Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Pasquale for King]

20 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

Genuinely can't get my head round 60k new cases a day after FIVE months  how have they managed that.

But Trumps bits of paper say they’re No 1, best the world has ever seen 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️🙈.

[Don Dan]

More Tory Stuff Ups. 
you would think they would sample them first and ask the NHS if they are suitable. 
 

Not to mention they employed a Currency trading company amongst other things but not a company with medical purchasing experience. 
Clueless crooks imo

https://apple.news/A0TpFqKfhQPi-xiYhkUY95Q

 

Ministers wasted at least £150 million buying masks with the wrong kind of straps from a little-known family investment company, The Times can reveal.

Health officials signed a £252 million contract to buy masks for frontline healthcare staff from Ayanda Capital in April in a deal brokered by a government adviser who also advises the company’s board.

The contract included 50 million high-strength “FFP2” medical masks costing an estimated £150 million to £180 million and amounting to the entire health system’s expected consumption for a year, as well as 150 million cheaper “IIR” masks.

Officials have admitted that the 43.5 million Chinese-made FFP2 masks delivered so far did not meet standards and could not be used in the NHS, legal documents reveal. The masks have elastic ear loops instead of straps that tie around the back of the head, leading to concerns that they cannot be fixed securely.

Ayanda Capital, based in London, specialises in “currency trading, offshore property, private equity and trade financing” and has no history of PPE procurement or government contracts. The deal was brokered by an adviser to its board, Andrew Mills, who is also an adviser to Liz Truss and the Department for International Trade.

Ayanda is run by Tim Horlick, a former investment banker. It is owned by the Horlick family via a holding company registered in a tax haven.

The investment company blamed the government for the problems with the masks, saying that Ayanda had only ever suggested supplying masks with ear loops and insisting that this had been approved by government officials before the contract was signed.

[Pasquale for King]

Aberdeen player tests positive for Covid 19, what was someone saying about them being in a bubble 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️😂. 

[AlimOzturk]

8 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Aberdeen player tests positive for Covid 19, what was someone saying about them being in a bubble 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️😂. 

oooft that surely throws a spanner in the works. Every player, staff member etc has to self isolate now. 

[TheOak88]

5 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Aberdeen player tests positive for Covid 19, what was someone saying about them being in a bubble 🤔🤷🏾‍♂️😂. 

 

Gonna be interesting how this will be dealt with. Take it all of the squad will have to self isolate for 10-14 days?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

7 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

oooft that surely throws a spanner in the works. Every player, staff member etc has to self isolate now. 

 

What about Rangers, surely they also have to self isolate for at least 10 days as well, as they might have come into contact with the player on Saturday.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Jambo-Jimbo

[Francis Albert]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Hospitals were near to breaking point at the peak of the initial outbreak.   More so in England than in Scotland.   Please don't try to re-write history in that regard.   Obviously it's been much, much quieter in recent weeks because cases were suppressed to very low numbers.    Nightingale hospitals were a contingency and rightly created.   At that time,  nobody knew what the scale of demand was going to be.

 

The country can either attempt to suppress outbreaks via the measures we've seen,  or we can just bury our heads in the sand and do nothing.   All of the interacting issues of health,  education and the economy are complex as you say,   but nobody is ignoring them.   Far from it.

 

So what's your alternative to the policy of attempting to keep a lid on outbreaks?    Anyone can be a contrarian but the more credible thing is to offer an alternative way.

Sweden

Modest lockdown. Schools remained open and economy largely unscathed. Outcome on deaths and infections no worse than many on full lockdown. The silly masks obsession recognised as at best unproven at worst damaging. The choice is not as simple or black and white as you suggest.

 

[vegas-voss]

3 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

See no point in contact tracing then. The whole point of it was to help reopen society. However it seems that it will only go as far to identify folk that have had it then cause a panic and more shut downs.

Have they been panicking about in Aberdeen ?

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Can you think of anything that might have happened to stop this from happening?

 

Maybe the lockdown you keep moaning about?

 

 

There was never, ever going to be anything like the numbers forecasted whether we locked down or not.  It was fag packet calculation. The main sources of infections were care homes, hospitals etc. Constant references to the virus "ripping through" or "running out of control " didn't make it true. 

[GinRummy]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Sweden

Modest lockdown. Schools remained open and economy largely unscathed. Outcome on deaths and infections no worse than many on full lockdown. The silly masks obsession recognised as at best unproven at worst damaging. The choice is not as simple or black and white as you suggest.

 

You need to compare like for like. How have they done proportionally compared to other Scandinavian countries who did have lockdown?

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

I don't have time to watch a 42 minute video. What bit are you referring to?

You the one asking for evidence so try and watch it.  There is a item regarding CV on it.

[vegas-voss]

38 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

There was never, ever going to be anything like the numbers forecasted whether we locked down or not.  It was fag packet calculation. The main sources of infections were care homes, hospitals etc. Constant references to the virus "ripping through" or "running out of control " didn't make it true. 

We all watched it unfold in Italy.You are crazy if you didnt think it was right to lockdown at the time.Wether you agree with it or not now thats a different matter and i respect people are in different minds to myself for various reasons.

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

4 hours ago, frankblack said:

I do wonder with contact tracing how many people are giving false details when they have to register to enter a business?

 

Must be a fair few Mickey and Minnie Mouses in the registrars.

I wonder how many Aberdeen players out on the town gave their family name as Mouse?

It should be the law now to show a passport or other photo ID to enter a pub if contract tracing is to work. If it fails it will be back to full lock down again. 

 

[vegas-voss]

43 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

You need to compare like for like. How have they done proportionally compared to other Scandinavian countries who did have lockdown?

They had one of the worst per head of population im sure but now as i posted earlier they are one of the best in Europe.As i posted them and Italy done everything different from each other but both now have a grip on things.

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

Sweden

Modest lockdown. Schools remained open and economy largely unscathed. Outcome on deaths and infections no worse than many on full lockdown. The silly masks obsession recognised as at best unproven at worst damaging. The choice is not as simple or black and white as you suggest.

 

 

Ah the trusty old FA argument.   Sweden.

 

No.   Over simplistic FA.    To properly do any comparisons between the approaches adopted in countries,   you would need to have a very good idea of the comparative public behaviours,  habits,  diligence,  personal responsibilities,  etc.    

 

I'm not going to pretend this as fact but I highly suspect that this factor will have quite an important bearing regarding the safety and risks of the return to normal activities.    

 

The government could politely ask everyone to suddenly begin being much more careful in what they get up to.   In fact they do just that as a basic public health message.    But it isn't enough.   Clearly not enough.    Too many instances of too many people letting their guard down.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Victorian

[Francis Albert]

13 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Ah the trusty old FA argument.   Sweden.

 

No.   Over simplistic FA.    To properly do any comparisons between the approaches adopted in countries,   you would need to have a very good idea of the comparative public behaviours,  habits,  diligence,  personal responsibilities,  etc.    

 

I'm not going to pretend this as fact but I highly suspect that this factor will have quite an important bearing regarding the safety and risks of the return to normal activities.    

 

The government could politely ask everyone to suddenly begin being much more careful in what they get up to.   In fact they do just that as a basic public health message.    But it isn't enough.   Clearly not enough.    Too many instances of too many people letting their guard down.

I didn't say it was simple. In fact I said quite the opposite.

 

When Nicola was asked why Scotland had 30 times the death rate of Norway her answer was "we are doing better than England". That's what I call simplistic!

 

We could certainly consider why Norway and Denmark did better than Sweden or Scotland. I think it is to use your word simplistic to put it down to "comparative public behaviours etc" Or why Belgium did so much worse than the Netherlands and continues to do so with similar  "public behaviours etc"  (in fact the Netherlands more relaxed in some ways eg on masks). Or why Italy so far seems to have escaped so called "second wave" outbreaks compared to Spain and France.

 

Or why the Netherlands and Sweden and indeed the WHO say there is no evidence masks worn by the public make any difference and may even be detrimental. whereas we are compelled to wear them in seemingly fairly random locations/environments.

 

And even then we are being simplistic if we don't consider the costs of "the cure" in lack of treatment of other serious illnesses, economic impact both in Europe but even more so in poorer parts of the world, mental illness through isolation and fear and so on, loss of opportunity for the young, lack of resources to  care for the old.  Focusing entirely on Covid 19 cases and deaths is as simplistic as it gets.

 

 

[Victorian]

10 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

I didn't say it was simple. In fact I said quite the opposite.

 

When Nicola was asked why Scotland had 30 times the death rate of Norway her answer was "we are doing better than England". That's what I call simplistic!

 

We could certainly consider why Norway and Denmark did better than Sweden or Scotland. I think it is to use your word simplistic to put it down to "comparative public behaviours etc" Or why Belgium did so much worse than the Netherlands and continues to do so with similar  "public behaviours etc"  (in fact the Netherlands more relaxed in some ways eg on masks). Or why Italy so far seems to have escaped so called "second wave" outbreaks compared to Spain and France.

 

Or why the Netherlands and Sweden and indeed the WHO say there is no evidence masks worn by the public make any difference and may even be detrimental. whereas we are compelled to wear them in seemingly fairly random locations/environments.

 

And even then we are being simplistic if we don't consider the costs of "the cure" in lack of treatment of other serious illnesses, economic impact both in Europe but even more so in poorer parts of the world, mental illness through isolation and fear and so on, loss of opportunity for the young, lack of resources to  care for the old.  Focusing entirely on Covid 19 cases and deaths is as simplistic as it gets.

 

 

 

Is this happening,   or is it a bit of a dubious cliche?

 

I'm glad most people agree that this entire crisis is highly complex.    But it never seems to prevent misguided criticism of the efforts the government is trying to make.    I would have thought that these kinds of convinced criticisms would need to be under pinned by convincing alternatives,   yet never seem to be.

[Enzo Chiefo]

57 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

We all watched it unfold in Italy.You are crazy if you didnt think it was right to lockdown at the time.Wether you agree with it or not now thats a different matter and i respect people are in different minds to myself for various reasons.

No, I think at that point lockdown was the only thing that they could think of because of the worry about the NHS. But my point is that ridiculous predictions about an 80% infection rate did not help with early decision making by the govt.  Across the entire world, even now after months, the infection rate is about 1 or 2%.  Arguably, lockdown or not, and I appreciate we didn't know back then, we would have seen a similar infection rate but over a quicker period. 

Without an ounce of shame, however, the self same scientists are back with their outlandish predictions about mythical 2nd waves being 2.3 times worse. It beggars belief. 

[vegas-voss]

17 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

No, I think at that point lockdown was the only thing that they could think of because of the worry about the NHS. But my point is that ridiculous predictions about an 80% infection rate did not help with early decision making by the govt.  Across the entire world, even now after months, the infection rate is about 1 or 2%.  Arguably, lockdown or not, and I appreciate we didn't know back then, we would have seen a similar infection rate but over a quicker period. 

Without an ounce of shame, however, the self same scientists are back with their outlandish predictions about mythical 2nd waves being 2.3 times worse. It beggars belief. 

There is no 2nd wave its still the same virus lurking.This whole 2nd wave is headline grabbing stuff there are spikes and clusters though and thats cause the virus has never gone away.

 

I dont know how they should with deal with these clusters though i just hope they do it correct.

Edited August 6, 2020 by vegas-voss

[Cade]

The Sweden thing has been brought up time and time again, usually by the rabid right.

They did shite.

 

 

[XB52]

4 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Sweden

Modest lockdown. Schools remained open and economy largely unscathed. Outcome on deaths and infections no worse than many on full lockdown. The silly masks obsession recognised as at best unproven at worst damaging. The choice is not as simple or black and white as you suggest.

 

Try comparing them to their neighbouring countries.  Checked the stats. Sweden 8th worst death rates in the world, Finland 70th and Norway 148th. Yip almost identical records right enough

Edited August 6, 2020 by XB52

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, XB52 said:

Try comparing them to their neighbouring countries.  Checked the stats. Sweden 8th worst death rates in the world, Finland 70th and Norway 148th. Yip almost identical records right enough

Who said they had identical records? Sweden close to.England and Scotland though with a lot.less collateral damage.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Francis Albert

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

people comparing covid deaths versus covid deaths unqualified would be as well just saying :

 

”I don’t really understand the fundamentals of this”

 

 

[XB52]

1 minute ago, Francis Albert said:

Who said they had identical records? Sweden close to.Emglamd and D Orland though with a lot.less collateral damage.

You're just plucking countries out of the air to suit your argument, which is wrong. You must surely compare comparable countries if you want to see the difference between Lockdown or no Lockdown. As my facts show, Sweden were a nightmare compared to their neighbours

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

The Sweden thing has been brought up time and time again, usually by the rabid right.

They did shite.

 

 

England and Scotland did about equally shite as Sweden  on the narrow test of how many Covid 19 deaths and casrd. Sweden  may do.a lot less shite in the long run and have in other ways already suffered less. I am not sure why that is a "rabid right" view.

[Francis Albert]

5 minutes ago, XB52 said:

You're just plucking countries out of the air to suit your argument, which is wrong. You must surely compare comparable countries if you want to see the difference between Lockdown or no Lockdown. As my facts show, Sweden were a nightmare compared to their neighbours

How different is Sweden  from Svotland? 

And how different is Scotland from Norway and Denmark?

Or Portugal from Spain? Or Italy from Austria and Switzerland?

Comparisons based primarily on proximity are a wee bit 

... well simplistic?

 

 

[Pagey]

8 hours ago, milky_26 said:

i think your second bullet point might suggest how they got to under 60,000 new cases per day. following the trump methodology of them only having such a high number of cases because they are doing lots of tests

 

 I work for one of the main diagnostic lab players in US and we can't hire people quick enough to manage the demands for tests, both COVID and antibody testing. Demand is increasing, not decreasing in spite of what Trump wants to see happen with testing.

 

 

[Francis Albert]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

I always find its bit strange when people say Nicola Stirgeon and her government have been amazing. Yet England and Sweden are really shite🤷🏻‍♂️ 
 

We’re all ****ing relegation material, to use a football analogy. 
 

As has been said many times, the time to judge success of strategies will be down the line.
 

If people want to slag/dismiss the Swedes strategy I don’t think they have thought it through. 
 

They may have done pretty poor in many ways but their strategy has always been its here to stay and picked, in their ‘Science’ view the least damaging route.
 

Like most of the U.K.,they have done piss poor in direct deaths due to COVID. However, their  strategy is likely to lead to longer term benefits. They haven’t trashed their economy; weirdly the opposite. They will not have the detriment that lockdown countries face socially or economically and the consequential deaths. 
 

They will reap benefits longer term that no lock down country will 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

This was always a balancing act. They have taken a massive hit on the COVID deaths side, but they will be much better on the consequences side.

Their solution may well turn out better.

 

People dismissing their strategy on the basis of the immediate COVID death total are being incredibly short sighted and failing to understand the bigger picture imho. Just crazy political types who are driven by their biases 😂

Good post No-one knows what the future will bring. But would you have rather have spent the last 5 months  in  Sweden or locked down UK? Or prefer  the likely impact long term  on  Sweden or the UK?

It really isn't thatv simple.

 

 

Edited August 6, 2020 by Francis Albert

[Dawnrazor]

9 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Good post No-one knows what the future will bring. But would you have rather have spent the last 5 months  in Sweden or the UK?

 

 

 

[Walter Bishop]

Seem to be a bit of a shift in the media the past few days. 

 

Reports from Switzerland that the fatality rate will be as low as 0.1% to a high of 0.5%, stats from Ireland showing this year to have lowest excess deaths for past 5 years. 4 times as many cancer deaths in June in the UK and Nightingale hospitals are being dismantled in secret despite a supposed 2nd wave! 

 

People are starting to wake up! 

 

 

 

Research on covid deaths from Loughborough and Sheffield Universities  https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2020/july/new-approach-to-recording-covid-deaths/

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

How different is Sweden  from Svotland? 

And how different is Scotland from Norway and Denmark?

Or Portugal from Spain? Or Italy from Austria and Switzerland?

Comparisons based primarily on proximity are a wee bit 

... well simplistic?

 

 

Firstly and lastly, Scotland isn't an independent nation. 

 

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

I always find its bit strange when people say Nicola Stirgeon and her government have been amazing. Yet England and Sweden are really shite🤷🏻‍♂️ 
 

We’re all ****ing relegation material, to use a football analogy. 
 

As has been said many times, the time to judge success of strategies will be down the line.
 

If people want to slag/dismiss the Swedes strategy I don’t think they have thought it through. 
 

They may have done pretty poor in many ways but their strategy has always been its here to stay and picked, in their ‘Science’ view the least damaging route.
 

Like most of the U.K.,they have done piss poor in direct deaths due to COVID. However, their  strategy is likely to lead to longer term benefits. They haven’t trashed their economy; weirdly the opposite. They will not have the detriment that lockdown countries face socially or economically and the consequential deaths. 
 

They will reap benefits longer term that no lock down country will 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

This was always a balancing act. They have taken a massive hit on the COVID deaths side, but they will be much better on the consequences side.

Their solution may well turn out better.

 

People dismissing their strategy on the basis of the immediate COVID death total are being incredibly short sighted and failing to understand the bigger picture imho. Just crazy political types who are driven by their biases 😂

I'm sure NS and true Scottish government would have done far better with power independence brings. But let's kid on they had all the powers of an independent country and unfairly judge her and her government. 

 

Borders would've been closed and lockdown powers would be theirs from the off. But again, let's judge her unfairly, just cause Boris hasn't done great. Not a criticism because it's a fecking nightmare and folk on here wouldn't have a fecking clue what to do with the information put in front of them, while it changes every hour of every day. They'd shit themselves. 

 

I'll criticise Boris for catching it, his hand shaking shite and his truly disgusting attitude with Dominic Cummings. And by not sacking this lowlife peace of shite, if and when there is a second wave, this will be very interesting to see if he tries to tell England to stay at home.  It a fecking chance. 

 

 

Tested positive Deaths

Sweden 5,766

Scotland 2,491

England 41,686

Edited August 7, 2020 by ri Alban

[manaliveits105]

5 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

Swedish blondes are a bit of a myth though but worth bumping 

[XB52]

10 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

How different is Sweden  from Svotland? 

And how different is Scotland from Norway and Denmark?

Or Portugal from Spain? Or Italy from Austria and Switzerland?

Comparisons based primarily on proximity are a wee bit 

... well simplistic?

 

 

I give up, you will never change, just argue for the sake of it. Facts mean nothing to you and it's a waste of time to interact with you. 

[Unknown user]

[vegas-voss]

Looking like Leeds next to face Lockdown

[vegas-voss]

8 Aberdeen players to self isolate but SFA says game goes ahead 

[SE16 3LN]

22 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

8 Aberdeen players to self isolate but SFA says game goes ahead 

Apparently Joe Fitzpatrick said it would be fine.

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, Smithee said:

 

Correct.

 

4 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Swedish blondes are a bit of a myth though but worth bumping 

 

I've worked with a few.

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

Maybe one for the scientists

Can you get the coronavirus if a carrier farts as you catch it through breathing in their smell? Also if your not wearing a mask would the chances be higher? 

Also should jogging not be banned during this pandemic as lots of them are puffing and gasping for air as they trot by, some of them even passing wind all at the same time 

Edited August 7, 2020 by Ma Roon

[jack D and coke]

11 hours ago, Walter Bishop said:

Seem to be a bit of a shift in the media the past few days. 

 

Reports from Switzerland that the fatality rate will be as low as 0.1% to a high of 0.5%, stats from Ireland showing this year to have lowest excess deaths for past 5 years. 4 times as many cancer deaths in June in the UK and Nightingale hospitals are being dismantled in secret despite a supposed 2nd wave! 

 

People are starting to wake up! 

 

 

 

Research on covid deaths from Loughborough and Sheffield Universities  https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2020/july/new-approach-to-recording-covid-deaths/

 

 

 

All great news that👍🏼

[Victorian]

Wut?   Local lockdown restrictions in England?   Must be Boris over-reacting / showing off / being on a power trip / playing politics / just copying what Boris is doing... oh wait.

[TheOak88]

Aberdeen game cancelled at the request of SG. 

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

15 hours ago, jonesy said:

Seriously? I mean I know our phones track us anywhere we go anyway, but identity cards are not the way to go. Just another way for innocent people to make a mistake and get fined. 

Come on, it is just to get us through this period. If anyone is so desperate to go to a pub then a bit of planning is all it takes and something to confirm your address isn't a big issue surely, identity card is something I didn't say anyway. We all love pubs and we wan't them to be places still open in the coming months, not if people go pub crawling and give false info they won't!

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

19 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

Aberdeen game cancelled at the request of SG. 

The FM fairly scathing of Aberdeen and the players involved, quite right too!

[Cade]

Get they disease riddled sheep shaggers ejected from the league

Edited August 7, 2020 by Cade

[Cade]

£252m to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax purposes. PPE not delivered
£186m to Uniserve. PPE not delivered
£116m to P14 Medical Supplies, with assets of just £145. PPE not delivered
£108m to PestFix, with just 16 employees. PPE not delivered
£107m to Clandeboye Agencies, a sweet wholesaler. Yes, a sweet wholesaler. PPE not delivered.
£40m to Medicine Box Ltd, with assets of just £6000. PPE not delivered.
£48m to Initia Ventures Ltd, which registered itself as “dormant” in March. PPE not delivered.
£28m to Monarch Acoustics, which makes shop furniture. PPE not delivered
£25m to Luxe Lifestyle, which has no employees, no assets, and no turnover. PPE not delivered
£18m to Aventis Solutions, which has total assets of £332. Not a typo, £332. PPE not delivered
£10m to Medco Solutions, incorporated just 3 days after lockdown, with share capital of (not a typo) £2. PPE not delivered
In all, approx £1bn to inexplicable suppliers for PPE that hasn’t been delivered

 

All contracts awarded without any kind of tendering or legal process due to the emergency powers the government handed itself to deal with covid-19.

This is a shocking display of robbery.

Many of these companies are shells and owned by advisers to various government ministers.

Blatant theft of public funds.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Cade

[GinRummy]

19 minutes ago, Cade said:

£252m to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax purposes. PPE not delivered
£186m to Uniserve. PPE not delivered
£116m to P14 Medical Supplies, with assets of just £145. PPE not delivered
£108m to PestFix, with just 16 employees. PPE not delivered
£107m to Clandeboye Agencies, a sweet wholesaler. Yes, a sweet wholesaler. PPE not delivered.
£40m to Medicine Box Ltd, with assets of just £6000. PPE not delivered.
£48m to Initia Ventures Ltd, which registered itself as “dormant” in March. PPE not delivered.
£28m to Monarch Acoustics, which makes shop furniture. PPE not delivered
£25m to Luxe Lifestyle, which has no employees, no assets, and no turnover. PPE not delivered
£18m to Aventis Solutions, which has total assets of £332. Not a typo, £332. PPE not delivered
£10m to Medco Solutions, incorporated just 3 days after lockdown, with share capital of (not a typo) £2. PPE not delivered
In all, approx £1bn to inexplicable suppliers for PPE that hasn’t been delivered

 

All contracts awarded without any kind of tendering or legal process due to the emergency powers the government handed itself to deal with covid-19.

This is a shocking display of robbery.

Many of these companies are shells and owned by advisers to various government ministers.

Blatant theft of public funds.

That is dynamite. Where are you getting it from?

[Governor Tarkin]

54 minutes ago, Cade said:

£252m to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax purposes. PPE not delivered
£186m to Uniserve. PPE not delivered
£116m to P14 Medical Supplies, with assets of just £145. PPE not delivered
£108m to PestFix, with just 16 employees. PPE not delivered
£107m to Clandeboye Agencies, a sweet wholesaler. Yes, a sweet wholesaler. PPE not delivered.
£40m to Medicine Box Ltd, with assets of just £6000. PPE not delivered.
£48m to Initia Ventures Ltd, which registered itself as “dormant” in March. PPE not delivered.
£28m to Monarch Acoustics, which makes shop furniture. PPE not delivered
£25m to Luxe Lifestyle, which has no employees, no assets, and no turnover. PPE not delivered
£18m to Aventis Solutions, which has total assets of £332. Not a typo, £332. PPE not delivered
£10m to Medco Solutions, incorporated just 3 days after lockdown, with share capital of (not a typo) £2. PPE not delivered
In all, approx £1bn to inexplicable suppliers for PPE that hasn’t been delivered

 

All contracts awarded without any kind of tendering or legal process due to the emergency powers the government handed itself to deal with covid-19.

This is a shocking display of robbery.

Many of these companies are shells and owned by advisers to various government ministers.

Blatant theft of public funds.

 

If true, this is the type of stuff that should spark bloody revolution.

[Francis Albert]

7 hours ago, XB52 said:

I give up, you will never change, just argue for the sake of it. Facts mean nothing to you and it's a waste of time to interact with you. 

You seem to think the fact that Sweden has had a much higher rate of cases and deaths than Norway and Denmark proves something. It is just one fact (which I don't dispute) among many. My recent posts have basically all been making the point that there is little about the Covid19 outbreak and the response to it that "proves" anything. Wait a few years and we may have some "proofs". Or at least better informed opinions. I can't say I am going to miss interacting with you too much.