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Barack
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Sweden's not in lockdown. Their Government have left it up to the individual, to decide if they want to stay home or not. And even that decision is starting to be questioned in Sweden by liberals.

 

As for testing kits and antibodies being ready by 2 months...even if they were, it'll be for frontline workers in the NHS, not so footballer's can get back to the day job. 

 

**** sake.

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RonnieG
2 minutes ago, Gilberts Fridge said:

 

 

Do you have a source for that.

neil lennon.

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jamboinglasgow
Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Gilberts Fridge said:

 

 

Do you have a source for that.

 

I would like to see a source for it too, as Celtic would be in trouble if that was seen to be happening. Considering we are in lockdown I dont think they would be too popular if they are carrying that out. Even the point about 1 piece of exercise a day has been clear that it is not meant to be in groups. 

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Dazo
2 minutes ago, Gilberts Fridge said:

 

 

Do you have a source for that.


Ron Gordon I’d imagine. 
 

He completely contradicts what the Celtic players have said. 

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RonnieG
1 minute ago, XB52 said:

Please go back to hibsnet

Why?  Do they entertain debate over there?

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busby1985
3 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


This is what will happen imo. Reckon it’s already been decided.

Seems the sensible thing to do.........that worries me. The SFA will probably award the league to Rangers, relegate us to the Vida league North 😂

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RonnieG
1 minute ago, Dazo said:


Ron Gordon I’d imagine. 
 

He completely contradicts what the Celtic players have said. 

BBC news report -    

Many of Celtic's foreign contingent - including Tom Rogic, Olivier Ntcham, Jozo Simnovic and Kristoffer Ajer - have returned to their native countries.

Lennon said the remainder of the squad are still coming to Lennoxtown to train out on the grass, but only in groups of two at a time at the facility with no coaches.

 

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Barack
2 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

I would like to see a source for it too, as Celtic would be in trouble if that was seen to be happening. Considering we are in lockdown I dont think they would be too popular if they are carrying that out. Even the point about 1 piece of exercise a day has been clear that it is not meant to be in groups. 

"Lennon said the remainder of the squad are still coming to Lennoxtown to train out on the grass, but only in groups of two at a time at the facility with no coaches."

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busby1985
2 minutes ago, RonnieG said:

BBC news report -    

Many of Celtic's foreign contingent - including Tom Rogic, Olivier Ntcham, Jozo Simnovic and Kristoffer Ajer - have returned to their native countries.

Lennon said the remainder of the squad are still coming to Lennoxtown to train out on the grass, but only in groups of two at a time at the facility with no coaches.

 

When was this quoted? 
 

We are in total government lock down and am sure Celtic won’t be actively encouraging players to train in any groups, even if it is only two. Every other club in Britain is in lock down. 

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Barack
Just now, busby1985 said:

When was this quoted? 
 

We are in total government lock down and am sure Celtic won’t be actively encouraging players to train in any groups, even if it is only two. Every other club in Britain is in lock down. 

One day ago.

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busby1985
Just now, Barack said:

One day ago.

Some boy our Lennon. 

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Barack
Just now, busby1985 said:

Some boy our Lennon. 

Any advantage...

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RonnieG
2 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

When was this quoted? 
 

We are in total government lock down and am sure Celtic won’t be actively encouraging players to train in any groups, even if it is only two. Every other club in Britain is in lock down. 

Other teams down south have players in using facilities too. 

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busby1985
1 minute ago, RonnieG said:

Other teams down south have players in using facilities too. 

That may be the case, and they can do so as they please, the government will dictate when we get back to football and I can’t see that being any time soon. I hope I am wrong on that tho as I don’t want to see any football club go bust over this, except maybe Rangers and your lot 😂😂😂 

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jamboinglasgow
10 minutes ago, Barack said:

"Lennon said the remainder of the squad are still coming to Lennoxtown to train out on the grass, but only in groups of two at a time at the facility with no coaches."

 

Ah, that makes more sense, the way RonnieG made it sound was bigger groups still do full physical training rather two players at a time. Still question Celtic doing this but definitely not an indicator that the teams are very soon going to be ready to play and football will be back.

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HoGwash
12 minutes ago, Barack said:

"Lennon said the remainder of the squad are still coming to Lennoxtown to train out on the grass, but only in groups of two at a time at the facility with no coaches."

Hmm. Government advice/instruction is that everyone should be taking their exercise locally, not travelling to do it. 

 

Media outrage? 

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Barack
Just now, HoGwash said:

Hmm. Government advice/instruction is that everyone should be taking their exercise locally, not travelling to do it. 

 

Media outrage? 

If the Celtic players live close by...? Doesn't say who's using it, or where they live, relative to Lennoxtown. 

 

I'm inclined not to be outraged here. Non-story in the grand-scheme of it all.

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Geoff Kilpatrick
19 minutes ago, Barack said:

Sweden's not in lockdown. Their Government have left it up to the individual, to decide if they want to stay home or not. And even that decision is starting to be questioned in Sweden by liberals.

 

As for testing kits and antibodies being ready by 2 months...even if they were, it'll be for frontline workers in the NHS, not so footballer's can get back to the day job. 

 

**** sake.

This.

 

Although I'm looking forward to my missus getting tested because I'm half convinced we both caught this shit in January on holiday in the States.

 

That's right, some of us did get a holiday this year. :verysmug:

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Nookie Bear
33 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

It 100% won’t be. They surely can’t be gambling on that. 
 

My take on things, they are trying to save face and avoid the backlash we have had, as are most clubs. With Budge acting as she has first, we now have probably two more moves to make:

1. 50% wage cut across the board (we’ve done this part)  

2. Cutting all non playing staff, critical staff. 
3. Total shut down of the playing side, article 12 (sorry if that’s the wrong term). 
 

Clubs like Hibs, and the others that have deferred could have a more tricky road but will ultimately end up at point 2 and 3 the same as us. By taking the high road so to be speak they have a bigger fall from grace than us. 
 

Football isn’t coming back for at least 6 months. That takes us to September/October. Teams will be much changed and players will need a pre season, that’ll be at least 4 weeks. That takes us into potentially November. That also doesn’t factor in or take into consideration the fact that most experts believe we will see another initial surge in the virus once we go back to “normal”.  I can’t imagine they’ll allow the transfer window to stay as is or even “open” at this point as we will just see rich clubs buy up all the best players from the clubs proper struggling, can’t see FIFA/UEFA allowing this to happen. For example, Celtic buy up Hickey, McKenna, Campbell etx etx for cut, cut prices. This period will end in clubs having to go basically into hibernation IMO. I think eventually next season will be cancelled if we continue to peruse the notion that this current season has to be played to a conclusion. The sensible solution for me would be to call the league as is, bring two sides up from each league and have more relegations the following season. Push back the start of next season and if needs be, pull both cups so that we can play league games in the weekend/weekdays assigned to them. 
 

Very scary times ahead. I will still be very shocked if we don’t lose clubs to this. 

 

You've nevet met UEFA/FIFA?

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busby1985
Just now, Nookie Bear said:

 

You've nevet met UEFA/FIFA?

Haha fair point. 

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Special Officer Doofy
11 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

When was this quoted? 
 

We are in total government lock down and am sure Celtic won’t be actively encouraging players to train in any groups, even if it is only two. Every other club in Britain is in lock down. 


Don’t think it’s in contravention tbh. The rules are that you can only leave the house for four reasons:

 

Essential shopping

Exercise once a day

Travel to work

Medical reasons

 

Travel to work only if you cannot work from home. I guess, that would be the argument. Whether or not they can train at home? 🤷‍♂️
 

The UK.gov advice doesn’t actually state that it’s only key workers who can go to work.

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Nookie Bear
Just now, busby1985 said:

Haha fair point. 

 

Although you made me think: now would be the perfect opportunity for Europe's major clubs to quit in DISGUST at losing their titles and form a nice little league amongst themselves.They have been desparate to do this for yuears so why not now?

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Barack
6 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

Ah, that makes more sense, the way RonnieG made it sound was bigger groups still do full physical training rather two players at a time. Still question Celtic doing this but definitely not an indicator that the teams are very soon going to be ready to play and football will be back.

Some of their squad has left to go back to their own countries. Who's to say when they'll be allowed to travel home. "No vaccine for about a year...aye, we'll be doing shuttle runs on the 17th of May. Come home."

 

People forgetting it's April the 1st today...

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Special Officer Doofy
22 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

Seems the sensible thing to do.........that worries me. The SFA will probably award the league to Rangers, relegate us to the Vida league North 😂


True! :lol:

 

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Sir Gio
3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

This.

 

Although I'm looking forward to my missus getting tested because I'm half convinced we both caught this shit in January on holiday in the States.

 

That's right, some of us did get a holiday this year. :verysmug:

Could be a crock of shit Geoff, I was in a call at work yesterday, health of divers is critical to our business continuity. Cut a long story short, they are getting tested, the tests somehow demonstrate whilst you have Covid19 it is that, but retrospectively they wont be able to tell what virus it was that you had, just that you had one.

 

I don't know to be honest, just passing on some info that came my way yesterday in a top secret call (overstating my part :) )

 

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Sir Gio
3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Although you made me think: now would be the perfect opportunity for Europe's major clubs to quit in DISGUST at losing their titles and form a nice little league amongst themselves.They have been desparate to do this for yuears so why not now?

You couldn't rule that out. A lot of stuff kicking about Linked In, restrategise, football might not be any different. Could be a good idea, even as a one off in desperate times. I nominate Celtic and Rangers as founder members

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wavydavy
6 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Although you made me think: now would be the perfect opportunity for Europe's major clubs to quit in DISGUST at losing their titles and form a nice little league amongst themselves.They have been desparate to do this for yuears so why not now?

 

Maybe that would leave some space in one of the Englsih Lower Leagues for Rangers and Celtic to move to and we could have a much fairer league up here where virtually anyone could win it.

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Geoff Kilpatrick
4 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Could be a crock of shit Geoff, I was in a call at work yesterday, health of divers is critical to our business continuity. Cut a long story short, they are getting tested, the tests somehow demonstrate whilst you have Covid19 it is that, but retrospectively they wont be able to tell what virus it was that you had, just that you had one.

 

I don't know to be honest, just passing on some info that came my way yesterday in a top secret call (overstating my part :) )

 

It could be, who knows. The thing might have mutated again by then in any case. Either way, the fact that you have antibodies will weaken any subsequent fecker that tries to do what it does.

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Sir Gio
1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

It could be, who knows. The thing might have mutated again by then in any case. Either way, the fact that you have antibodies will weaken any subsequent fecker that tries to do what it does.

Indeed, didn't realise until this happened, its the antibodies that actually make you feel ill, fighting the virus. Never was very interested in sciences, amazing how much real shit you can read, when football disappears! 

 

Stay safe 👍

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CalMac

Lennon said it on Monday night on 5 Live . It's on the monday night football podcast. Includes a nice wee question from Chris Sutton.

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HMFC01
Posted (edited)

I don't think they are training in twos and threes now, according to the sun.  I saw on Skysports last night Lennon saying they were training in pairs but that might've been old news.  Short quote. 

We were trying to get the players in to train at Lennoxtown in twos and threes.

“But we had to stop that as well under the guidelines from the government and the association.

 

Also seen Stendel getting interview from his home over internet.  Mentioned the club and the manager both have a clause in contract about relegation release.  Not just the managers side.

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Section Q
41 minutes ago, Barack said:

Sweden's not in lockdown. Their Government have left it up to the individual, to decide if they want to stay home or not. And even that decision is starting to be questioned in Sweden by liberals.

 

As for testing kits and antibodies being ready by 2 months...even if they were, it'll be for frontline workers in the NHS, not so footballer's can get back to the day job. 

 

**** sake.

A young friend of mine in Sydney felt unwell last week and went to one of the many testing clinics where he was promptly tested, and had results that proved negative by the next day. I'm not convinced the govt here is doing anything near enough on this.

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jonnothejambo
55 minutes ago, RonnieG said:

 

Celtic already have players in physical training.  Just in small groups and keeping sensible distance.  We wont see games for a while but other countries like Sweden are still doing friendlies.   Personaly i think most team will be back in full training within 2 months.  At that point testing kits will be easily available as will jabs with antibodies. 

 

You need a reality check. Absolute garbage. 

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jonnothejambo
47 minutes ago, Barack said:

Sweden's not in lockdown. Their Government have left it up to the individual, to decide if they want to stay home or not. And even that decision is starting to be questioned in Sweden by liberals.

 

As for testing kits and antibodies being ready by 2 months...even if they were, it'll be for frontline workers in the NHS, not so footballer's can get back to the day job. 

 

**** sake.

 

:spoton:

 

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East Lothian Jambo
2 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Harder to mash that in to a negative argument though. :( 

If you think the Hearts Academy is performing it probably illustrates the incredibly low standards you have 

 

Craig Levein fanboy 👍

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East Lothian Jambo
2 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

That doesn't mean only celtic developed him, he was a teenager who'd never even played a reserve game and was developed into a first team regular who appeared in a cup final.

I never suggested Celtic developed him in isolation. I said we didn't develop Hickey. Perhaps I should've qualified that as Mothy is desperate to be offended by ne all over Kickback on matters various. Hickey is a fine young player 

 

My point being that after 6 years and several million pounds later there need to be questions asked about what the Academy is producing. There needs to be a period of considerable reflection once this crisis is over to ascertain why Hearts were on the brink of relegation and how for example we haven't been able to produce a centre half,  an area we are desperately short, for almost 6 years 

 

I appreciate my views are unwelcome by some who simply cant countenance the reasons why we've under achieved so badly on so many key issues within the club

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Special Officer Doofy
1 minute ago, East Lothian Jambo said:

I never suggested Celtic developed him in isolation. I said we didn't develop Hickey. Perhaps I should've qualified that as Mothy is desperate to be offended by ne all over Kickback on matters various. Hickey is a fine young player 

 

My point being that after 6 years and several million pounds later there need to be questions asked about what the Academy is producing. There needs to be a period of considerable reflection once this crisis is over to ascertain why Hearts were on the brink of relegation and how for example we haven't been able to produce a centre half,  an area we are desperately short, for almost 6 years 

 

I appreciate my views are unwelcome by some who simply cant countenance the reasons why we've under achieved so badly on so many key issues within the club


Yes you should have clarified it, Spencer. What you said wasn’t true. You said Hearts never developed Hickey. They did. Don’t blame me for you talking pish, that’s on you. :thumbsup:

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Dusk_Till_Dawn
1 minute ago, East Lothian Jambo said:

I never suggested Celtic developed him in isolation. I said we didn't develop Hickey. Perhaps I should've qualified that as Mothy is desperate to be offended by ne all over Kickback on matters various. Hickey is a fine young player 

 

My point being that after 6 years and several million pounds later there need to be questions asked about what the Academy is producing. There needs to be a period of considerable reflection once this crisis is over to ascertain why Hearts were on the brink of relegation and how for example we haven't been able to produce a centre half,  an area we are desperately short, for almost 6 years 

 

I appreciate my views are unwelcome by some who simply cant countenance the reasons why we've under achieved so badly on so many key issues within the club


Academy development can be hard to judge. If, for example, Hearts pulled together a very good crop of 9/10 year olds six years ago, they’ll need a little longer to come through. It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that there is some potential in the academy (and I say that as someone with zero faith or confidence in Levein).

 

Does no-one on here have any connections to the academy or know people in it? If there were particularly good players or group in it, they’d surely be getting spoken about. You never hear or read anything in the media.

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John Findlay
1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Academy development can be hard to judge. If, for example, Hearts pulled together a very good crop of 9/10 year olds six years ago, they’ll need a little longer to come through. It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that there is some potential in the academy (and I say that as someone with zero faith or confidence in Levein).

 

Does no-one on here have any connections to the academy or know people in it? If there were particularly good players or group in it, they’d surely be getting spoken about. You never hear or read anything in the media.

We dont advertise as other clubs will pinch them. There are good players in the academy, trust me on that one.

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East Lothian Jambo
1 minute ago, Special Officer Doofy said:


Yes you should have clarified it, Spencer. What you said wasn’t true. You said Hearts never developed Hickey. They did. Don’t blame me for you talking pish, that’s on you. :thumbsup:

What's this Spencer stuff mate? 

 

Anyway, I'm intrigued.  What was the phone-in subject?  

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JamboAl
9 minutes ago, East Lothian Jambo said:

I never suggested Celtic developed him in isolation. I said we didn't develop Hickey. Perhaps I should've qualified that as Mothy is desperate to be offended by ne all over Kickback on matters various. Hickey is a fine young player 

 

My point being that after 6 years and several million pounds later there need to be questions asked about what the Academy is producing. There needs to be a period of considerable reflection once this crisis is over to ascertain why Hearts were on the brink of relegation and how for example we haven't been able to produce a centre half,  an area we are desperately short, for almost 6 years 

 

I appreciate my views are unwelcome by some who simply cant countenance the reasons why we've under achieved so badly on so many key issues within the club

But the thread is not about that.

Your views are welcome but in the right thread.  It would be helpful if you didn't pollute every thread with spiteful venom.

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East Lothian Jambo
Just now, John Findlay said:

We dont advertise as other clubs will pinch them. There are good players in the academy, trust me on that one.

There most likely are. If you are going to make a declaration that our club ethos is going to be seeking to unearth hidden gems and promotion of young players to ultimately sell after exposure to around 100+ games and after 6 years the reality is diametrically different, questions are going to be asked about what has gone on to be on brink of relegation and continual squad overhaul each year 

 

I appreciate the Academy was neglected very badly prior to Administration.  I would have thought period 2014 -2020 might have produced much more than we've seen to date 

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Smithee
3 minutes ago, East Lothian Jambo said:

I never suggested Celtic developed him in isolation. I said we didn't develop Hickey. Perhaps I should've qualified that as Mothy is desperate to be offended by ne all over Kickback on matters various. Hickey is a fine young player 

 

My point being that after 6 years and several million pounds later there need to be questions asked about what the Academy is producing. There needs to be a period of considerable reflection once this crisis is over to ascertain why Hearts were on the brink of relegation and how for example we haven't been able to produce a centre half,  an area we are desperately short, for almost 6 years 

 

I appreciate my views are unwelcome by some who simply cant countenance the reasons why we've under achieved so badly on so many key issues within the club

 

Hearts did develop Hickey, so did Celtic, so it was wrong to say Hearts didn't develop Hickey. He'll officially be developing until he's 23, another half decade away.

The snidey, confrontational shite does you no favours btw, learn to deal with opposing views ffs.

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East Lothian Jambo
Just now, JamboAl said:

But the thread is not about that.

Your views are welcome but in the right thread.  It would be helpful if you didn't pollute every thread with spiteful venom.

Many of these subjects are inextricably linked 

 

Spiteful venom? I thought I was merely stating what was abundantly obvious 

 

When a club spectacularly under achieves it's quite ok to call it out as such. Doesn't make you less of a fan if you call it with honesty dather than bury your head in the sand 

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Seymour M Hersh
3 hours ago, Barack said:

Sorry, Ronnie. God forbid I offend your Hibs player friend of the family.

 

Apologies.

 

**** Hibs and all associated with them. Never apologise for offending them unless you've not offended them enough.

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East Lothian Jambo
2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Hearts did develop Hickey, so did Celtic, so it was wrong to say Hearts didn't develop Hickey. He'll officially be developing until he's 23, another half decade away.

The snidey, confrontational shite does you no favours btw, learn to deal with opposing views ffs.

I'll sit back and watch how this is done 

 

There will be plentiful examples of this on here that I can learn from 

 

Cheers 

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Smithee
8 minutes ago, East Lothian Jambo said:

I'll sit back and watch how this is done 

 

There will be plentiful examples of this on here that I can learn from 

 

Cheers 

Never mind

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soonbe110
3 hours ago, RonnieG said:

Thats not what is says.  Lets not have 20 posts picking up the story wrong.   They will sign players once the squad is on full pay. The deferral will be paid back in May 2021.  They could be on full pay in a month if the government change the distancing rules.  Same goes for us, if we are back in training Id expect us on full pay. 

Yes, but the ethics of spending money on new employees when you still owe current employees lots of money is questionable at best. 

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JamboAl
1 minute ago, East Lothian Jambo said:

Many of these subjects are inextricably linked 

 

Spiteful venom? I thought I was merely stating what was abundantly obvious 

 

When a club spectacularly under achieves it's quite ok to call it out as such. Doesn't make you less of a fan if you call it with honesty dather than bury your head in the sand 

You have chosen to link them to pursue your tireless onslaught.

You're either thick as mince or you're at it?  Which is it?

I suppose there is another alternative.  Maybe you are familiar with a big green shed in a field on the outskirts of Ormiston which is in E. Lothian, hence your new username.

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