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19 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


So surely it would be in Westminster’s / England’s best interests financially to get rid of the Scottish financial burden. 
 

Seems a bit strange not to allow another referendum given we’re draining the coffers of a Westminster government that’s had an austerity policy for over a decade ‘out of necessity to balance the books’?

 

Or, you’re talking pish. 

The figures are out in the public domain...so, you're wrong. My facts are correct. 

Regarding the "why don't they cut us loose" argument that is trotted out periodically, the Tory govt, certainly more than the cabal on the left, value the UK, the institution,  the great achievements we have had, the shared sovereignty,  the social, economic, familial and language ties. The taxes raised in London fund most of the country but that doesn't mean they want to go it alone,. 

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4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

The figures are out in the public domain...so, you're wrong. My facts are correct. 

Regarding the "why don't they cut us loose" argument that is trotted out periodically, the Tory govt, certainly more than the cabal on the left, value the UK, the institution,  the great achievements we have had, the shared sovereignty,  the social, economic, familial and language ties. The taxes raised in London fund most of the country but that doesn't mean they want to go it alone,. 


How can I be wrong when I didn’t dispute any of your figures?

 

As for the rest of it, aye right. England wants to keep Scotland because they like being part of a loss-making partnership. 
 

You’d have to be buttoned up the back to believe that, which to be fair, it sounds like you are. 

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3 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


How can I be wrong when I didn’t dispute any of your figures?

 

As for the rest of it, aye right. England wants to keep Scotland because they like being part of a loss-making partnership. 
 

You’d have to be buttoned up the back to believe that, which to be fair, it sounds like you are. 

Well why is Edinburgh  burdened with Dundee? Should we go it alone too? Or South Edinburgh with North? Come to think of it, I pay more tax than my next door neighbour, maybe I should go for independence??

Why is the EU burdened with the poorer countries that are subsidised by the Uk, Germany and France? Would they not be better off by getting rid of them?

 

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3 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well why is Edinburgh  burdened with Dundee? Should we go it alone too? Or South Edinburgh with North? Come to think of it, I pay more tax than my next door neighbour, maybe I should go for independence??

Why is the EU burdened with the poorer countries that are subsidised by the Uk, Germany and France? Would they not be better off by getting rid of them?

 


So you now think that Germany and France want to keep Romania Greece etc. because of what they’ve achieved together, language and familial ties? 

 

You’re not making much sense to be honest. 
 

I’ll ignore the independence for Dundee aspect. 

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3 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


So you now think that Germany and France want to keep Romania Greece etc. because of what they’ve achieved together, language and familial ties? 

 

You’re not making much sense to be honest
 

I’ll ignore the independence for Dundee aspect. 

Enzo's the one talking sense. He like the majority of Scots want to stay part of the UK. You on the other hand wish to put at severe risk our economy and isolate us up here in Scotland as a hard left outcast state that the rest of our island neighbours would view with deserved suspicion and acrimony. 

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1 minute ago, BarneyBattles said:


So you now think that Germany and France want to keep Romania Greece etc. because of what they’ve achieved together, language and familial ties? 

 

You’re not making much sense to be honest. 
 

I’ll ignore the independence for Dundee aspect. 

So the EU want rid of the poorer countries? Is that what you're saying? Haven't heard any reports to that effect tbh but you maybe know better. I think there is more to it than who contributes what. It's all about pooling and sharing.

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Just now, JustinT said:

Enzo's the one talking sense. He like the majority of Scots want to stay part of the UK. You on the other hand wish to put at severe risk our economy and isolate us up here in Scotland as a hard left outcast state that the rest of our island neighbours would view with deserved suspicion and acrimony. 

Well said Justin. All the competing left wing factions would tear the country apart. Tommy Sheridan, Patrick Harvie and Nicola Sturgeon....imagine being governed by any of that shower of rogues. 

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6 minutes ago, JustinT said:

Enzo's the one talking sense. He like the majority of Scots want to stay part of the UK. You on the other hand wish to put at severe risk our economy and isolate us up here in Scotland as a hard left outcast state that the rest of our island neighbours would view with deserved suspicion and acrimony. 


I was going to respond in words but seriously this will do 😂

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1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well said Justin. All the competing left wing factions would tear the country apart. Tommy Sheridan, Patrick Harvie and Nicola Sturgeon....imagine being governed by any of that shower of rogues. 

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20 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well said Justin. All the competing left wing factions would tear the country apart. Tommy Sheridan, Patrick Harvie and Nicola Sturgeon....imagine being governed by any of that shower of rogues. 

Exactly Enzo. 

 

They'd be dictators ruling over an isolated northern entity no longer part of the UK, a pariah nation cut off from its neighbours. Much like North Korea is to its Southern counterparts. The Snp and its supporters couldn't care less though and never engage in debate as to what it would be like post separation as they know fine well it would be carnage. Its like the blind leading the blind, they're beyond help.

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31 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

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There are some absolute weirdos on here BB. I feel your anguish at some of the stuff. You'd think Scotland would require Bob Gelfof to drum up support if we became self governing!

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4 hours ago, Cade said:

SNP and EU are both finished!

The Good Ship Brittania, under the enlightened direction of the Glorious Conservative Party shall rebuild it's Empire and lead the world into a brave new dawn!

 

:olly:

Doesnt have to be the tories.

 

It's a good thing Scottish self government.

It's a good thing for any country to take control and be accountable.

If austerity suits their particular economics that's good.

But if it doesnt theres not much they can do as part of the EU.

It cant happen.

What other levers does a country as part of the EU have?

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

There are some absolute weirdos on here BB. I feel your anguish at some of the stuff. You'd think Scotland would require Bob Gelfof to drum up support if we became self governing!

Calling people 'weirdo's' is in itself a very weird thing to do. Its what the snp are all about though. Its the surefire sign of dictatorship by those who cannot win an argument by way of reason and democratic free thinking.. Its all about acquiring separation no matter what for you isn't it?

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1 hour ago, JustinT said:

Exactly Enzo. 

 

They'd be dictators ruling over an isolated northern entity no longer part of the UK, a pariah nation cut off from its neighbours. Much like North Korea is to its Southern counterparts. The Snp and its supporters couldn't care less though and never engage in debate as to what it would be like post separation as they know fine well it would be carnage. Its like the blind leading the blind, they're beyond help.

Eh naw.

There is fundamentally a psyche that's Scottish and entrepreneurial.

It can never fulfill its potential as part of the UK.

I do concede that what we have at the moment are very real powers to reflect our national politic .

But imo we need full responsibility.

Where I think I'd disagree with other indy supporters is the way Scotland should manage post indy.

 

That's shite btw the Korean stuff.

Very different history and the blind leading the blind ?

What a fekin cheek .

Scotland has far punched way above its weight in every sector you can mention.

(Even football).

 

Mention any fundamental part of civil governance.

Financial social democray and our influence as a nation is there both good and dark.

I am no flag waver in fact I hate that shite.

But I do believe that we are a country that has characteristics that are worth expressing .

The fall of the SNP even if true does not end the goal of independence.

 

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3 minutes ago, JustinT said:

Calling people 'weirdo's' is a very weird thing to do. Its what the snp do though. Its the surefire sign of dictatorship by those who cannot win an argument by reason. Its all about getting separation no matter what for you isn't it?

Both sides are at the name calling.

 

Take a look at the brexit thread.

 

 

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1 minute ago, jake said:

Eh naw.

There is fundamentally a psyche that's Scottish and entrepreneurial.

It can never fulfill its potential as part of the UK.

I do concede that what we have at the moment are very real powers to reflect our national politic .

But imo we need full responsibility.

Where I think I'd disagree with other indy supporters is the way Scotland should manage post indy.

 

That's shite btw the Korean stuff.

Very different history and the blind leading the blind ?

What a fekin cheek .

Scotland has far punched way above its weight in every sector you can mention.

(Even football).

 

Mention any fundamental part of civil governance.

Financial social democray and our influence as a nation is there both good and dark.

I am no flag waver in fact I hate that shite.

But I do believe that we are a country that has characteristics that are worth expressing .

The fall of the SNP even if true does not end the goal of independence.

 

The blind leading the blind.

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Just now, jake said:

Both sides are at the name calling.

 

Take a look at the brexit thread.

 

 

Both sides are only at the name calling because of separatists causing high anxiety and division.

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1 hour ago, JustinT said:

Exactly Enzo. 

 

They'd be dictators ruling over an isolated northern entity no longer part of the UK, a pariah nation cut off from its neighbours. Much like North Korea is to its Southern counterparts. The Snp and its supporters couldn't care less though and never engage in debate as to what it would be like post separation as they know fine well it would be carnage. Its like the blind leading the blind, they're beyond help.

Dictators? Pariah Nation? North Korea? :rofl:

 

Dearie me. That has to go down as one of the most embarrassing posts I've read from any Uncle Tam.

 

1132022668_BacktaetheFuture.jpg.gallery.jpg.e2711a71b5b0822fd2623a4d8dd75122.jpgUp there with this spongoloid.....

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Just now, Cruyff said:

Dictators? Pariah Nation? North Korea? :rofl:

 

Dearie me. That has to go down as one of the most embarrassing posts I've read from any Uncle Tam.

 

1132022668_BacktaetheFuture.jpg.gallery.jpg.e2711a71b5b0822fd2623a4d8dd75122.jpgUp there with this spongoloid.....

It’s him :lol:

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1 minute ago, JustinT said:

Both sides are only at the name calling because of separatists causing high anxiety and division.

 

3 minutes ago, JustinT said:

The blind leading the blind.

Do you know anything about Scottish history.?

Not being wide btw.

And not the so called kings shit or warriors.

 

Our history with banking?

Our history in shaping politics?

Our rich culture that is stifled  by lack of national confidence?

 

What are you scared of ?

 

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3 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Dictators? Pariah Nation? North Korea? :rofl:

 

Dearie me. That has to go down as one of the most embarrassing posts I've read from any Uncle Tam.

 

1132022668_BacktaetheFuture.jpg.gallery.jpg.e2711a71b5b0822fd2623a4d8dd75122.jpgUp there with this spongoloid.....

You are the equivalent of him .

Uncle Tam ffs ?

And the obsession with robinson is embarrassing .

 

Dont be a side of the same coin

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7 hours ago, OTT said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/02/donald-tusk-eu-would-be-enthusiastic-if-scotland-applied-to-rejoin

 

'Tusk: EU would be enthusiastic if Scotland applied to rejoin'.

 

Its absolutely ridiculous to try and argue otherwise whilst prominent EU officials are stopping short of saying its a certainty. This is as good an answer you are ever going to get around such circumstances. 

 

If we get independence and apply for EU membership we will get it. Ludicrous fear-mongering to suggest otherwise. 

Utter bollocks quote which backs up what I said about the EU using Scotland as a pawn in Brexit negotiations.

 

Sturgeon needs to stock up on the bricks and mortar for the border wall needing built at Berwick.

 

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1 minute ago, frankblack said:

Utter bollocks quote which backs up what I said about the EU using Scotland as a pawn in Brexit negotiations.

 

Sturgeon needs to stock up on the bricks and mortar for the border wall needing built at Berwick.

 

Here he is. Know it all :lol: 

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6 minutes ago, jake said:

You are the equivalent of him .

Uncle Tam ffs ?

And the obsession with robinson is embarrassing .

 

Dont be a side of the same coin

If the cap fits. That's no Robinson. 

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1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

There are some absolute weirdos on here BB. I feel your anguish at some of the stuff. You'd think Scotland would require Bob Gelfof to drum up support if we became self governing!


This thread is the equivalent of being in Tesco and the guy in front of you at the checkout has a Daily Mail. My heart sinks. 
 

There’s no point in even trying. They’re a lost cause. 

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4 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well Derek Mackay - without ever learning about the Laffer Curve - is finished. And Alex Salmond will shortly will be tried in the High Court. Nicola Sturgeon's future is in doubt too so, I'm quite glad the true seat of power lies in Westminster tbh.

Sturgeon although she is doing my heid in regarding brexit is by far the UKs most competent politician.

Why  are you glad power is in westminster?

 

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1 minute ago, jake said:

 

Why  are you glad power is in westminster?

 


Makes them feel safe. They’re too scared to think that the country that invented anything worth inventing could possibly look after its own affairs.

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3 minutes ago, jake said:

Sturgeon although she is doing my heid in regarding brexit is by far the UKs most competent politician.

Why  are you glad power is in westminster?

 

Self hate is the only answer I have for that mindset. 
They think that the SNP will be in charge for eternity too they’re that stupid. 

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Factual observation - the Snp separatists rely upon derogatory insults against any opinion that doesn't agree with them. They don't engage in post separation debate because they're lite on facts and heavy on insult and mind control technique. 

 

A faschist regime.

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1 minute ago, Zlatanable said:

Ivan Drago loses that fight, and the crowd, brain-washed supporters of the party, turn against him. 

Like it man :lol: 

Rocky is the SNP. 

Against all odds. 
 

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Factual observation. You cannae spell, and you talk utter shit. 
 

Edit. This is for Jammy tit. 

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37 minutes ago, frankblack said:

Utter bollocks quote which backs up what I said about the EU using Scotland as a pawn in Brexit negotiations.

 

Sturgeon needs to stock up on the bricks and mortar for the border wall needing built at Berwick.

 

Scotland would easily join if independent.

I'd argue against it but there would be no problem.

I do get what you say about Scotland being played by the EU.

They are feeling punitive towards England but we are no pawn.

The independence debate isnt or wasnt fashioned by the EU.

They'd invite us no problem .

Currency question sorted btw.

Still not for me .

The EU are tory international.

 

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4 minutes ago, JustinT said:

Factual observation - the Snp separatists rely upon derogatory insults against any opinion that doesn't agree with them. They don't engage in post separation debate because they're lite on facts and heavy on insult and mind control technique. 

 

A faschist regime.

Mate. **** off. 

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Just now, BarneyBattles said:

Factual observation. You cannae spell, and you talk utter shit. 

As I said,. separatists are very heavy on derogatory abuse and lite on post separation facts. A faschist regime.

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1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

Mate. **** off. 

Well make an argument for post separation then? Is it because you've no idea what will happen or frightened that we British will rip it apart?

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Just now, JustinT said:

Well make an argument for post separation then? Is it because you've no idea what will happen or frightened that we British will rip it apart?

You make no argument. I’ll talk to anyone about this. I have friends and family who disagree with me and that’s all good, I appreciate their view. I’m up for debate man. 

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3 minutes ago, JustinT said:

Factual observation - the Snp separatists rely upon derogatory insults against any opinion that doesn't agree with them. They don't engage in post separation debate because they're lite on facts and heavy on insult and mind control technique. 

 

A faschist regime.

All you are doing is trading insults.

 

Why do you think Scotland cannot prosper independently?

Why cant we represent ourselves at a world level.

We have done a pretty good job so far despite history.

I'm not into the anti english shite but you have to recognise that England has the outlook of empire ingrained in its institutions and will always be a dominant power.

Scotlands best chance for expression is independence.

I think we have a lot to offer going by our historical contribution.

 

I dont want to be insulting but it's pure shitebag stuff .

But then I think that about remainers so maybe not my best argument

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2 minutes ago, JustinT said:

As I said,. separatists are very heavy on derogatory abuse and lite on post separation facts. A faschist regime.


You still can’t spell and talk utter shit. 
 

Please go and bore someone else with your nonsense. 

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Just now, jake said:

All you are doing is trading insults.

 

Why do you think Scotland cannot prosper independently?

Why cant we represent ourselves at a world level.

We have done a pretty good job so far despite history.

I'm not into the anti english shite but you have to recognise that England has the outlook of empire ingrained in its institutions and will always be a dominant power.

Scotlands best chance for expression is independence.

I think we have a lot to offer going by our historical contribution.

 

I dont want to be insulting but it's pure shitebag stuff .

But then I think that about remainers so maybe not my best argument

You are the very reason why I think we must refrain from the blind leading the blind. 

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4 minutes ago, JustinT said:

Well make an argument for post separation then? Is it because you've no idea what will happen or frightened that we British will rip it apart?

I can make different arguments for independence .

Loads.

Care to choose a subject.

Any?

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2 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:


You still can’t spell and talk utter shit. 
 

Please go and bore someone else with your nonsense. 

You should be making a case for totalitarian snp nationalism but you can't and instead attack anyone that opposes your nonsense. 

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