The Wrinkly Ninja Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, graygo said: Nothing like throwing a hand grenade into the room then running away. Running away yet still online and viewing the thread according to their profile. I you have to come out with this stuff state it as an opinion or state the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, GBJambo said: This would have been factored in. Budge isn’t stupid But is she clever enough to have a crystal ball that predicts this seasons incomes/ losses factoring in all covid/ Governmental decisions? Then the SFA/SPFL agreeing same to be factual!!!!! Finger in the air at best! No one has the information required, best guess is my best guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, The Wrinkly Ninja said: Running away yet still online and viewing the thread according to their profile. I you have to come out with this stuff state it as an opinion or state the source. Ban them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Bit of a flurry of activity today, well now? Here is hoping there is going to be white smoke! Got a bit of a gut feeling now, not that the dicision will go one way or the other, but that there is a decision? I still would like to place 50p on a decision in our favour, if we had our case thrown out it would have happened last week. get the F5 keys battering from now peeps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, 8skacel8 said: We have lost on all counts. Can people like this be banned please, adds nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Drifter Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, tokyowalnut said: This forum is filled with guess work, this whole saga and thread alone has over 1700 pages full of supposition. Me voicing an opinion and my thoughts isn't any different to what everyone else is doing! That's what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, jambone said: Breaking: Decision to be announced at 3:01 on Saturday 1st August. Aberdeen v Rangers is a 1230 ko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunts Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 First anyone will know is when it’s posted on an official website - Hearts or SPFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The length of time being taken could suggest that a decision isn't unanimous. Could be problematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Jambo61 said: But is she clever enough to have a crystal ball that predicts this seasons incomes/ losses factoring in all covid/ Governmental decisions? Then the SFA/SPFL agreeing same to be factual!!!!! Finger in the air at best! No one has the information required, best guess is my best guess! Why would Covid costs have to be factored in? For these sorts of things you would include normal losses of revenue not exceptional losses of revenue. Therefore Covid, just like losses on transfer fees would be excluded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said: Ban them. Yup. Would be a good idea (including me for my 12pm press conference trolling. And SJ for his reconstruction posts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, martoon said: 7up with a dash of pepper works, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said: Yup think you could be right. Delay has made me a bit more positive. Rumour on Twitter from Joe Black is that someone from another club has assisted our case. (Reading between the lines). Not sure how credible he is though to be honest. He's definitely a bit of a haver is Joe Black, I find he's either bang on the cash or wildly off the mark, there's actually no in between with that guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said: Yup think you could be right. Delay has made me a bit more positive. Rumour on Twitter from Joe Black is that someone from another club has assisted our case. (Reading between the lines). Not sure how credible he is though to be honest. How could Reading help our case, different leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, davieholt said: The length of time being taken could suggest that a decision isn't unanimous. Could be problematic. Don't need a unanimous decision. 3 on the panel, majority vote rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, davieholt said: The length of time being taken could suggest that a decision isn't unanimous. Could be problematic. I don't think the decision needs to be unanimous, 2-1 either way is enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, davieholt said: The length of time being taken could suggest that a decision isn't unanimous. Could be problematic. I think that just means the chair makes a decision ? (I’m struggling to understand how it works tbh but that was my understanding of it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Berra than you said: Don't need a unanimous decision. 3 on the panel, majority vote rules. The chair has the deciding vote I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Indeed. The only part we may have to re-quantify would be for the loss of revenue due to no fans being allowed in the stadiums at the moment. That's the same for everyone and not due to the decision to demote us. Of course, that may have already been factored in. I don't think so. Exceptional costs like Covid and transfer fees would be excluded from the calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, bazman said: The chair has the deciding vote I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Dundee United in both also SPFL can't even be consistent in these wee decisions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: How could Reading help our case, different leagues? I read-ed it like that too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Yeah but what does making up random figure achieve? That's not an opinion, it is just a Random things are made up on here all of the time. My figure is, of course, purely guess work based on the £8m number we've put forward. I dont think we will get that and I dont think we will get a lump sum, if the decision to relegate us is upheld. Don't really see the problem with me voicing my opinion?! We could end going in circles here. Hopefully my wild guesswork is completely wrong and we are reinstated 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 42 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Indeed - but how do you quantify those losses? If next season gets curtailed and there is no promotion, then the losses grow...This would still be a direct loss attributable to the April decision. Any compensation can only ever be an estimate, as no one can know what the future might hold - but it will likely be “in full and final settlement” to stop either side trying to argue it up or down towards the end of the season. Hearts employed an independent firm of auditors to look at income/expenditure for last season, and projected figures for this season in the Championship against this season in the Premiership - the same was done for Partick Thistle. That’s where the £8m/£2m figures came from. David Winnie described the figures as being rather conservative. I believe a full breakdown of how the figures were arrived at formed part of the submission by the two Clubs. It will not be open to haggling, or up for negotiation, to try to reach agreement with the SPFL - that’s not how arbitration works. The Panel will look at the figures and evidence we have provided, and either accept our estimates, or reach a different estimate themselves - that will then need to be paid in full, by the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Berra than you said: Don't need a unanimous decision. 3 on the panel, majority vote rules. Indeed but to lose on a split vote could encourage Hearts/ Partick to go back to CoS if our lawyers disagree with the written judgement on a point of law. I doubt the SPFL would want to risk that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Largest TV contract to date, I’ve earned every penny. 😉 Pity about the lack of a sponsor for the league though. Still for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Why would Covid costs have to be factored in? For these sorts of things you would include normal losses of revenue not exceptional losses of revenue. Therefore Covid, just like losses on transfer fees would be excluded... No problems to me if the rest cover some of our covid losses, but is that really likely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Yup. Would be a good idea (including me for my 12pm press conference trolling. And SJ for his reconstruction posts). SJ has now jumped in to your negative camp. He now thinks we'll lose. He said that a while ago. FWIW I think we we'll win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, tokyowalnut said: Random things are made up on here all of the time. My figure is, of course, purely guess work based on the £8m number we've put forward. I dont think we will get that and I dont think we will get a lump sum, if the decision to relegate us is upheld. Don't really see the problem with me voicing my opinion?! We could end going in circles here. Hopefully my wild guesswork is completely wrong and we are reinstated 👍 Sure but to make a random figure into an opinion, you have to offer some sort of justification. You've not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, davieholt said: Indeed but to lose on a split vote could encourage Hearts/ Partick to go back to CoS if our lawyers disagree with the written judgement on a point of law. I doubt the SPFL would want to risk that WE cant we agreed to the result. we could only go back on case law, but that is very slim, these guys know wht they are doing, even if we dont end up liking the result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 This will be a Jim White special on Sky Sports on Friday - will we get a decision before the 1st of August? A massive countdown clock and him in his yellow tie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Pity about the lack of a sponsor for the league though. Still for you. If we could get another two or three old firm games I could probably arrange a sponsor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, luckydug said: SJ has now jumped in to your negative camp. He now thinks we'll lose. He said that a while ago. FWIW I think we we'll win. That probably means we’ll win then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number-16 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: I don't think the decision needs to be unanimous, 2-1 either way is enough Could it be a three-way split and they've realised the SFA rules don't have adequate rules on how to proceed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Spellczech said: I don't think so. Exceptional costs like Covid and transfer fees would be excluded from the calculation. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Captain Canada said: This will be a Jim White special on Sky Sports on Friday - will we get a decision before the 1st of August? A massive countdown clock and him in his yellow tie! and shouting as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The longer this goes on, the more I think we might have won. Be under no illusion that if we had lost the SPFL wouldn't have leaked it left, right and centre by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 days or 120 hours or 7200 minutes or 432,000 seconds until the season supposedly kicks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, davieholt said: The length of time being taken could suggest that a decision isn't unanimous. Could be problematic. No it wouldn't A win is a win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, davieholt said: Indeed but to lose on a split vote could encourage Hearts/ Partick to go back to CoS if our lawyers disagree with the written judgement on a point of law. I doubt the SPFL would want to risk that A fair point. As I think someone mentioned all panel members must give their written verdict. So if it is only 1 vote in our favour, their reasoning might encourage our QC to challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 million? It should have been 10 Everyone, calm TF down. No one knows anything til it's announced, THEN we can all go ****ing tonto, one way or the other. Let's sing kumbayah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: How could Reading help our case, different leagues? Perhaps offered us a glamour friendly at the Mad-Stad!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, blair.melles said: Excellent first post and I fully concur with your thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambo61 said: No problems to me if the rest cover some of our covid losses, but is that really likely? Should be. Though the SPFL would try to argue against it...Civil law is about restitution. We have a duty to minimise our losses and Ann Budge has done this, ie couldn't add Messi to the payroll then claim his wages, but trying to include a factor like Covid to reduce our claim may actually be difficult ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Queensland Jambo said: The longer this goes on, the more I think we might have won. Be under no illusion that if we had lost the SPFL wouldn't have leaked it left, right and centre by now. Thats where I am getting at, if we lost there are 40 clubs jumping about with glee plus averybody who works for the SPFL and SFA, one would have leaked. Whereas as just 2 clubs is easier to contain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Meltdown in 5......4.......3...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I'm getting the butterfly feeling in my stomach that something is bubbling and not long to wait now. Either have some lunch or go to the loo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, graygo said: Meltdown in 5......4.......3...... I'm raging that you stopped at 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jambo61 said: Based on what? Based on types of cost - normal ones v exceptional costs. Same as in financial reporting: You make a trading profit which is comparable year on year. You don't include transfer income/losses in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: Either have some lunch or go to the loo. beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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