Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 19 hours ago, Last Laff said: How many years has John Robertson been managing in the championship and how many times has he had a team promoted? How on earth is he tailor made? Tommy Wright is a fantastic point and would be a much better appointment in the short term at least. Let’s all hope it’s irrelevant and Daniel stays though because he’s the best man for the job and it’s about time we all backed a manager. Don't worry about it. I'm not alone in wanting Robbo brought in. If you can't see what he would bring to the job at this time that's your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 19 hours ago, Marty Byrde said: It's not nonsense. Tommy Wright is a demonstrably better manager than Robbo but people don't want him, why is that? To me it's heart ruling head stuff especially when Wright is a free agent. But there ye go. Should add I want DS to stay, but if he were to go etc Wright puts out awful to watch teams. Robbo's record compares well at a similar level to Wright at different times in their careers. Robbo knows Hearts and the expectations that go with that. He's also managed Hearts, and did well, which means he's managed at a higher level than Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Don't worry about it. I'm not alone in wanting Robbo brought in. If you can't see what he would bring to the job at this time that's your problem. I would give him the opportunity definitely as he was treated shocking last time around and is a legend in fact theee legend. Better managers out there though, like Wright and Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hectormasson said: Wouldn't be hard to lose it up there ,it's a shithole, still a young man with a decent football brain where ever he uses it at ..... Fair point 😁 Ironically enough he lost it because of his treatment of a good Jambo. 👍 Edited June 3, 2020 by Last Laff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Wright puts out awful to watch teams. Robbo's record compares well at a similar level to Wright at different times in their careers. Robbo knows Hearts and the expectations that go with that. He's also managed Hearts, and did well, which means he's managed at a higher level than Wright. Wright won the cup with St Johnstone on a fraction of budget that we ever give a manager including and doing much better than Levein who also set out teams to play shite. When’s he ever been given the resources to play otherwise? He gets a team to play to it’s strengths regardless of weakness, injuries or personnel. It’s called being a good manager. Like Robinson at Motherwell, now he has better players that play good football they are the second best footballing side in the country. Snobbish and ignorant to say Robbo is a better choice than Wright. I guarantee there’s only hearts fans that would want that out of every other club in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Last Laff said: Wright won the cup with St Johnstone on a fraction of budget that we ever give a manager including and doing much better than Levein who also set out teams to play shite. When’s he ever been given the resources to play otherwise? He gets a team to play to it’s strengths regardless of weakness, injuries or personnel. It’s called being a good manager. Like Robinson at Motherwell, now he has better players that play good football they are the second best footballing side in the country. Snobbish and ignorant to say Robbo is a better choice than Wright. I guarantee there’s only hearts fans that would want that out of every other club in football. Here here🇶🇦🇶🇦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Whatever said: Still don’t want Robinson. Horrible ***** of a man. True, but he's a good manager. Edited June 3, 2020 by Arthur Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyCox Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 02/06/2020 at 22:33, Cruyff said: They don't deserve that shit. If they're really lucky, Stendel as his assistant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyCox Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Koolkeith said: Personally don't think Stendel is worth taking a further risk with. Rather go for someone tried and tested. Robinson or Holt to steady the ship. I imagine Stendel has ambitions to return to the English game at some point, and struggle to see how managing in the Scottish Championship helps in this endeavour. He will all but disappear from view down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB GIN Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Stendel all day long for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Byrde Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 14 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Wright puts out awful to watch teams. Robbo's record compares well at a similar level to Wright at different times in their careers. Robbo knows Hearts and the expectations that go with that. He's also managed Hearts, and did well, which means he's managed at a higher level than Wright. Your last sentence is drivel and proves my point - heart is ruling the head. The rest a matter of opinion. They've both clearly managed at the same level. Highest Robbo finished was 5th with us, meanwhile Wright finished 4th three times. He also won a Scottish Cup with plain old St Johnstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Last Laff said: Snobbish and ignorant to say Robbo is a better choice than Wright. I guarantee there’s only hearts fans that would want that out of every other club in football. I wonder what ICT fans opinion on that might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 02/06/2020 at 22:05, Boghell51 said: Andy Walker has written a piece on Sky sports website about reconstruction, at the end he says Robbo will be Hearts new manager for new season Not quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, SUTOL said: I wonder what ICT fans opinion on that might be? It depends how happy they are kicking about mid table of the championship I suppose. It would be interesting to compare Inverness and St Johnstone’s budget right enough. Ones top six in the Prem one is in the playoff positions in the league below. Edited June 4, 2020 by Last Laff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Not quite. He could'nt resist the wee dig at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything2 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 20 hours ago, SM Sheffield said: The Daily Record is talking about Benni McCarthy as a potential manager if Stendel leaves. They’ve written an article this evening. I’m not sure how McCarthy thinks he has any sort of coaching background to warrant a job like Hearts. Was he not the one who said he was interviewed and made it to the final 2 last time but no one confirmed it from the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodfella Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, Bongo 1874 said: Good tune. Will be easy enough to get 'I see a - John Robertson winning' in there 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said: Stendel coming back?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, wavydavy said: He could'nt resist the wee dig at the end. Hadn’t noticed that 🙈. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Not quite. JR would be good PR . Hopefully , if picked , a good manager too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 hours ago, NB GIN said: Stendel all day long for me 100% this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 hours ago, NB GIN said: Stendel all day long for me This for me👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander lovemuscle Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, jamboozy said: This for me👍 And Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, johnthomas said: JR would be good PR . Hopefully , if picked , a good manager too PR yes, good manager down below perhaps but there’s a reason he’s not had a big job since he left us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 We’ve got a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Wanshot. Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 15/04/2020 at 21:57, Thought Police said: Robbo or Robinson has to be Robbo, we should have got him in January, Sten hasn't a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Marty Byrde said: Your last sentence is drivel and proves my point - heart is ruling the head. The rest a matter of opinion. They've both clearly managed at the same level. Highest Robbo finished was 5th with us, meanwhile Wright finished 4th three times. He also won a Scottish Cup with plain old St Johnstone. Wright is unproven at a big club as a coach. Robbo knows the score. That's what makes Robbo a lower risk appointment for the Championship. Although I'd also take him before Wright and Robinson for the Premiership. It's also telling that, like Robinson, no other club our size has been willing to take a punt on Wright despite a number of managerial changes. I don't want Hearts to be the club that tests whether or not they can make the step up to a club with MUCH higher expectations and a MUCH higher budget. Someone else can have a go first. We've taken too many risks with managerial appointments recently. A combination of Gary Locke and John McGlynn got us to within a whisker of our first league cup for 50 years or so. Craig Levein got us to a cup final and semis. Cup runs are not the way to judge managers. Edited June 4, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Time to move on from stendel. No matter what league we are in its too much of a risk. Would prefer Robinson if in the top league or robbo in the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Order Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 What has Robbo actually done in management? Not enough for me. McCann has done even less and Robinson is a total **** of a man. We would be as well getting Billy Brown in if those are the choices. Stendel with a further squad clear out for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 In our market Stephen Robinson is the stand out,constantly finds players from lower leagues that they have sold on,bleeds youngsters and doesn't take any shit. He is Taylor made for this gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Natural Order said: What has Robbo actually done in management? Not enough for me. McCann has done even less and Robinson is a total **** of a man. We would be as well getting Billy Brown in if those are the choices. Stendel with a further squad clear out for me. Brought Caley to top flight for first time in their history.first British manager to get British team into europa group stages via proper route(not straight in from champs league exit) to name couple of things Edited June 4, 2020 by Hearts007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 8 hours ago, NB GIN said: Stendel all day long for me Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The Natural Order said: What has Robbo actually done in management? Not enough for me. McCann has done even less and Robinson is a total **** of a man. We would be as well getting Billy Brown in if those are the choices. Stendel with a further squad clear out for me. What has Stendel done? Robbo's record managing Hearts was considerably better than his so far. What had Neilson done? Or JJ and Doddie when they became our managers? Robbo is the nearest thing we can get to JJ or Doddie for me, which everyone must agree is exactly what we need at this time. That said if Stendel's affordable and willing, let's see what he can do. Robbo jumped into a tough situation at Hearts mid season with a European campaign under way and all the uncertainty with Romanov starting to parachute random players in from Lithuania. He did very well all things considered and his football was immediately better and more attacking than Levein's. Got us to two semi finals and a respectable 5th finish plus a good showing in Europe. Edited June 4, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Hearts Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Think we need a clean sweep, have not been convinced by DS, granted he has walked into a sh*t show. Anyone, who could not see old poppadom hands was the weakest link in a piss poor Hearts side, really concerns me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hearts007 said: Brought Caley to top flight for first time in their history.first British manager to get British team into europa group stages via proper route(not straight in from champs league exit) to name couple of things Levein was the manager when we got to the group stages, beating Braga to get there, Levein in fact was still coach for the first group game against Feyernoord, Robbo didn’t take over until the Schalke game. IMHO, Robbo would probably get us out the championship, but we would be looking for a new coach if we get back to the premiership, I’d hate to see the legend that is Robbo being hounded out the club by a fickle and impatient Hearts support, which will inevitably happen, Stephen Robinson should have got the job 6 months ago and is still the standout candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Agreed lost faith a bit I have to say watching Liam Boyce and Naismith play central mid 🤷♂️🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: lost faith a bit I have to say watching Liam Boyce and Naismith play central mid 🤷♂️🤦♂️ I don't think even Levein would have done that. He would have stuck two strikers like that up front, with Washington too. I am still completely unconvinced about Stendel's ability as a manager. We know he wants to play good football but so did Cathro. So do lots of managers. Actually being able to do it consistently and get results is a whole other thing. Aside from getting more of a tune out of Moore and Clare, and for one or two games Damour, he really didn't improve us significantly. Halkett is one player who declined under him. Persisting with old floppy hands was a critical error. Even Levein didn't stick with Doyle or Zlamal after their mistakes that long. He seems like a great personality, which is the only thing making me willing to stick with him for now along with a hope he can get us playing great stuff while also winning. But that's still more of a hope. Edited June 4, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: I don't think even Levein would have done that. He would have stuck two strikers like that up front, with Washington too. I am still completely unconvinced about Stendel's ability as a manager. We know he wants to play good football but so did Cathro. So do lots of managers. Actually being able to do it consistently and get results is a whole other thing. Aside from getting more of a tune out of Moore and Clare, and for one or two games Damour, he really didn't improve us significantly. Halkett is one player who declined under him. Persisting with old floppy hands was a critical error. Even Levein didn't stick with Doyle or Zlamal after their mistakes that long. He seems like a great personality, which is the only thing making me willing to stick with him for now along with a hope he can get us playing great stuff while also winning. But that's still more of a hope. I share the same concerns, I saw some things which frankly made no sense.. and that last game against stmirren was cathro esque. Players looked to Have given up trying Playing his style.. I really like him, desperate for it to work.. not convinced tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I got told today, by an Aberdeen fan, Ann is very keen on Derek McInnes and apparently met with him in December before Stendel was appointed. Anyone hear similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said: I got told today, by an Aberdeen fan, Ann is very keen on Derek McInnes and apparently met with him in December before Stendel was appointed. Anyone hear similar? If you change “is” to “was” it could be believable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said: lost faith a bit I have to say watching Liam Boyce and Naismith play central mid 🤷♂️🤦♂️ It annoyed me as well. Looked a great partnership up front and then Washington was accommodated up top. Our lack of any decent midfielders was clearly the reasoning but even considering that it was poor from Stendel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdy Doody Jambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said: I got told today, by an Aberdeen fan, Ann is very keen on Derek McInnes and apparently met with him in December before Stendel was appointed. Anyone hear similar? Larry Lamb by any chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Walter Bishop said: I got told today, by an Aberdeen fan, Ann is very keen on Derek McInnes and apparently met with him in December before Stendel was appointed. Anyone hear similar? Yes, have already mentioned it a few times on here. If we are in top league it could well happen this summer. Aberdeen won’t be difficult to deal with. Edited June 4, 2020 by soonbe110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, GinRummy said: It annoyed me as well. Looked a great partnership up front and then Washington was accommodated up top. Our lack of any decent midfielders was clearly the reasoning but even considering that it was poor from Stendel. Washington/Walker, Naismith and Boyce is an excellent front 3. Full of energy, goals and nous. Stendel had them all fit and I could be wrong but I don't think he used that once. I have no doubts Levein would have played a 4-3-3 to try to get us out of trouble. We had the personnel by then - Hickey, Clare, Berra/Dikamona, Halkett/Souttar; Moore, Smith, Irving; Walker/Washington, Naismith, Boyce. Wasted opportunity and a big question mark against Stendel. Robbo's being discussed on here and he would have no qualms playing an attacking line-up with those guys available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Washington/Walker, Naismith and Boyce is an excellent front 3. Full of energy, goals and nous. Stendel had them all fit and I could be wrong but I don't think he used that once. I have no doubts Levein would have played a 4-3-3 to try to get us out of trouble. We had the personnel by then - Hickey, Clare, Berra/Dikamona, Halkett/Souttar; Moore, Smith, Irving; Walker/Washington, Naismith, Boyce. Wasted opportunity and a big question mark against Stendel. Robbo's being discussed on here and he would have no qualms playing an attacking line-up with those guys available. I think DS made mistakes but I just about want him to get a pre-season and a couple of players in to show us what he can really do. The more time goes on the more pie in the sky a proper pre-season and a few signings looks. Not against Robbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 If it’s not Stendel, and I don’t think it will be, then there are a few ahead of Robbo based on previous experience and success. McInnes, Robinson and Wright all have better cv’s than Robbo imo. Not sure I’m keen on all of them but their records are better than Robbo’s. Add Nielson to the pack and there’s four who are well ahead of Robbo based on management career success to date. Not sure why we always get stuck with these discussions re ex-Hearts players. Presley, Hartley, McCann, Robbo always get a mention but none have really succeeded at any great level as a manager. If ex-Hearts is a requisite for the job then Nielson is the only one that comes close to fitting the bill. I think McInnes is head and shoulders ahead of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: If it’s not Stendel, and I don’t think it will be, then there are a few ahead of Robbo based on previous experience and success. McInnes, Robinson and Wright all have better cv’s than Robbo imo. Not sure I’m keen on all of them but their records are better than Robbo’s. Add Nielson to the pack and there’s four who are well ahead of Robbo based on management career success to date. Not sure why we always get stuck with these discussions re ex-Hearts players. Presley, Hartley, McCann, Robbo always get a mention but none have really succeeded at any great level as a manager. If ex-Hearts is a requisite for the job then Nielson is the only one that comes close to fitting the bill. I think McInnes is head and shoulders ahead of them all. I can't see is persuading McInnes or Robinson (or Wright) to drop down a division and to be honest can't stand any of them. None has a reputation for great football and they all come across badly in the media for me. I'd take Neilson back in a shot but again would he drop down a division? If we stay in the premiership all bets are off as we'd have a bigger pool to choose from but I'd still like Stendel or Robbo. Robbo is a realistic (ie affordable and likely to want to come) option for the Champ though unlike pretty much all those names, possibly including Stendel. Edited June 4, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Auf weiedersen Daniel thanks for the effort but not nearly good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, soonbe110 said: Yes, have already mentioned it a few times on here. If we are in top league it could well happen this summer. Aberdeen won’t be difficult to deal with. But would Derek move to championship if that happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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