The rise and fall of The SNP.

[steve123]

She is not sounding very convincing now.

[jamboy1982]

1 minute ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I couldn’t agree less with your interpretation of what she has done but we are both biased so that’s not surprising.

 

What you have done and what has been evident all over social media by other nationalists is lump her in with Patel, Johnson etc.  That’s disastrous for her. 

I’m by no means lumping her in with those 3 crooks. The comparison i am making is of the distorted media coverage. The British media would have you believe that she has committed a cardinal sin of which she much resign over. This isn’t actually the case. 
 

It appears as though the tories, unionist and their friends in the media are desperate to get rid of her out of fear. The initial media commentators were saying this committee would spell the end for her. They’ve changed their tune a bit today. Now it’s the independent investigation that will end her and that this committee isn’t a big deal and more about procedures. It’s desperation on the part of unionists. It’s quite sad really. 

[jack D and coke]

17 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

Please list the lies and the evidence to support your claims. 

I’d imagine his answer will be another question. Press him further and you’ll get some Scottish cringe type reply aboot shortbread/tartan/tinpot or something. 

[Don DaniEL]

BBC Scotland been got at! Picture of the inquiry down to some old film of The Duke of Edinburgh.

[Brighton Jambo]

5 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

I’m by no means lumping her in with those 3 crooks. The comparison i am making is of the distorted media coverage. The British media would have you believe that she has committed a cardinal sin of which she much resign over. This isn’t actually the case. 
 

It appears as though the tories, unionist and their friends in the media are desperate to get rid of her out of fear. The initial media commentators were saying this committee would spell the end for her. They’ve changed their tune a bit today. Now it’s the independent investigation that will end her and that this committee isn’t a big deal and more about procedures. It’s desperation on the part of unionists. It’s quite sad really. 

Alex Salmond said under oath last week that she broke the ministerial code which is automatically a resigning matter.  Not a Tory or a Unionist but her former mentor in front of a Holyrood committee on National television.  That’s as big as it gets and it’s bizarre you think the press coverage wouldn’t reflect that.

 

All this talk or Tories and Patel is just deflection.  This is Alex Salmond causing this damage.  

Edited March 3, 2021 by Brighton Jambo

[Brighton Jambo]

6 minutes ago, jamboy1982 said:

I’m by no means lumping her in with those 3 crooks. The comparison i am making is of the distorted media coverage. The British media would have you believe that she has committed a cardinal sin of which she much resign over. This isn’t actually the case. 
 

It appears as though the tories, unionist and their friends in the media are desperate to get rid of her out of fear. The initial media commentators were saying this committee would spell the end for her. They’ve changed their tune a bit today. Now it’s the independent investigation that will end her and that this committee isn’t a big deal and more about procedures. It’s desperation on the part of unionists. It’s quite sad really. 

Even is she doesn’t resign this has done untold damage to her reputation and, as recent polls have shown, support for independence.  This also won’t go away, as Alex Salmond has demonstrated today he won’t stop until he has brought her and others down.   Wonderful stuff, he’s a proper Hearts man.  

[Don DaniEL]

Sturgeons forgetfulness is being questioned and rightly so. 

[Hagar the Horrible]

So in meeting in which she forgot about that left her shaken has no recollection of the details but knows as a fact that Alex worked out the names of the complainers using social media, even though she denies the existence of a meeting beforehand that she was told the specifics, which she denies having but knows for a fact she was not told by Geoff at that meeting with perfect recollection she was not told those names, but 2 other witnesses have come forward today to say she was told the details and she has recalled to agree to meet him only on the basis Alex was going to resign from the party?  Yet other witnesses say she was told the specifics beforehand, and she had not discussed this with her husband either?  Her recollection of either meeting is vague the details are as grey as a grey thing. Yet she is adamant she did nothing wrong.

An unreliable witness as you can get.

[graygo]

7 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

BBC Scotland been got at! Picture of the inquiry down to some old film of The Duke of Edinburgh.

 

Wonder if he's deid and they've gone too early.

[Mikey1874]

Not recording meetings to protect confidentiality is not credible. 

 

There are clear procedures to protect secrecy. And there are plenty of other areas kept confidential. But records are still kept. 

 

[Don DaniEL]

2 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

So in meeting in which she forgot about that left her shaken has no recollection of the details but knows as a fact that Alex worked out the names of the complainers using social media, even though she denies the existence of a meeting beforehand that she was told the specifics, which she denies having but knows for a fact she was not told by Geoff at that meeting with perfect recollection she was not told those names, but 2 other witnesses have come forward today to say she was told the details and she has recalled to agree to meet him only on the basis Alex was going to resign from the party?  Yet other witnesses say she was told the specifics beforehand, and she had not discussed this with her husband either?  Her recollection of either meeting is vague the details are as grey as a grey thing. Yet she is adamant she did nothing wrong.

 

An unreliable witness as you can get.

 

 

 

Tying he self in knots. As far as I know😂

[Mikey1874]

Credit to Nicola for not going into angry mode today. 

[stevie1874]

First time I’ve watched this but under questioning from Murdo Fraser about specifics she can’t seem to remember an awful lot. 

[Don DaniEL]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Not recording meetings to protect confidentiality is not credible. 

 

There are clear procedures to protect secrecy. And there are plenty of other areas kept confidential. But records are still kept. 

 

Would be a resigning offence?

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, Boy Daniel said:

Would be a resigning offence?

 

That is more serious.

 

Not recording Government business. 

[Mikey1874]

So if Nicola didn't record or notify meeting undermines confidentiality what does that say about the Government? 

 

Sworn as they are to protect confidentiality. There are loads of sensitive information in Government.

[Don DaniEL]

4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

That is more serious.

 

Not recording Government business. 

Thanks one other question has she broken the ministerial code by not recording the meeting? 

[steve123]

She has absolutely lost it, forgetting meetings not recording them ...

[Costanza]

The more I watch this, the more I think......why can't we just get Geoff Aberdein to testify in front of the committee and save ourselves hours of this?

[Mikey1874]

4 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Thanks one other question has she broken the ministerial code by not recording the meeting? 

 

Potentially. A few things today do need further clarification. 

 

I'm never looking for anyone to be sanctioned. Overall is anything that serious. I can see why she did what she says she did. The key issue is still the wider conspiracy allegation. Which got a boost today by explanations justifying bypassing the women's wishes.

 

But not recording meetings is a big deal by their own rules. Nicola sees national security and organised crime papers for example. How then is a sexual harassment matter incapable of being recorded. 

[graygo]

17 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

His condition has slightly improved.

 

Usually happens before the croak doesn't it?

[Justin Z]

10 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Honest politicians and an honest even handed press, that would be first. 

Next you'll be demanding an honest SPFL board.

 

Fairy tale time!

[manaliveits105]

Swinney will have to burst into the room and throw in the white towel soon 

not a convincing display .

[Don DaniEL]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Potentially. A few things today do need further clarification. 

 

I'm never looking for anyone to be sanctioned. Overall is anything that serious. I can see why she did what she says she did. The key issue is still the wider conspiracy allegation. Which got a boost today by explanations justifying bypassing the women's wishes.

 

But not recording meetings is a big deal by their own rules. Nicola sees national security and organised crime papers for example. How then is a sexual harassment matter incapable of being recorded. 

Thanks Mikey 

[Mikey1874]

It's back on BBC Scotland 

[Don DaniEL]

4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Swinney will have to burst into the room and throw in the white towel soon 

not a convincing display .

There’s been withholding of documents by Swinney that have been requested and the time of the ones they have hand over was picked up on too. To my suspicious mind this was done deliberately to make the questions the committee could ask much more difficult.

[Shanks said no]

Only caught the first hour on the radio and just got back to see Murdo Fraser questioning her around 1610. Thought she was about to crack and breakdown, only for the Convenor to call a recess at 1615.

 

From what I have picked up there hasn't really been anything new or conclusive, is this right?

[Mysterion]

3 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Only caught the first hour on the radio and just got back to see Murdo Fraser questioning her around 1610. Thought she was about to crack and breakdown, only for the Convenor to call a recess at 1615.

 

From what I have picked up there hasn't really been anything new or conclusive, is this right?

 

I've not read or heard anything significant to make me think that a lot of this is opposition MPs hoping to catch Sturgeon out on something. 

Other than making some stern points here and there i don't think they have really achieved anything. 

[jamboy1982]

2 minutes ago, Mysterion said:

 

I've not read or heard anything significant to make me think that a lot of this is opposition MPs hoping to catch Sturgeon out on something. 

Other than making some stern points here and there i don't think they have really achieved anything. 

This is my reading of things. They have not managed to get anything on sturgeon. One word against another persons word but noting concrete. 

[lou]

12 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Only caught the first hour on the radio and just got back to see Murdo Fraser questioning her around 1610. Thought she was about to crack and breakdown, only for the Convenor to call a recess at 1615.

 

From what I have picked up there hasn't really been anything new or conclusive, is this right?

I am not surprised she nearly cracked, his question was out of line, she should not apologise for Salmonds actions

[Mikey1874]

Still a problem with failing to report or record. 

 

Could be a problem. 

Edited March 3, 2021 by Mikey1874

[Cade]

All the same supposition, hearsay, chinese whispers, conspiracy theories and other nonsense that's been around this case since the start.

 

A bungled, rushed investigation into Salmond for sure. Answers must be found as to how it was conducted so poorly.

No grand plan at the heart of it though.

 

They're grasping at straws.

 

 

[graygo]

Coming over very well here, almost statesmanlike, independence a shoe-in now.

 

😁

[JackLadd]

Her snarly wee lying coupon knows the game is up.

[Don DaniEL]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

All the same supposition, hearsay, chinese whispers, conspiracy theories and other nonsense that's been around this case since the start.

 

A bungled, rushed investigation into Salmond for sure. Answers must be found as to how it was conducted so poorly.

No grand plan at the heart of it though.

 

They're grasping at straws.

 

 

Most of what you say is correct. Sturgeon may not have been party  to a witch hunt but her subordinates may well have been out to get Salmond for his known behaviour 

[Don DaniEL]

The to wife’s ate at each other throat again not a good look for a committee of such note.

[JackLadd]

Landing heavy blows on the midden.

[milky_26]

whi is the convenor?

[Mikey1874]

Just now, milky_26 said:

whi is the convenor?

 

Linda Fabiani SNP

[Don DaniEL]

Just now, BarneyBattles said:

is the deputy convenor pished?😄

No but she is on a roll. The SNP conveyor is no best pleased. 

[Mikey1874]

1 minute ago, BarneyBattles said:

is the deputy convenor pished?😄

 

Gave Nicola a gift there.

[JackLadd]

This convenor is a joke. Like having Andy Davis running the line vs oldco.

[milky_26]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Linda Fabiani SNP

my ghast is absolutely flabbered at that news

[stevie1874]

1 minute ago, BarneyBattles said:

is the deputy convenor pished?😄

😂 couple of shandies at lunch, or her teeth are playing up. 

[lou]

3 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

Landing heavy blows on the midden.

What heavy blows were these? I heard a lot of incoherent rantings and not one single question

[Don DaniEL]

It will handbags down and jackets off round the back of Holyrood when this is finished. 

[Shanks said no]

10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Linda Fabiani SNP

 

Deleted my inappropriate comment, that was disappointing and they will have fun agreeing the report they publish!

Edited March 3, 2021 by The Frenchman Returns

[Don DaniEL]

1 minute ago, BarneyBattles said:

 

The deputy has just been rambling and made a tit of herself and was quite rightly pulled up for it. Shambles.

It’s obvious she doesn’t like Sturgeon and she had venom in her words.

[lou]

Jackie Weavers community council would be laughing at this shambles, I think Nicola will go home feeling like we do after most derbies, why on earth was I worried about that??

[JackLadd]

Just now, BarneyBattles said:

 

They don't exist of course.

 

Nicola finishing strongly now.

 

She's finished, true.