JudyJudyJudy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Yep, served on the jury of a rape case a few years back too. Was quite clear that the perpetrator was guilty of something, but the prosecution's case was flimsy and the defence lawyer very slippery, so despite us jurors desperately wanting to convict, there just wasn't a compelling case and the charges were not proven. Very frustrating, but I'd imagine it happens all the time. The case I was involved in wasn’t sure clear . He presented very well in the dock . She didn’t . They were both pissed when the allegation happened so it was impossible to judge who was able to actually give consent ! I just recall the judge stating quite clearly we had to be really convinced of his guilt “ beyond reasonable doubt “ we weren’t . Not guilty . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 This will conclude that the Scottish Government made mistakes which they deeply regret but they have leant from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Has anyone rattled her enough to get her head bobbing about like mad yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JimKongUno said: Has anyone rattled her enough to get her head bobbing about like mad yet? Ms Mitchell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Eh eh eh eh eh eh eh . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Thus far, watching both Salmond and Sturgeon facing the committee, they're swatting away these questions with ease. That's not a comment on the behaviour or truthfulness of either of them, but they're clearly capable political operators. This may change when Jackie Baillie and Murdo Fraser get their teeth into Sturgeon, but there's nothing damaging at all here yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Costanza said: Thus far, watching both Salmond and Sturgeon facing the committee, they're swatting away these questions with ease. That's not a comment on the behaviour or truthfulness of either of them, but they're clearly capable political operators. This may change when Jackie Baillie and Murdo Fraser get their teeth into Sturgeon, but there's nothing damaging at all here yet. The folk you would expect to go after her have not spoken yet, they waived their right to ask about the policy I think because she has already admitted the mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Jackie Baille has her rattled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, steve123 said: Jackie Baille has her rattled. Very much so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 When she struggles - throw in the old to the best of my knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Seems to have put the pen down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 So Geoff Aberdein gets to know the name of one of the complainants from a senior government officer and the FM doesn't know who it was that leaked it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Stumbling, bumbling, deflecting eh eh eh, to the best of my knowledge bailie Had her vet uncomfortable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, steve123 said: The folk you would expect to go after her have not spoken yet, they waived their right to ask about the policy I think because she has already admitted the mistakes. I was about 15 mins behind as I paused it. Certainly much better questioning now we're on to Jackie Baillie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Costanza said: I was about 15 mins behind as I paused it. Certainly much better questioning now we're on to Jackie Baillie 👍 thankfully heating up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd imagine Alex did, back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 How does she not know where the leak came from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 So she's resorting to the old mafia defence. I didn't see anything, I wasn't there and if I was there I must have been sleeping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 So as far as she is aware Salmond knew about the complainant's name through Flickr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, jonesy said: I'd imagine Alex did, back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I just can't accept that the FM doesn't know who leaked a complainant's name. She should have made it her business to know for a serious confidentiality breach like that and done something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 It is all going to come down to what the Greens etc do with vote of no confidence, I can't think her ignorance excuse is going to impress many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Her reasons for not involving the police when knowledge of the leak became known is pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I haven’t managed to watch up until now but picking up what commentators are saying one thing stood out. She can’t remember the meeting on the 29th March but can rambler what was said. I may be wrong in what I’ve gleaned from the reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Auldbenches said: To be fair here, in this case the P in PHM could stand for past or perv... Predatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I did not say I had no knowledge of this I said to the best of my knowledge I didnt know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Not watched it, is Nicola proving that she is made of Teflon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Ah dinnae ken likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Glenn Campbell on Twitter: "Alex Salmond’s office has just issued a statement saying he has lodged a formal complaint with the Scottish government’s top civil servant about the official who has been accused of (and has denied) disclosing the name of a complainer to Mr Salmond’s former chief of staff" / Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Not watched it, is Nicola proving that she is made of Teflon? Doing pretty well so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 It's quite reassuring that the 1st minister has a memory like a fish. I suppose they didn't call her Sturgeon for nothing. Even better she doesn't even know if she knows something. I'm waiting for her to tell them to ask Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 All about the victims. Until they didn't want complaints to go to the Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Bit of humour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Sturgeon makes a good point that she could have been criticised for doing the opposite of what she did. She's still going with the 'Salmond is guilty' approach. There are plenty of disputes that are settled and don't become public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Pans Jambo said: So many clued up people here in matters of law and ministerial codes. Plus someone earlier claiming they know the state of Scottish financial affairs AFTER Independence... I feel blessed. There's none so blind as those who will not see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janbo1874 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Anyone called House yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said: Predatory. Perfunctory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Questions asked about the 2 complainants making their complaints before the new complaints process was formally signed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambostuart Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Questions asked about the 2 complainants making their complaints before the new complaints process was formally signed off. A good question poorly worded and Sturgeon dodged a bullet with it It's all getting a playgroundy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: The convener and deputy convener arguing with each other. Proper tetchy with each other. I think the deputy convenor has forgotten her role, how can we possibly take this investigation seriously when the 2 convenors are arguing amongst themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Ohhhh ya , she says she was trying to let an old friend down gently and said she might intervene to placate him 🤣👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Don't think today will resolve anything. Her supporters will say she has done her best in difficult circumstances and we should accept her ministerial errors and move on. Detractors will say she should quit or be forced out. The neutrals will simply ask 'what the **** is going on'. After this though, comes the legal investigations into criminality and that is where real worries for SG lie. This isn't the end, its just the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 One of my favourites today was when one of the questioners referred in error to AS as the First Minister and in true Stallone Judge Dread style Nicky said firmly I AM THE FIRST MINISTER ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Not a good look when the SNP convenor and the Tory deputy convenor have a bit of a contretemps. They need their lunch. Plenty of cold should sandwiches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Don't think today will resolve anything. Her supporters will say she has done her best in difficult circumstances and we should accept her ministerial errors and move on. Detractors will say she should quit or be forced out. The neutrals will simply ask 'what the **** is going on'. After this though, comes the legal investigations into criminality and that is where real worries for SG lie. This isn't the end, its just the beginning. Surely if that's the case, the public will make up their minds on election Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I can’t watch this. The Committee are as ****ing hopeless as anyone else. They are arguing amongst themselves ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Magic Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Seaweed doesn’t recall a huge amount does she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, AlimOzturk said: I can’t watch this. The Committee are as ****ing hopeless as anyone else. They are arguing amongst themselves ffs Party allegiances coming into to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 The committee are not landing any real punches on her, there is a smoking gun in there, but Wee Nic has no recolection of taking a bullet, putting it into a gun and firing the gun, Trump could learn a few things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 The Minnion will eke some concession out of the nats like bring zero carbon forward 2 years and more cycle lanes and not give a vonc and this brass nick will not do the right thing but hopefully the good people of Scotland give her the vickys in May to say we dont do liars . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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