has bigger concerns. 

 

I enjoy football and Hearts but if we get demoted, **** it. I'm done. 

 

Was tartan army for 10 years, gave it up 3 or so year ago, not missed it. 

 

Will just chuck football. 

 

How often do you go to matches anyway  ?

 

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6 minutes ago, NaturalOrder74 said:

surely 4 teams will vote against it

 

hearts, rangers, hibs then just need one more Aberdeen or Motherwell ? 


Why would Aberdeen or Motherwell vote against it?  They’ll both get into Europe if it goes through.

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Just now, Fozzyonthefence said:


Why would Aberdeen or Motherwell vote against it?  They’ll both get into Europe if it goes through.


potential extra cash of finishing above the other ? 

also if they end the league here and now surely they’d have no choice but to do the same with all competitions and scrap the Scottish cup. 
 

I don’t know enough about it, I reckon there’s another club that wouldn’t vote for it 

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8 minutes ago, luckydug said:

How often do you go to matches anyway  ?

 

 

All home games 

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I find it difficult to accept the notion that Sky can take such an unflinching stance under the circumstances. People, cities, countries, governments, other sporting events are all having to adapt and be flexible in these strange times, why not Sky. Yes, a contract has been signed but this was, presumably, before this pandemic, and it's profound effects, were known. Is it even likely football can begin in August anyway? 

 

Many TV companies, BBC included, will have signed contracts to cover Wimbledon, for example. Are they all behaving as if Covid and it's worldwide impact shouldn't have any impact on them? 

 

If there is nothing to be gained by taking this demotion to court what about the football authorities? UEFA don't seem keen on declaring current tables as final. If this vote does go against us (and all that is fair and decent) could we not protest to them. 

 

The notion of Hearts being expelled from the top flight to keep Celtic and Sky sweet is disgusting. 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, RENE said:

A force majeure  means that due to 'unforseen circumstances'you can't fulfil a contract (i.e. SKY and BT).  So what's all the carry on about SPFL having to pay them back.

Exactly

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17 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Honestly, at my age life has bigger concerns. 

 

I enjoy football and Hearts but if we get demoted, **** it. I'm done. 

 

Was tartan army for 10 years, gave it up 3 or so year ago, not missed it. 

 

Will just chuck football. 

 

 

If we all do that Tosh, Heart of Midlothian would die. 

 

All a bit cutting of your nose etc. 

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