SPFL and Covid ( Leagues 1 and 2 to restart )

[davemclaren]

6 minutes ago, Rods said:

I am a bit in shock at the recent interview unless she knows something we dont.

 

 

Her comments only make sense if she has been advised that we have very little chance of overturning any vote in the courts. 

[Mikey1874]

8 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

I knew the JkB donation wasn’t spent as they wanted to use it on something tangible and specific. Not sure how the didn’t need to Spend the only working capital they had though. It all seems so long ago now so my memory may be wrong.   

 

The working capital was not spent.

 

What I do find a little wrong is Ann Budge or Stuart Wallace has never said "the fans contributed £6 million" to the new stand. Ann said "we used cash reserves". 

[GorgieRules22]

Just now, davemclaren said:

Her comments only make sense if she has been advised that we have very little chance of overturning any vote in the courts. 

It’s on the back of a piss poor statement aswell last night.

 

the leadership of the club isn’t what it should be right at this time.

[davemclaren]

Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

The working capital was not spent.

 

What I do find a little wrong is Ann Budge or Stuart Wallace has never said "the fans contributed £6 million" to the new stand. Ann said "we used cash reserves". 

That’s my recollection. Perhaps @Footballfirst can comment?

[Rods]

1 minute ago, davemclaren said:

Her comments only make sense if she has been advised that we have very little chance of overturning any vote in the courts. 

 
I suppose you could be right.

 

If that is the case the threat should have remained until after the vote.

 

It comes accross as capitualation already to me and I am not to happy with that at all. We have been shafted money and bitterness have overidding sporting integrity.

[haj]

A complete u-turn on her statement last week. As fans we look to her to represent us and yet again we’ve been completely let down. We need to start fighting this NOW. Not after the vote. Supposedly a tough businesswoman but she looks ******* lost. If the vote goes against us next week, the anger that is currently being directed towards the SFA will be redirected straight in her direction. 

[Bazzas right boot]

If we are voted down by conpetitor clubs then I'm done with Scottish football. 

 

Taking the maroon glasses off, the Product is shite and only exists to accommodate 2 clubs. 

 

Not worth the emotional or financial input. 

 

 

[busby1985]

3 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Her comments only make sense if she has been advised that we have very little chance of overturning any vote in the courts. 

Then why not say so? She’s released a statement and now had a televised interview to explain that she’s been advised we won’t be able to over turn a democratic vote? Why hasn’t she bothered to reach out to league one and league two chairmen to canvas support? Would take her an hour or so to get the numbers. Felt like she’s totally just had enough. I let it slip when she become belligerent to criticism of Levein and I even tried to support her when she “sacked” him but never. I feel like she’s totally lost motivation for her role, have felt so for a while but have tried to ignore the growing noise around her on here and tried to remain pragmatic. Her allowing this to happen with no fight from her is unacceptable IMO. 

[Dagger Is Back]

8 minutes ago, 22games nro said:

 

 

For every club that votes this way ,including all the other league teams, championship etc. and that's their choice,

but I won't spend one penny more going to any of their grounds for as long as I live , they have a choice but so do I.

they can ram it 

it might not break the bank for them but I could never give  them another penny !

 

i hope we all have very long memories. It might be petty and childish but stuff it. Only way to pay these clubs back is by depriving them of our hard earned. 

[Jamboelite]

Clearly there is no legal challenge.

 

We will be doing this vote brexit style till it passes.

 

And she knows clubs are going to knock back league reconstruction.

 

we are down.

[flem]

31 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Just seen Budges statement. If this does come to pass and we are relegated and she makes no attempt to challenge it I won't be purchasing a season ticket and will expect her to be removed from the Board after FOH conclude their business with her. No harsh feelings towards tha ks to her actions 5 years ago but it would be a clear sign that she's done all he can for this club.

Agree with this, would also be my stance. 

[davemclaren]

3 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Then why not say so? She’s released a statement and now had a televised interview to explain that she’s been advised we won’t be able to over turn a democratic vote? Why hasn’t she bothered to reach out to league one and league two chairmen to canvas support? Would take her an hour or so to get the numbers. Felt like she’s totally just had enough. I let it slip when she become belligerent to criticism of Levein and I even tried to support her when she “sacked” him but never. I feel like she’s totally lost motivation for her role, have felt so for a while but have tried to ignore the growing noise around her on here and tried to remain pragmatic. Her allowing this to happen with no fight from her is unacceptable IMO. 

She did look a bit weary, I agree.  Couple of glasses of wine tonight and then a follow up statement to clarify we are still fighting our corner...maybe.  

[Jamhammer]

6 minutes ago, haj said:

A complete u-turn on her statement last week. As fans we look to her to represent us and yet again we’ve been completely let down. We need to start fighting this NOW. Not after the vote. Supposedly a tough businesswoman but she looks ******* lost. If the vote goes against us next week, the anger that is currently being directed towards the SFA will be redirected straight in her direction. 

That’ll be a new experience for her eh? Turkeys voting for Xmas clubs in the SPL wanting us down and we should hit them where it hurts. Gie them nowt in future

[stotty]

3 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Then why not say so? She’s released a statement and now had a televised interview to explain that she’s been advised we won’t be able to over turn a democratic vote? Why hasn’t she bothered to reach out to league one and league two chairmen to canvas support? Would take her an hour or so to get the numbers. Felt like she’s totally just had enough. I let it slip when she become belligerent to criticism of Levein and I even tried to support her when she “sacked” him but never. I feel like she’s totally lost motivation for her role, have felt so for a while but have tried to ignore the growing noise around her on here and tried to remain pragmatic. Her allowing this to happen with no fight from her is unacceptable IMO. 

Agreed - we should fight this tooth and nail, it would be completely unfair to relegate us. 

 

As a side note, we all knew this was a possibility and still those gutless sods didn't even turn up at St Mirren, yet are wanting full wages - fcuk the lot of them. 

[busby1985]

Just now, davemclaren said:

She did look a bit weary, I agree.  Couple of glasses of wine tonight and then a follow up statement to clarify we are still fighting our corner...maybe.  

I don’t think she’s been the same woman in terms of desire to change the landscape of the game etc since she was voted off the SPL board. Granted our performance on the park has distracted her but there was a point when she was hailed as the potential woman to sculpt and change the game from the old boys club routine. 

[flecktimus]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52236228

 

Scottish Football Officially suspended till June 10th  

[BelgeJambo]

29 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said:

Do you reckon she’s done a good job ?

 

God help us if you do.

And we have our first candidate

[Imaman]

The best way out of this is to declare the season nul and void. Any European place would be based on current league places for further European competitions. 
No solution will please everyone but IMO this is the best solution.  

Edited April 9, 2020 by Dannie Boy

[busby1985]

Just now, Dannie Boy said:

The best way out of this is to declare the season nil and void. Any European place would be based on current league places for further European competitions. 
No solution will please everyone but IMO this is the best solution.  

It’s not even on offer bud. 

[David McCaig]

Raith chairman stating that he thinks the proposal from the SPFL will fail!!!

[Jamboelite]

3 minutes ago, flecktimus said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52236228

 

Scottish Football Officially suspended till June 10th  

Oh a statement noting no chance of concluding the season just before a vote. 
 

Add the Sky deal that needs the new season to start asap.

 

****ing stitch up.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Jamboelite

[busby1985]

Just now, Jamboelite said:

Oh a statement just before a vote. 

 

****ing stitch up.

Yip. 
 

Clubs being held to ransom for their prize money. 

[David McCaig]

4 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

I don’t think she’s been the same woman in terms of desire to change the landscape of the game etc since she was voted off the SPL board. Granted our performance on the park has distracted her but there was a point when she was hailed as the potential woman to sculpt and change the game from the old boys club routine. 

I think the last couple of days will have finally hammered home to her, that no other club acts in the interest of anyone other than themselves.

[Imaman]

Just now, busby1985 said:

It’s not even on offer bud. 

It won’t be because it’s to simple and to fair. The SPFL are a waste of space as is the SFA. 

[David McCaig]

1 minute ago, Jamboelite said:

Oh a statement noting no chance of concluding the season just before a vote. 
 

Add the Sky deal needs the new season to start asap.

 

****ing stitch up.

And just as it seems like their proposal is struggling to gather the required support!!

[Jamboelite]

My hope is there is no football for 6-8 months and it will **** every club over.

if they shaft us they all deserve misery.

 

It would also mean a reduced season in the Championship and reducing the impact of that.

 

I’ll never forget that useless shit group of players are the main cause.

 

Every other relegation was due to financial issues but this one is down to utter incompetence.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Jamboelite

[Jamboelite]

Just now, David McCaig said:

And just as it seems like their proposal is struggling to gather the required support!!

Its ****ing disgusting how corrupt they are.

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

My hope is there is no football for 6-8 months and it will **** every club over.

 

It would also mean a reduced season in the championship.

 

I’m thinking that way too, see how their deal with Sky takes shape with no football at all this year.

[husref musemic]

7 minutes ago, flecktimus said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52236228

 

Scottish Football Officially suspended till June 10th  

I'd forgot the tache has wormed his way in here

[EagleJambo]

English FA have just ratified the decision to end 2019/20 season for English non-league clubs with all results expunged.

[busby1985]

2 minutes ago, David McCaig said:

And just as it seems like their proposal is struggling to gather the required support!!

Yeah but this will be a weekly vote till they get the result they want. This season will not be null and voided because Celtic won’t allow it. Everyone else is collateral. 

[Gordon Ramsay]

Annie nae clue strikes again, shame I was beginning to warm to her again a tiny wee bit. 

[jock _turd]

And yet the EPL are adamant that they are going to finish their season! Just reading that they think they will be able to conclude their season in 56 days ... can anybody at all tell me why Scottish football has to be different?

[husref musemic]

4 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

My hope is there is no football for 6-8 months and it will **** every club over.

if they shaft us they all deserve misery.

 

It would also mean a reduced season in the Championship and reducing the impact of that.

 

I’ll never forget that useless shit group of players are the main cause.

 

Every other relegation was due to financial issues but this one is down to utter incompetence.

Spot on. an absolute disgrace to the jersey. 4 wins all season ! 

[Mikey1874]

11 minutes ago, flecktimus said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52236228

 

Scottish Football Officially suspended till June 10th  

 

So from indefinite to an actual date

[EIEIO]

2 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

And yet the EPL are adamant that they are going to finish their season! Just reading that they think they will be able to conclude their season in 56 days ... can anybody at all tell me why Scottish football has to be different?

TV Money.

[Randy Marsh]

8 minutes ago, Jamboelite said:

My hope is there is no football for 6-8 months and it will **** every club over.

 

It would also mean a reduced season in the championship.

 

Assuming we are down then hopefully it would be a very short season in the Championship. Possibly only 2 rounds of fixtures (18 matches).  At least our demotion won't be as dramatic and embarrassing like Hibs in 2014.  Our fate sealed by an unfair vote.  That's the only positives I can think of. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Randy Marsh

[stotty]

2 minutes ago, husref musemic said:

Spot on. an absolute disgrace to the jersey. 4 wins all season ! 

And still want full wages! 

[Jamboelite]

4 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

And yet the EPL are adamant that they are going to finish their season! Just reading that they think they will be able to conclude their season in 56 days ... can anybody at all tell me why Scottish football has to be different?

Two words

 

Neil Doncaster.

[Jamboelite]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

So from indefinite to an actual date

Its almost as if they want to press home something Mickey before an important decision.......

[hughesie27]

If it doesn't pass what is the next step? Good that thenSPFL have offered an alternative...

[Mort]

5 minutes ago, EIEIO said:

TV Money.

Surely in the same boat down south? 

[Footballfirst]

32 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

That’s my recollection. Perhaps @Footballfirst can comment?

£3.05m was handed over to the club for working capital purposes in the first two years following administration to May 2016. (in addition to the £1m up front)

 

However the club generated more revenue than it expected over the season in the championship and the first season back in the Premiership (3rd), meaning that it was able to create a cash reserve. The first redevelopment budget in May 2016 had a £3m contribution from the Club's own reserves. Those reserves were the equivalent of the FOH contributions over the previous two years, i.e. the club was able to operate on a break even basis without the FOH cash.

 

The separate £3m FOH contribution direct to fund the redevelopment followed over the next two years. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Footballfirst

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, annushorribilis III said:

Sure, if that was how the competition was actually being run : but it's not the case. This is a unique situation that required the member clubs to find a solution to their own problem because it doesn't exist in law or in the current SPFL rule book - no one could have envisioned this scenario. 

 

My big fear at the outset was that the SPFL would cop out by putting it to a members vote and it seems this is what's going to happen. If the member clubs decide this is how they (they being the SPFL) want to go about it then there doesn't seem anything Hearts can do. Hearts can hardly complain  that the body they are a member of had a democratic vote and they didn't like the outcome. AB is about to find out how many friends she has. 

 

And before anyone starts : No, i don't want to see Hearts relegated.

The sad truth. Its not like we just occupied 12th last week.....its not like we had not recently played our closest challengers.

Very expensive freck up but Covid 19 is only a part of the reason.

If the rest of the gang calls it, then we should accept it, as we would expect others to. They may decide not to vote for the proposal of course.

Edited April 9, 2020 by pettigrewsstylist

[oi oi]

17 hours ago, davemclaren said:

I think he’s saying that he’s read the rules, that the clubs signed up to,  and doesn't think we’ll have much of a case. Hopefully he’s wrong. 

Hopefully I'm wrong too but there doesn't appear to be a lot of wiggle room

[EIEIO]

Just now, Mort said:

Surely in the same boat down south? 

Sorry, I meant the huge TV money in England and it's potential claw back is the driver for finishing the season behind closed doors.

In Scotland it's about next season's tv money.

[Heartsofgold]

2 hours ago, luckydug said:

If we get relegated why should we bother about Sky ?

Not as they will filming the Scottish Championship. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Heartsofgold

[busby1985]

4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

If it doesn't pass what is the next step? Good that thenSPFL have offered an alternative...

They’ll vote again and the SPFL will threaten the clubs that TV money and prize money can’t be distributed unless the league is declared. 

[Footballfirst]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52236228

 

Quote

The Scottish football season has been pushed further back with all games suspended until at least 10 June.

The SPFL campaign was halted on 13 March because of the coronavirus pandemic and had been originally stopped until 30 April.

However, no football will be played for at least three months, with member clubs also set to vote this week on ending the lower league season now.

The suspension applies to professional and recreational levels of the game.

"The message is very clear," said Scottish FA president Rod Petrie. "The government restrictions introduced to save lives must be adhered to and there is no prospect of an early resumption of training, let alone organised football in Scotland for several weeks.

"The decision to suspend all football until at least 10 June is to help clubs ensure the safety and wellbeing of players, staff and supporters as well as take steps to mitigate their costs.

"Scottish football applauds everyone working within NHS Scotland and the care sector and should place no additional burden at a time when their resources are being tested to the limit because of Covid-19."All 42 SPFL clubs will vote prior to Friday's 17:00 BST deadline on whether the Championship, League One and League Two seasons will be called now.

The Scottish top flight will remain postponed "to give the best possible opportunity" for it to finish, but it would also be decided on points won per match "if the SPFL board determines" the games cannot be played.

No decision will be taken until after Uefa's executive meeting on 23 April.

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Footballfirst

[Mort]

2 minutes ago, EIEIO said:

Sorry, I meant the huge TV money in England and it's potential claw back is the driver for finishing the season behind closed doors.

In Scotland it's about next season's tv money.

Understood. Surely England are worrying about next seasons TV money too though? If they plan to finish this season, surely they won’t start next year on time.