Wage cut for players and staff (Statement on 24/4)

[JamboAl]

3 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

It's a shame she maybe hadn't been as forceful and pre-emtive with Levein and McPhee.

C'mon Davy, you can do better than that.

COVID 19 and wage cuts are serious matters in their own right.  CL and AM have been well discussed elsewhere.

[wavydavy]

4 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

C'mon Davy, you can do better than that.

COVID 19 and wage cuts are serious matters in their own right.  CL and AM have been well discussed elsewhere.

 

Never suggested otherwise Al. I think AB is doing the right thing and if truth be known a number of these players that have been asked to take a 50% wage cut should probably only be on the reduced amount when we signed them anyway.

 

She has shown that she can take a hard line stance when it suits her so why so soft with the other two?

[Perth to Paisley]

Doesnt sound like its Daniel going through the squad going _Good Guy , Good Guy  W4nk.

 

Individual Players have the choice to accept the 50% or their contract is terminated (with legal approval of the league/SFA ... Clause 12)

 

It may be that only the Good Guys leave and we are left with the rest. 

 

It's not a selective cull.

[Nelly Terraces]

Far from banning the likes of the Sun or BBC, I'd actually like to see someone at Hearts offer guys like Boyd & McManus the 'opportunity' of a live discussion on this issue. Maybe do it on Facebook. Absolutely certain these deadheads would be shown up as the slavering clueless feckwits they are. They like to spout shite without really being challenged & it's time someone took them to task face to face (albeit virtually of course!). 

[Mikey1874]

10 hours ago, Last Laff said:

It has to be the way ahead.  It’s not just a gripe by a couple of columnists now it’s the sun, blatantly using the situation we find ourselves in to make up stories to coin in.  It’s quite sick if you look at the overall picture.   Some people’s only release (me included) from this current situation is club football and this is the kind of shit that could push folk over the edge.

 

At a time when the rest of the whole of the country seem to be coming together (apart from  that ***** Corbin, another matter) the media should be doing a duty of trying to remain positive instead of making up absolute shite. 

 

I think it's a lot the 'negatives sell papers/ clicks'. Sky were at it too.

 

We're not messing about in standing up for ourselves.

 

I don't think the media care about the players too. 

[JamboAl]

13 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Never suggested otherwise Al. I think AB is doing the right thing and if truth be known a number of these players that have been asked to take a 50% wage cut should probably only be on the reduced amount when we signed them anyway.

 

She has shown that she can take a hard line stance when it suits her so why so soft with the other two?

You are worse than the Sun - you never miss the slightest opportunity.  Her attitude re these two has been discussed on many threads, almost to the point of exhaustion.

[Fozzyonthefence]

14 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said:

Far from banning the likes of the Sun or BBC, I'd actually like to see someone at Hearts offer guys like Boyd & McManus the 'opportunity' of a live discussion on this issue. Maybe do it on Facebook. Absolutely certain these deadheads would be shown up as the slavering clueless feckwits they are. They like to spout shite without really being challenged & it's time someone took them to task face to face (albeit virtually of course!). 

It would be interesting to hear their reasoning for why footballers should be treated differently to other employees and why they should continue to receive 100% of their wages while not doing any work at all or contributing to society in a time of worldwide crisis (other than the taxes from their inflated salaries going back into the economy).  
 

And how they propose funding this during a period where their employers cannot trade and generally have no income.

Edited March 28 by Fozzyonthefence

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, Horatio Caine said:

BBC gossip portraying us as callous, cold uncaring towards our players.  Accept the 50% loss or bolt.  That's not how I read the statement.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52075209

 

Quoting the Daily Record 

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, DS98 said:

Is there a doomsday scenario where all 42 clubs go bust? The uglies might take a bit longer but we know their fans don’t help out in a crisis. All players are freed and all clubs re start in their previous leagues with £0 in the bank. 
 

(Not a serious post btw but an interesting scenario)

 

No football for 18 months. 

 

But like everyone else, some way will be found to carry on / restart. 

[Hungry hippo]

10 hours ago, Barack said:

"Hearts owner Ann Budge has written a letter to the club's players telling them their wages will be suspended from March 31 if they do not accept a 50 per cent wage cut."

 

Hearts have now come out and said no, we've not issued an ultimatum. Twice. 

 

"The club feels it is necessary to clarify, once again, that contrary to a report in the media, no ‘warning’ has been made to our players in regard to agreeing to wage cuts or Clause 12 being invoked.

A letter was sent to the squad, on the advice of the SPFL and its legal advisors, in order to protect the Club’s rights.  The covering email that accompanied the letter very clearly stated that:

We have not, at this time, decided to exercise this right and are working diligently to find an alternative solution to the unprecedented financial problems facing the Club as a consequence of the suspension of the game.  As previously intimated we plan to pay full salaries as normal until the end of March, 2020.  However, in doing so, we need to make it very clear that we do not waive our right to suspend Player agreements in the future, should we require to do so to safeguard the future of the Club."

 

"On the advice of the SPFL & its advisors." So, are we to honestly believe...the SPFL have only informed Hearts that this option is open solely to them?  Doncaster?!

 

The individual on Twitter, is indeed wise and Presidential. I'm with him.👍🏻

 

If a lawyer felt confident enough to take on a case on a no win no fee basis I'd be up for it. I'm not an expert but think it's unlikely we would have enough to win a libel case.

 

I'm very much on the side of the club on this but think this is probably not the best route to go down.

[Mikey1874]

The problem the media / pundits have is when this is agreed and players start talking about how well Hearts have dealt with this.

 

Their main problem is when Rangers or others do this. 

[S Form]

1 hour ago, Horatio Caine said:

BBC gossip portraying us as callous, cold uncaring towards our players.  Accept the 50% loss or bolt.  That's not how I read the statement.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52075209

I think Ann is wise to plan ahead but one of her major weaknesses has always been PR. It’s clear that there is no comms team at Tynie or if there is it’s doing a bloody awful job. For a start, Ann’s regular statements are usually far too long  and full of impersonal, bureaucratic language. In this case, there’s no feeling of ‘we’re all in this together’ or ‘sadly, we would have no choice but to take this action etc’. Part of the statement comes across as a threat, which in normal circumstances would be seen as cold. In the current climate it comes across as heartless. 

[wavydavy]

26 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

You are worse than the Sun - you never miss the slightest opportunity.  Her attitude re these two has been discussed on many threads, almost to the point of exhaustion.

 

So long as they are both still around our Club I will continue to ask why. Between them they have cost us an absolute fortune.

[TheBigO]

5 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

If a lawyer felt confident enough to take on a case on a no win no fee basis I'd be up for it. I'm not an expert but think it's unlikely we would have enough to win a libel case.

 

I'm very much on the side of the club on this but think this is probably not the best route to go down.

What would be nice would be if we had ONE person in the media on our side. Just one.

 

Or perhaps our local paper... or a former player...

 

The lack of balance and perspective in the commentary on our club is crazy.

 

We've been shite at playing football. We've wasted OUR OWN MONEY on players who've disappointed but our wage bill is no higher than Aberdeen. Why has that angered so many??

 

Essentially a run of bad injuries and worse tactics have opened the door for all the OF centric pundits, not allowed or too scared to criticise their real "enemy" to lay in to us on every issue. Thing is though, that doesn't make sense.

 

Ann is doing all she can to protect our club. I've no doubt on that. At a time when people all around us are losing their livelihoods (me included by the way), she is trying to medium term plan. The end. End of story. End of. Move on.

 

As for you repugnant idiots on here eating up the shit and regurgitating it. When we're back, when my Hearts are back and we're running over the top of teams again - cos football is cyclical and we'll be back, mark my words - you can stay in your bedsits, you'll soon be forgotten and if you rear your heads, you'll be reminded you stuck the boot in when our club needed to stand together.

 

Our club won't die. HHGH.

[Mikey1874]

6 minutes ago, S Form said:

I think Ann is wise to plan ahead but one of her major weaknesses has always been PR. It’s clear that there is no comms team at Tynie or if there is it’s doing a bloody awful job. For a start, Ann’s regular statements are usually far too long  and full of impersonal, bureaucratic language. In this case, there’s no feeling of ‘we’re all in this together’ or ‘sadly, we would have no choice but to take this action etc’. Part of the statement comes across as a threat, which in normal circumstances would be seen as cold. In the current climate it comes across as heartless. 

 

You do realise there is no income now. Might not be for 6 months.

 

If you think that's a threat maybe you're right. But its reality. 

[DETTY29]

6 minutes ago, S Form said:

I think Ann is wise to plan ahead but one of her major weaknesses has always been PR. It’s clear that there is no comms team at Tynie or if there is it’s doing a bloody awful job. For a start, Ann’s regular statements are usually far too long  and full of impersonal, bureaucratic language. In this case, there’s no feeling of ‘we’re all in this together’ or ‘sadly, we would have no choice but to take this action etc’. Part of the statement comes across as a threat, which in normal circumstances would be seen as cold. In the current climate it comes across as heartless. 

Yes but the whole world has been going about this crisis in a touchy, touchy, feely, feely way when direct action should have been taken earlier.

 

 

[wavydavy]

23 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

It would be interesting to hear their reasoning for why footballers should be treated differently to other employees and why they should continue to receive 100% of their wages while not doing any work at all or contributing to society in a time of worldwide crisis (other than the taxes from their inflated salaries going back into the economy).  
 

And how they propose funding this during a period where their employers cannot trade and generally have no income.

 

They actually don't have a reasonable arguement to be treated any differently to any other employee especially under the current epidemic scenario.

 

These are special times that call for a common sense approach which I think AB has done.

 

Nobody wants to lose out on their salary and foorballers generally have a short working life making decent money and feel they have to make the most of the relatively short careers they have.

 

The question they have to ask themselves is do we hold out for full pay and possibly help bankrupt the club in which case we get nothing or do we take the hit now and give the club a lifeline?

 

It's a no brainer for most but then it really has to be asked do some of these players have a brain or are they being influenced by their greedy agents?

[buzzbomb]

5 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

What would be nice would be if we had ONE person in the media on our side. Just one.

 

Or perhaps our local paper... or a former player...

 

The lack of balance and perspective in the commentary on our club is crazy.

 

We've been shite at playing football. We've wasted OUR OWN MONEY on players who've disappointed but our wage bill is no higher than Aberdeen. Why has that angered so many??

 

Essentially a run of bad injuries and worse tactics have opened the door for all the OF centric pundits, not allowed or too scared to criticise their real "enemy" to lay in to us on every issue. Thing is though, that doesn't make sense.

 

Ann is doing all she can to protect our club. I've no doubt on that. At a time when people all around us are losing their livelihoods (me included by the way), she is trying to medium term plan. The end. End of story. End of. Move on.

 

As for you repugnant idiots on here eating up the shit and regurgitating it. When we're back, when my Hearts are back and we're running over the top of teams again - cos football is cyclical and we'll be back, mark my words - you can stay in your bedsits, you'll soon be forgotten and if you rear your heads, you'll be reminded you stuck the boot in when our club needed to stand together.

 

Our club won't die. HHGH.

👏👏👏

[S Form]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

You do realise there is no income now. Might not be for 6 months.

 

If you think that's a threat maybe you're right. But its reality. 

There can still be some regret expressed that we’ve reached this stage. I completely recognise that there is no money coming in, but we are talking about people being sacked. Even if they are shite footballers, the club could approach things in a more sensitive way and stop reverting to cold bureaucracy.

[EIEIO]

48 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said:

Far from banning the likes of the Sun or BBC, I'd actually like to see someone at Hearts offer guys like Boyd & McManus the 'opportunity' of a live discussion on this issue. Maybe do it on Facebook. Absolutely certain these deadheads would be shown up as the slavering clueless feckwits they are. They like to spout shite without really being challenged & it's time someone took them to task face to face (albeit virtually of course!). 

These *******s would probably want a fee to take part. So not if we are paying it good idea though maybe if Saturday Sportsound is still a thing they have 3 or 4 hours air space to fill.

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, S Form said:

There can still be some regret expressed that we’ve reached this stage. I completely recognise that there is no money coming in, but we are talking about people being sacked. Even if they are shite footballers, the club could approach things in a more sensitive way and stop reverting to cold bureaucracy.

 

Plenty regret in what Ann Budge has said.

 

I do come across that. If you are direct some people don't like it. 

 

Boris Johnson has taken the kindly approach  for UK response.  See how that is held in history. 

[busby1985]

We get this reaction cause we keep the media out the loop and deal directly with our fans. The media doesn’t like it. They get barely anything directly from us other than their weekly press briefing. We are shut off to them and they can’t handle it which is why they react the way they do. Plus, as someone has all ready said, there is no news just now, no football so need for pundits. They have to remain relative. 

[Bungle]

17 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

What would be nice would be if we had ONE person in the media on our side. Just one.

 

Or perhaps our local paper... or a former player...

 

The lack of balance and perspective in the commentary on our club is crazy.

 

We've been shite at playing football. We've wasted OUR OWN MONEY on players who've disappointed but our wage bill is no higher than Aberdeen. Why has that angered so many??

 

Essentially a run of bad injuries and worse tactics have opened the door for all the OF centric pundits, not allowed or too scared to criticise their real "enemy" to lay in to us on every issue. Thing is though, that doesn't make sense.

 

Ann is doing all she can to protect our club. I've no doubt on that. At a time when people all around us are losing their livelihoods (me included by the way), she is trying to medium term plan. The end. End of story. End of. Move on.

 

As for you repugnant idiots on here eating up the shit and regurgitating it. When we're back, when my Hearts are back and we're running over the top of teams again - cos football is cyclical and we'll be back, mark my words - you can stay in your bedsits, you'll soon be forgotten and if you rear your heads, you'll be reminded you stuck the boot in when our club needed to stand together.

 

Our club won't die. HHGH.

This in spades mate, well said. 

 

 

[Special Officer Doofy]

2 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

It was him. I believe @nott1874, and his source on this one is impeccable. 

Actually, edit that: @Notts1874. Tagged the wrong bloke.

[Special Officer Doofy]

59 minutes ago, TheBigO said:

What would be nice would be if we had ONE person in the media on our side. Just one.

 

Or perhaps our local paper... or a former player...

 

The lack of balance and perspective in the commentary on our club is crazy.

 

We've been shite at playing football. We've wasted OUR OWN MONEY on players who've disappointed but our wage bill is no higher than Aberdeen. Why has that angered so many??

 

Essentially a run of bad injuries and worse tactics have opened the door for all the OF centric pundits, not allowed or too scared to criticise their real "enemy" to lay in to us on every issue. Thing is though, that doesn't make sense.

 

Ann is doing all she can to protect our club. I've no doubt on that. At a time when people all around us are losing their livelihoods (me included by the way), she is trying to medium term plan. The end. End of story. End of. Move on.

 

As for you repugnant idiots on here eating up the shit and regurgitating it. When we're back, when my Hearts are back and we're running over the top of teams again - cos football is cyclical and we'll be back, mark my words - you can stay in your bedsits, you'll soon be forgotten and if you rear your heads, you'll be reminded you stuck the boot in when our club needed to stand together.

 

Our club won't die. HHGH.

Wonderful post. Very VERY well said. ❤️

[JamboAl]

52 minutes ago, S Form said:

There can still be some regret expressed that we’ve reached this stage. I completely recognise that there is no money coming in, but we are talking about people being sacked. Even if they are shite footballers, the club could approach things in a more sensitive way and stop reverting to cold bureaucracy.

If no money coming in continues to be the norm what is the alternative?

Before you answer can I ask you to read and digest AB's last 2 statements on the HMFC website.

Now tell us how to square the circle.

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, wavydavy said:

 

So long as they are both still around our Club I will continue to ask why. Between them they have cost us an absolute fortune.

Even it means polluting and spoiling every thread?

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, Nelly Terraces said:

Far from banning the likes of the Sun or BBC, I'd actually like to see someone at Hearts offer guys like Boyd & McManus the 'opportunity' of a live discussion on this issue. Maybe do it on Facebook. Absolutely certain these deadheads would be shown up as the slavering clueless feckwits they are. They like to spout shite without really being challenged & it's time someone took them to task face to face (albeit virtually of course!). 

Im actually salivating at the thought ...😎

[MaskedMarauder]

Who is it that Preston represents at our club? I thought it was just a handful of young laddies that he was involved with. Does he have a senior first team player to represent? @Notts1874 @Barack

[Nicholas Brody]

On 18/03/2020 at 18:17, Nobreath said:

First of many clubs I would imagine. Better sooner than later.

 

 

 

On 18/03/2020 at 18:18, CloustonHMFC said:

Make no mistake, other clubs will follow suit, we’re just ahead of the curve. 

 

On 18/03/2020 at 18:19, Gashauskis9 said:

Other clubs will hit the wall before we do.  I’d rather we went down this route than raiding FOH to be honest.

 

On 18/03/2020 at 18:19, 1971fozzy said:

That statement is one a few clubs will no doubt follow with likewise.

huge problems ahead.

we need to divert FOH subs ASAP.

 

 

On 18/03/2020 at 18:19, Barack said:

Other clubs will be in the shit, yes.

 

However, shit that this has happened. Again.

 

On 18/03/2020 at 18:22, JamboCampbell said:

Some folk on here are absolute tools.

Blaming Budge for Coronavirus is a new low! 
 

People do realise that half the Scottish clubs WILL go bust through this.

 

Still just us, yeah?

 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Lockie on Off the Ball at the moment.

[GorgieRules22]

Anthony Macdonald is represented by Alan Preston isn’t he ?

[Le Chat]

2 hours ago, TheBigO said:

 

 

As for you repugnant idiots on here eating up the shit and regurgitating it. When we're back, when my Hearts are back and we're running over the top of teams again - cos football is cyclical and we'll be back, mark my words - you can stay in your bedsits, you'll soon be forgotten and if you rear your heads, you'll be reminded you stuck the boot in when our club needed to stand together.

 

Our club won't die. HHGH.

 

Edited March 28 by Le Chat

[Archie White]

AB has been good for the club and she has been bad for the club but in this instance she is spot on. Some of these players have a bloody cheek in trying to defy this wage cut. I would wager it is the mercenaries with no long term interest in the club and just here for the ride and the inflated wages and contracts some of them are on. We know who you are.  Budge does not have my support on many  things she's done recently but good for you here. If players won't accept this then get them out of our club. They will be no loss. There will be many club owners watching these developments with interest ready to follow her lead if she is successful. As for the players union they should be ashamed of themselves. Does Fraser Wishart not realise that the  fewer clubs in existence then the fewer opportunities for his members. Go get them Ann.

[Mikey1874]

16 minutes ago, Archie White said:

AB has been good for the club and she has been bad for the club but in this instance she is spot on. Some of these players have a bloody cheek in trying to defy this wage cut. I would wager it is the mercenaries with no long term interest in the club and just here for the ride and the inflated wages and contracts some of them are on. We know who you are.  Budge does not have my support on many  things she's done recently but good for you here. If players won't accept this then get them out of our club. They will be no loss. There will be many club owners watching these developments with interest ready to follow her lead if she is successful. As for the players union they should be ashamed of themselves. Does Fraser Wishart not realise that the  fewer clubs in existence then the fewer opportunities for his members. Go get them Ann.

 

But Ann has said the players have been great and a few are considering things. 

[Notts1874]

1 hour ago, MaskedMarauder said:

Who is it that Preston represents at our club? I thought it was just a handful of young laddies that he was involved with. Does he have a senior first team player to represent? @Notts1874 @Barack

Young players. Can't find anything online. Been told one name but I'm not putting it on here as I can't verify it.

[Mikey1874]

Sounds like we are not on the agenda for discussion on Sportsound today. 

 

Probably mention us but they are speaking to Lawrence Shankland and a League Two chairman.

 

Michael Stewart is on though. 

 

Edit - they are starting to talk about it now starting with Rangers and board room changes.

Edited March 28 by Mikey1874

[wavydavy]

1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

Even it means polluting and spoiling every thread?

 

Bit of an exaggeration I think. Just have a read at the threads Al and see how many people agree with me on this and how many there are that back you.

[wavydavy]

1 hour ago, MaskedMarauder said:

Who is it that Preston represents at our club? I thought it was just a handful of young laddies that he was involved with. Does he have a senior first team player to represent? @Notts1874 @Barack

 

 

He works for Stellar Group.

 

Allan Preston is a former professional footballer who played for Dundee United Hearts and St Johnstone. After retiring and achieving his UEFA A license he became assistant manager at Macclesfield and manager in Scotland’s Premier League with Livingston FC. Based in Scotland, Allan has worked for the Stellar Group since 2004, where his role is to scout, identify and recruit players for the company.

[wavydavy]

18 minutes ago, Notts1874 said:

Young players. Can't find anything online. Been told one name but I'm not putting it on here as I can't verify it.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stellar-football-ltd/beraterfirma/berater/190

[Mikey1874]

Hearts being discussed on Sportsound now.

[Mikey1874]

Brian McLaughlin explained the Government scheme. 

[Dazo]

3 hours ago, TheBigO said:

What would be nice would be if we had ONE person in the media on our side. Just one.

 

Or perhaps our local paper... or a former player...

 

The lack of balance and perspective in the commentary on our club is crazy.

 

We've been shite at playing football. We've wasted OUR OWN MONEY on players who've disappointed but our wage bill is no higher than Aberdeen. Why has that angered so many??

 

Essentially a run of bad injuries and worse tactics have opened the door for all the OF centric pundits, not allowed or too scared to criticise their real "enemy" to lay in to us on every issue. Thing is though, that doesn't make sense.

 

Ann is doing all she can to protect our club. I've no doubt on that. At a time when people all around us are losing their livelihoods (me included by the way), she is trying to medium term plan. The end. End of story. End of. Move on.

 

As for you repugnant idiots on here eating up the shit and regurgitating it. When we're back, when my Hearts are back and we're running over the top of teams again - cos football is cyclical and we'll be back, mark my words - you can stay in your bedsits, you'll soon be forgotten and if you rear your heads, you'll be reminded you stuck the boot in when our club needed to stand together.

 

Our club won't die. HHGH.

Brilliantly put. 👏👏👏

[Horatio Caine]

Sportsound discussing us now (again)

[Mikey1874]

Brian McLaughlin going through the situation at Hearts - recap of what we know. 

 

Hearts have issued the Government scheme application to players as have other clubs from yesterday.

 

Explained the SPFL clause. Brian says other clubs have confirmed they will also use the SPFL clause though not yet. 

Edited March 28 by Mikey1874

[Mikey1874]

Brian McLaughlin pointing out the situation is dire and other clubs looking at cuts.

 

Ann Budge has said she may come on Sportsound. 

[Mikey1874]

Opinions on Hearts now.

 

Tom English supportive. Pointing out Hearts were first to get the Spfl clause confirmed.

Edited March 28 by Mikey1874

[Mikey1874]

Michael Stewart tried to come in but on to Cowdenbeath chairman. 

 

Says Fraser Wishart comments unhelpful saying players should get 100%. Says they should work together. 

 

In dialogue with players. Still looking at the numbers. Have made latest payment in full but April/ May are the problem. Stopping the season as is would help. To get final payments. Okay with not getting Play Off (4th). Season should not be voided. 

Edited March 28 by Mikey1874

[Italian Lambretta]

5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Michael Stewart tried to come in but on to Cowdenbeath chairman. 

 

Says Fraser Wishart comments unhelpful saying players should get 100%. 

That cretin is itching to criticise the club and Tom English

[Fozzyonthefence]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Michael Stewart tried to come in but on to Cowdenbeath chairman. 

 

Says Fraser Wishart comments unhelpful saying players should get 100%. Says they should work together. 

 

In dialogue with players. Still looking at the numbers. Have made latest payment in full but April/ May are the problem. Stopping the season as is would help. To get final payments. Okay with not getting Play Off (4th). 

Glad someone is taking aim at Fraser Wishart.  He’s really helping no one, including the players, with the shite he’s coming out with.