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1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Few people paid much heed to Paul Hellyer when he was in the cabinet.  He must have upped his game if people are listening to him now.

I’m not surprised. Many people refuse to listen to anything on this subject matter as their minds are closed. What’s significant is that a senior member of the Canadian Government who had access to top secret defence information Is making quite profound statements on this topic. Just like Apollo astronauts. Just like the dozens of witnesses that stood at the National Press Club all those years ago, giving a flavour of what they had witnessed during their long distinguished careers and asking for immunity so that they could go to Congress and tell their stories.

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1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

I’m not surprised. Many people refuse to listen to anything on this subject matter as their minds are closed. What’s significant is that a senior member of the Canadian Government who had access to top secret defence information Is making quite profound statements on this topic. Just like Apollo astronauts. Just like the dozens of witnesses that stood at the National Press Club all those years ago, giving a flavour of what they had witnessed during their long distinguished careers and asking for immunity so that they could go to Congress and tell their stories.

 

I'm not closed-minded on this subject, but I have to confess to being a skeptic.  Too much of the so-called evidence seems to consist of eye witness accounts and grainy, out of focus nighttime pictures.  A nice, clear daytime shot of an unexplained flying object would be nice to see.

 

As you know, in a court of law eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate and don't carry much weight, despite the good intentions and credentials of the witness. Humans are prone to error; that's just the way we are.

 

One of the Apollo astronauts and the second person to walk on the moon, Buzz Aldrin, is a good man. One would think that his scientific credentials are impeccable.  Nevertheless, he spent considerable time trudging around the slopes of Mount Ararat looking for the remains of Noah's ark, which is a distinctly non-scientific activity.  The reason I mention that is to illustrate that even the opinions of fine people like the Apollo men should be viewed critically, especially if they are weak on hard evidence.

 

Just my opinion of course. 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

I'm not closed-minded on this subject, but I have to confess to being a skeptic.  Too much of the so-called evidence seems to consist of eye witness accounts and grainy, out of focus nighttime pictures.  A nice, clear daytime shot of an unexplained flying object would be nice to see.

 

As you know, in a court of law eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate and don't carry much weight, despite the good intentions and credentials of the witness. Humans are prone to error; that's just the way we are.

 

One of the Apollo astronauts and the second person to walk on the moon, Buzz Aldrin, is a good man. One would think that his scientific credentials are impeccable.  Nevertheless, he spent considerable time trudging around the slopes of Mount Ararat looking for the remains of Noah's ark, which is a distinctly non-scientific activity.  The reason I mention that is to illustrate that even the opinions of fine people like the Apollo men should be viewed critically, especially if they are weak on hard evidence.

 

Just my opinion of course. 

 

 

Skepticism is a healthy trait and apologies if you feel that I suggested you have a closed mind. The truth is, I don’t know you.

 

The eminent nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman used to say something along the lines of, “I’m not interested in the 95% of UFO sightings that can be explained, I’m interested in the 5% that can’t”. I wish the media would focus more of their attention on that 5%.
 

What we tend to get is superficial reporting of “an event” followed by every spurious reason why it isn’t a UFO. But then, despite what people think, the media are not ‘free’ to report on significant UFO incidents IMHO. Events after the initial (accurate/honest?) media reporting at Roswell proved that. A favourite line used by the media in the 50’s and 60’s as a possible explanation for UFO sightings was, “swamp gas” .
 

Unless and until, people are willing to invest a bit of time in some serious reading, then many of the very credible cases will never get the recognition they deserve. Which of course, is what governments want.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Few people paid much heed to Paul Hellyer when he was in the cabinet.  He must have upped his game if people are listening to him now.

 

Hellyer also believes 911 was an inside job/Bush family conspiracy. That makes him nuts in my book.

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Maple Leaf
1 hour ago, WorldChampions1902 said:

Skepticism is a healthy trait and apologies if you feel that I suggested you have a closed mind. The truth is, I don’t know you.

 

The eminent nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman used to say something along the lines of, “I’m not interested in the 95% of UFO sightings that can be explained, I’m interested in the 5% that can’t”. I wish the media would focus more of their attention on that 5%.
 

What we tend to get is superficial reporting of “an event” followed by every spurious reason why it isn’t a UFO. But then, despite what people think, the media are not ‘free’ to report on significant UFO incidents IMHO. Events after the initial (accurate/honest?) media reporting at Roswell proved that. A favourite line used by the media in the 50’s and 60’s as a possible explanation for UFO sightings was, “swamp gas” .
 

Unless and until, people are willing to invest a bit of time in some serious reading, then many of the very credible cases will never get the recognition they deserve. Which of course, is what governments want.

 

 

 

Full confession here ... I AM closed minded about some things.  For example, I despise Hibs and I think their fans are wankers.  I'll never change in that regard.  :biggrin2:

 

On the subject of the thread, there is almost certainly abundant life in our galaxy, so we're not alone in that respect.  The question then becomes how much of that life is sentient, and how much of it becomes technologically advanced.  I also think about the fact that on on our own planet, with hundreds of millions of species in the planet's history, only one species has become technologically advanced.  After that we need to consider that the distances involved in inter stellar travel are vast beyond our comprehension. 

 

Putting all of the above together, I have reached the conclusion that the chances of alien beings visiting the earth are vanishingly small, so small that it can be completely discounted.  Nevertheless, I am willing to change my mind, but I'll need some convincing evidence.  Fuzzy pictures and eye witness anecdotal stories don't do it for me. 

 

Your last statement about governments interest me. Which governments are you referring to?  

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Maple Leaf
35 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

Hellyer also believes 911 was an inside job/Bush family conspiracy. That makes him nuts in my book.

 

He was a very controversial figure when he was active in politics.  Sounds like he still is.

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On 10/05/2020 at 17:44, maroonlegions said:

Very interesting factual and confirmed statements from various , and  very credible military and governmental officials . These individuals  who were in various positions  of above top secret  clearances who had access to  "above top secret"documents and investigations ,  and above all  had  various clearances to the UAPs involving  UAPs cases that were deemed a threat to national security .   Below is a few authenticated statements  from people such as General Nathan D. Twining, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1957-1960):

 

THE UFO BRIEFING DOCUMENT;

 

SUMMARY OF QUOTATIONS;

 

 

General Nathan D. Twining, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1957-1960):

 

"The phenomena reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious... There are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as a man-made aircraft... The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically, or remotely." (Letter to the Commanding General of the U.S. Army Air Forces, September 23, 1947.

 

General Lionel M. Chassin, Commanding General of the French Air Forces, and General Air Defense Coordinator, Allied Air Forces, Central Europe (NATO):

"The number of thoughtful, intelligent, educated people in full possession of their faculties who have 'seen something' and described it grows every day... We can... say categorically that mysterious objects have indeed appeared and continue to appear in the sky that surrounds us... [they] unmistakably suggest a systematic aerial exploration and cannot be the result of chance. It indicates purposive and intelligent action." (Chassin, L., Foreward to the book by Michel Aime, Flying Saucers and the Straight Line Mystery, New York: Criterion Books, 1958.)

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA (1947-1950):

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is." (Maccabee, Bruce, "What The Admiral Knew: UFO, MJ-12 and R. Hillenkoetter," International UFO Reporter, Nov./Dec., 1986.)

Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Chairman of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University and scientific consultant to the U.S. Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969 (Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book):

"There exists a phenomenon... that is worthy of systematic rigorous study... The body of data point to an aspect or domain of the natural world not yet explored by science... When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum jump." (Hynek, J. Allen, The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry, Chicago: Regnery Co., 1972.)

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter (see above):

"It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings. Behind the scenes high ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense." (Statement in a NICAP news release, February 27, 1960.)

link;   

UFO BRIEFING DOC - TABLE OF CONTENTS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                        

 

 


 

 

 

Interesting read. 

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Anyone recall the A70 Lanark Road abduction case from the early 90s and the two dudes? They went on the Michael Aspel strange but true show and recounted the whole thing under hypnosis. Is the one Scottish case that sticks in my mind with Bob Taylor. At one point they were going to make a film of it starring Billy Boyd of Lord of the Rings fame. 

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WorldChampions1902
11 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Full confession here ... I AM closed minded about some things.  For example, I despise Hibs and I think their fans are wankers.  I'll never change in that regard.  :biggrin2:

 

On the subject of the thread, there is almost certainly abundant life in our galaxy, so we're not alone in that respect.  The question then becomes how much of that life is sentient, and how much of it becomes technologically advanced.  I also think about the fact that on on our own planet, with hundreds of millions of species in the planet's history, only one species has become technologically advanced.  After that we need to consider that the distances involved in inter stellar travel are vast beyond our comprehension. 

 

Putting all of the above together, I have reached the conclusion that the chances of alien beings visiting the earth are vanishingly small, so small that it can be completely discounted.  Nevertheless, I am willing to change my mind, but I'll need some convincing evidence.  Fuzzy pictures and eye witness anecdotal stories don't do it for me. 

 

Your last statement about governments interest me. Which governments are you referring to?  

In response to your question at the end, the UK government yes but the greatest meddler in keeping this under wraps is without question the US government. If you read enough about what I call “high quality incidents”, a common theme is interference/ intervention by US military in areas outside of the US. 

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18 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

Interesting read. 

The UK’s very own Admiral of the Fleet, Lord Hill-Norton is also worth reading up on. Here is a little taster:-

Since my name has become connected with UFO matters in quite a big way in this country, and in one or two other countries too, I have frequently been asked why a person of my background — a former Chief of the Defense Staff, a former Chairman of the NATO Military Committee — why I think there is a cover-up, or what the reasons may be for government’s wishing to cover up the facts about UFOs. A number of explanations have often been put forward. The most frequent, and perhaps the most plausible, is the government’s concern (which [is] primarily that of the United States, and that of my own country) over the public’s reaction if they [were] told the truth — which is that there are objects in our atmosphere which are technically miles in advance of anything that we can deploy, that we have no means of stopping them coming here, and that we have no defense against them, should they be hostile”.

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JFK-1

This video has a plausible and rational explanation for UFO's and an explanation I have always suspected myself, that they're probably classified military projects. Though the explanation in the video has far greater scope than just that fact. UFO's are a conspiracy of sorts.

The video covers a lot more than that but I have primed it to start at the relevant point.
 

 

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3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

This video has a plausible and rational explanation for UFO's and an explanation I have always suspected myself, that they're probably classified military projects. Though the explanation in the video has far greater scope than just that fact. UFO's are a conspiracy of sorts.

The video covers a lot more than that but I have primed it to start at the relevant point.
 

 

 

 

What time did you stamp if for - not working for me, have to go to you tube

 

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Just now, Bigsmak said:

 

 

What time did you stamp if for - not working for me, have to go to you tube

 

 

The relevant chapter begins at 1:06:08

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On it

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JFK-1
18 minutes ago, Bigsmak said:

On it

 

Quite fascinating isn't it. Sucks you in.

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Space Pirate

Aliens are real, mate. 

 

 

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WoolfordsHearts
20 hours ago, JackLadd said:

Anyone recall the A70 Lanark Road abduction case from the early 90s and the two dudes? They went on the Michael Aspel strange but true show and recounted the whole thing under hypnosis. Is the one Scottish case that sticks in my mind with Bob Taylor. At one point they were going to make a film of it starring Billy Boyd of Lord of the Rings fame. 

I'd never heard of this case before and after reading your post I just googled it.

I'll be keeping my night time driving on the "Lang Whang" to a minimum from now on mate...

😟

 

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Space Pirate
30 minutes ago, WoolfordsHearts said:

I'd never heard of this case before and after reading your post I just googled it.

I'll be keeping my night time driving on the "Lang Whang" to a minimum from now on mate...

😟

 

 

"the Lang Whang"  I drive that road every day in the hope that aliens abduct me and make my whang langer.

 

Favourite Hearts player ever? 

Marcel Langer. 

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1 hour ago, Space Pirate said:

 

"the Lang Whang"  I drive that road every day in the hope that aliens abduct me and make my whang langer.

 

Favourite Hearts player ever? 

Marcel Langer. 

The Bay city rollers blasting away in yer Ford Escort as yer driving along?

 

Shang a Whang🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶

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Space Pirate
49 minutes ago, WoolfordsHearts said:

The Bay city rollers blasting away in yer Ford Escort as yer driving along?

 

Shang a Whang🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶

 

You can keep the bay city rollers if i can keep the ford escort, deal?

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You can rent a wee fiat and play this 

pmsl

 

 

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annushorribilis III
9 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

This video has a plausible and rational explanation for UFO's and an explanation I have always suspected myself, that they're probably classified military projects. Though the explanation in the video has far greater scope than just that fact. UFO's are a conspiracy of sorts.

The video covers a lot more than that but I have primed it to start at the relevant point.
 

 

A mate of mine was working for the MoD years ago and he was on Benbecula and he said one day there was a big feeling of excitement on the base but he didn't know why. He went out to the take a look up at what everyone was watching - he nearly shat himself when he saw it. It was  a Stealth bomber.  

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3 hours ago, annushorribilis III said:

A mate of mine was working for the MoD years ago and he was on Benbecula and he said one day there was a big feeling of excitement on the base but he didn't know why. He went out to the take a look up at what everyone was watching - he nearly shat himself when he saw it. It was  a Stealth bomber.  

 

I think there may be something about the stealth that triggers some instinctive ancestral memory of aerial predators.

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JackLadd
18 hours ago, WoolfordsHearts said:

I'd never heard of this case before and after reading your post I just googled it.

I'll be keeping my night time driving on the "Lang Whang" to a minimum from now on mate...

😟

 

 

It's a disturbing and compelling case, eh. 

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Posted (edited)

Astronaut Gordon Cooper said that he witnessed a spacecraft land in the desert. (not one of our own)

I think there's a bit about it in Close Encounters: Proof of Alien Contact, available to watch on Amazon Prime Video.

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1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

It's a disturbing and compelling case, eh. 

 

It's interesting that a lot of these unexplained events happen near military bases (the rendlesham forrest incident for example)

The air strip where they fly gliders near Kirknewton used to be an RAF base. 

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maroonlegions
On 14/05/2020 at 23:37, JackLadd said:

Anyone recall the A70 Lanark Road abduction case from the early 90s and the two dudes? They went on the Michael Aspel strange but true show and recounted the whole thing under hypnosis. Is the one Scottish case that sticks in my mind with Bob Taylor. At one point they were going to make a film of it starring Billy Boyd of Lord of the Rings fame. 

I do. They had a case of missing  time, their drive to one of the boys sisters should have taken them 20 odd mins, instead it took an hour and a half. 

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ri Alban
55 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

I do. They had a case of missing  time, their drive to one of the boys sisters should have taken them 20 odd mins, instead it took an hour and a half. 

Clocks went forward.

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To those who have a genuine interest in this phenomenon and to those who can just take it or leave it here is something that not a lot of people will know about.

 

There was once a  US government UFO Symposium  in which  it  attracted and was attended by top scientists in the  their respective  disciplines in astronomy  and physics. Also attending were top US   military and government officials and  especially top scientists from the US government UFO investigation  project named Project Blue Book. 

 

SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

MONDAY, JULY 29, 1968

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS,

   

Washington, D.C.

LINK;     

SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS: Hearings Before The Committee On Science and Astronautics, U. S. House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, Second Session, July 29, 1968.

 

 

The late Dr John E. MacDonald was such a person  on Project Blue Book who attended this UFO Symposium  and he was one of the top scientific advisors who sat on the board and investigated UFO cases  again on Project Blue Book.

 

He was in his day a top and much respected  astrophysicist and meteorologist  so one can be forgiven for taking what he said and what his conclusions were.

 

He opened up this hearing with a bold and very courageous opening speech aimed directly at the handling of the UFO  situation by the US government and military intelligences.   

 

Here it is below.  There are aso links to the actual UFO cases he had studied and presented to this hearing;

 

James E. McDonald, Senior Physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, and Professor, Department of Meteorology, The University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona

 

 

He wrote;

 

 

"I should like first to commend the House Committee on Science and Astronautics for recognizing the need for a closer look at scientific aspects of the long-standing puzzle of the Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs). From time to time in the history of science, situations have arisen in which a problem of ultimately enormous importance went begging for adequate attention simply because that problem appeared to involve phenomena so far outside the current bounds of scientific knowledge that it was not even regarded as a legitimate subject of serious scientific concern.

 

That is precisely the situation in which the UFO problem now lies. One of the principal results of my own recent intensive study of the UFO enigma is this: I have become convinced that the scientific community, not only in this country but throughout the world, has been casually ignoring as nonsense a matter of extraordinary scientific importance. The attention of your Committee can, and I hope will, aid greatly in correcting this situation. As you will note in the following, my own present opinion, based on two years of careful study, is that UFOs are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something that might very tentatively be termed "surveillance."

 

If the extraterrestrial hypothesis is proved correct (and I emphasize that the present evidence only points in that direction but cannot be said to constitute irrefutable proof), then clearly UFOs will become a top-priority scientific problem. I believe you might agree that, even if there were a slight chance of the correctness of that hypothesis, the UFOs would demand the most careful attention.

 

In fact, that chance seems to some of us a long way from trivial. We share the view of Vice Adm. R. H. Hillenkoetter, former CIA Director, who said eight years ago, "It is imperative that we learn where the UFOs come from and what their purpose is (Ref. 1)"

 

Since your committee is concerned not only with broad aspects of our national scientific program but also with the prosecution of our entire space program, and since that space program has been tied in for some years now years now with the dramatic goal of a search for life in the universe, I submit that the topic of today's Symposium is eminently deserving of your attention. Indeed, I have to state, for the record, that I believe no other problem within your jurisdiction is of comparable scientific and national importance. Those are strong words, and I intend them to be.

 

The rest of his opening speech can be found here;    

BACK to Start of Prepared Statement        

 

His UFO cases are here;  

CASE STUDIES IN JAMES E. MCDONALD'S PREPARED STATEMENT;

Prof. James E. McDonald;

 

 

For anyone who wants to dig deeper and is interested i have included links for what i believe to be very informative and credible UFO research programmes  from a historical perspective if nothing else.

 

...most scientific problems are far better understood

by studying their history than their logic.–Ernst Mayr

 

 

The Sign Historical Group (SHG) is pleased to present three primary documents with relevant supplementary materials from an era of augmented scientific and governmental interest in the study of unidentified flying objects. This era (1966-1969) marked one of the longest sustained waves of sightings, which resulted in a critical period of scientific and political decision-making concerning the UFO issue.

 

SHG appreciates the opportunity to mirror two documents that were originally presented on the National Capitol Area Skeptics (NCAS) website; and additionally to present, for the first time, Paul McCarthy's notable treatise:

 

 

POLITICKING AND PARADIGM SHIFTING: James E. McDonald and the UFO Case Study (1975), Ph.D. Dissertation by Dr. Paul McCarthy.

 

 

 

FINAL REPORT OF THE SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS: Conducted by the University of Colorado Under Contract to the United States Air Force (1968), by Dr. Edward U. Condon, Scientific Director.

 

Also included is a fairly comprehensive Links Section, which provides a significant number of ancillary documents and materials.

 

So a lot of homework here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Clocks went forward.

:olly:

 

 

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40 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

:olly:

 

 

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There have been  very credible sources  from the US and UK  military  that have came forward with their direct witness testimonies , risking their own credibility and careers . Fom 2014/15 and onwards US Navy pilots told of their direct experiences with unknown UPAs  while on maneuvers and exercises. Even been cases of F16s being scrambled to intercept unknown UPAs that have entered restricted US and UK air spaces.These objects have been described as disk shaped , metallic in  appearance and displaying astonishing flight and maneuverability characteristics, and all backed up by radar hits.    

 

Below are just a few of these cases.

 

‘I Almost Hit One of Those Things’: More US Navy Pilots Come Forward with their UFO Encounters;

 

1; Naval pilots assigned to the USS Roosevelt have reported having encounters with unknown objects, on a near-daily basis, from the summer of 2014 through March 2015, while participating in training maneuvers along the east coast of the United States between Virginia and Florida.

 

Speaking in interviews with The New York Times, five Navy pilots described encounters with objects that exhibited flight characteristics that are far beyond what conventional aircraft are capable of, and yet “had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds [more than five times the speed of sound],” according to the NYT.

 

One of the pilots’ encounters also almost resulted in a mid-air collision when one of the objects made a dangerously close pass between two aircraft, prompting the pilots involved to file an official aviation flight safety report.

 

The testimony of the pilots, members of the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” squadron operating out of Naval Air Station Oceana, Virginia, follows earlier reports from witnesses to a series of encounters involving the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004 off of the coast of California. The 2014/2015 USS Roosevelt encounters appear to be the source of the “Go Fast” UFO footage, released by the To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science in 2017.
 

The unidentified objects first started appearing on the pilots’ scopes after their radar systems had been updated from older units that had been installed in the 1980s.

 

Initially, they assumed that the blips were just false tracks caused by errors in the new systems, but the strange tracks persisted, appearing at altitudes ranging from 30,000 feet all the way down to sea level; they could also alternately hover, then accelerate to speeds more than five times the speed of sound—more than 3,836 mph (6,174 kph), and make sudden stops and instantaneous turns at these speeds—maneuvers that not only would have turned the body of a human pilot to a mushy pulp, but also have shredded a conventional aircraft.

 

 

2;Lieutenant Danny Accoin, a F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot, had two encounters with these objects. His first was with an object that appeared on radar; intending to intercept the bogie, Accoin directed his fighter to fly 1,000 feet directly below the object, but once he was in position, the object wasn’t visible through his helmet camera, even though his radar system was still actively tracking it.

 

 

Accoin’s second encounter occurred a few days later, when both the tracking systems on a training missile that his aircraft was carrying, and his infrared camera, locked onto one of the objects, indicating that the appearance of the object wasn’t a glitch in one of the systems, but something physically present outside the aircraft. “I knew I had it, I knew it was not a false hit,” according to Accoin. But the object still remained invisible to the naked eye, “I could not pick it up visually.”

 

 

The pilots began to suspect that these objects were part of a classified advanced drone program, but that speculation was quickly dropped when one of them not only spotted one visually, but had one pass dangerously close to his aircraft.

 
 
 
 
  

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More official UPA releases.This time from a freedom of information request ,(FOIA), from various US news agencies including the New York Times.

 

To emphasise  the significance of these releases from the US  Navy  through their Naval of Intelligence below is a key point that these US Navy reports contain levels of "high strangeness".

 

"This incident convinced the squadron that the mysterious craft were not part of a classified U.S. program, as government agencies would be aware of the Navy exercises in the area, and were unlikely to deliberately endanger their aircrews in such a fashion".

 

So the above quote seems to indicate that a number of the squadern involved believe this incident was not   a classified US program exercise. 

 

A Freedom of Information Act request filed by news outlets, including The New York Times, have resulted in the release of eight unclassified “hazard reports” that outline sightings of unidentified aircraft made by Navy aircrews, including incidents that nearly involved midair collisions, and the sighting of a U.S. Navy ship that investigators were unable to identify.

 

This form of hazard report originates from the Navy’s Web-Enabled Safety System (WESS) Aviation Mishap and Hazard Reporting System (WAMHRS) centralized reporting system, and deal primarily with incidents that present Naval personnel with potentially dangerous situations.

 

In the case of the FOIA-obtained documents, they cover a series of seven incidents covering a time period from 2013 to 2019 that involved the presence of small, unidentified aircraft in training areas that were oftentimes difficult to spot either on radar or visually, and were occasionally outright invisible to one method or the other. Due to their relatively small, drone-like size, the reports refer to the unknown craft as “unmanned aerial systems” (UAS) or “unidentified aerial devices” (UAD).

 

This seems to indicate a "surveillance" type of intrusion . They appeared to have the tech to jam or evade radar detection . No attempt at contact from whatever these objects were. Surveillance only. 

 

The encounters off of the Virginian coast appear to be the source of the “Gimbal” and “Go Fast” videos, recently declassified by The Pentagon, although no reports involving the encounters involving the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in late 2004 were included in the FOIA release.

 

 

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ri Alban

You better get Paul Metcalfe on the case . ^^^

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Very good historical cases that were investigated by the USAF intelligences and Dr John MacDonald. Even the Condon Committee found these baffling. 

 

Again links are provided for those interested .  

 

The first one involves Radar tracking and a RAF jet chase over Brentwater UK in 1956.

 

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Radar/Visual Jet Chase Over Bentwater, UK, 1956;

Many ufologists are aware of this case, but most people are not. This is undoubtedly one of the most important UFO events in the Blue Book files, but surprisingly was not listed among the "unknowns". The case impressed Dr. James E. McDonald and Dr. J. Allen Hynek, and even more so notable, the Condon Committee. This case involved observations of unidentified objects by USAF and RAF personnel, extending over 5 hours, and involving ground-radar, airborne-radar, ground visual and airborne-visual sightings of high-speed unconventionally maneuvering objects in the vicinity of two RAF stations at night.

 

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NICAP - Radar Cases

 

This page is under construction but contains many of the key radar cases, many of them radar/visuals (RV's). The current list (Weinstein) of radar cases exceeds 489; 76 of which are RV's, and continues to grow. The majority of the most recent 39 cases listed were obtained from Richard Hall's Volume II, The UFO Evidence: A Thirty-Year Report. (Catalogue of UFO Radar Cases).

 

 

3:   

RADCAT: Radar Catalogue: A Review of Twenty One Ground and Airborne Radar UAP Contact Reports Generally Related to Aviation Safety (Part 2)

 

For the Period October 15, 1948 to September 19, 1976. Electro-magnetic effects that are possibly related to UAP.

 
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Meteorological Factors in Unidentified Radar Returns

Dr. James E. McDonald, 14th Radar Meteorology Conference, American Meteorological Society, 1970

 

This scientific paper, presented by physicist James McDonald in 1970, "comments upon and cites some examples of a category of unidentified radar returns that do not seem to be well-known to investigators in radar meteorology, despite the fact that the phenomena have frequently been attributed to anomalous propagation and other weather effects. These are a type of returns observed on operational radars, chiefly military and air traffic radars, intermittently over a period of about twenty years, yet never subjected to any very careful, systematic, and extended scientific scrutiny, as near as I have been able to ascertain."  R

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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