Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

How on earth can local councils decide on football numbers?

 

 

 

[Jamboross]

4 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

How on earth can local councils decide on football numbers?

 

Is that true? Missed Sturgeons briefing.

 

I would imagine it is tied to the fact that it's councils that issue safety certificates for stadiums (this isn't a COVID thing, they always have). 

 

She said its only a temporary measure that clubs will continue to have to apply for attendances over 5000 so I'd imagine we'll be back to unregulated full houses within a few weeks. 

[frankblack]

Just now, Sooperstar said:

They already have been, but there is no consistency which can only be put down to a lack of clear and proper guidance from the Scottish Government.

 

Its called passing the buck so that they don't carry the can for the negative publicity.

[Ron Burgundy]

Just now, Sooperstar said:

They already have been, but there is no consistency which can only be put down to a lack of clear and proper guidance from the Government.

I knew they had previously but cannot fathom out how they are still continuing to be allowed that sort of power.

Incredible cowardice from the government..

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I'm sure you will.

 

There'll be some other Facebook/Twitter driven conspiracy for you to latch onto and rack up another 9k of posts. 

No don’t think so . Remember this issue severely restricted everyone’s liberty and freedoms as well as health director was worth posting about it , irrespective of whether it was a pile of pish I posted . ! I’ll go go less controversial threads in tags future but no doubt there will be the usual suspects looking for a square go about even the most asinine of topics ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Its called passing the buck so that they don't carry the can for the negative publicity.

Cowardice , this has been a feature of her hiding behind the curtains approach and see what happens in England first , so nothing new really . Anyway it’s a positive day with good news on the whole . Party time next week ! Festival / fringe back on , and someone’s birthday too . Well played Nicola .👍

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats. Today had more or less the same number of infections as a week ago, there being a mixed bag among the authorities. The Lanarkshires look a bit too firm at the top there while North Ayrshire jumped significantly. The 7-day positivity rate has increased for the first time in a while, probably due to the marked reduction in tests today compared to last Tuesday (13,704 vs 20,594). Orkney was on target to show zero cases in the last 7 days today but recorded 1 infection.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			1 Aug	31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		145	145	0		149	152	158	159	166	...	22
Inverclyde	4	223	223	0		225	222	219	186	186	...	15
South Lanarkshire	4	209	203	+6		208	201	202	194	189	...	18
North Lanarkshire	4	200	196	+4		192	203	206	206	217	...	40
West Dunbartonshire	4	194	207	-13		221	216	223	229	232	...	28
West Lothian	4	193	186	+7		187	187	181	174	187	...	26
North Ayrshire	4	176	156	+20		165	168	174	157	164	...	17
Midlothian	4	164	175	-11		160	166	176	176	180	...	10
Clackmannanshire	4	154	168	-14		174	183	199	193	189	...	14
Fife	4	153	149	+4		154	161	164	162	167	...	32
East Lothian	4	152	158	-6		157	169	192	196	216	...	5
Glasgow City	4	152	160	-8		169	175	185	187	206	...	33
Dundee City	3	147	149	-2		155	161	165	165	170	...	13
East Dunbartonshire	3	146	140	+6		131	119	108	106	111	...	51
Stirling	3	145	151	-6		163	172	158	158	171	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	143	196	-53		208	204	223	230	238	...	0
Edinburgh City	3	142	133	+9		140	148	153	159	173	...	27
Dumfries & Galloway	3	142	134	+8		140	144	138	133	121	...	19
South Ayrshire	3	140	146	-6		143	141	139	130	134	...	25
Aberdeen City	3	135	138	-3		141	141	144	141	148	...	13
Renfrewshire	3	128	133	-5		135	132	137	147	152	...	20
East Ayrshire	3	122	120	+2		122	126	137	141	156	...	45
East Renfrewshire	3	118	128	-10		122	113	120	136	148	...	24
Falkirk	3	111	123	-12		131	140	146	149	152	...	23
Scottish Borders	3	106	102	+4		107	118	133	141	144	...	6
Angus	3	99	98	+1		113	115	112	116	119	...	7
Highland	3	96	96	0		105	105	123	130	121	...	9
Perth & Kinross	3	94	95	-1		95	99	104	104	116	...	22
Aberdeenshire	3	90	90	0		93	83	85	94	99	...	8
Argyll & Bute	3	84	84	0		107	115	114	114	130	...	7
Moray	3	78	89	-11		96	103	109	121	129	...	65
Shetland Islands	3	66	79	-13		74	83	96	122	122	...	0
Orkney Islands	1	4	9	-5		9	27	36	40	49	...	0
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			1 Aug	31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		22746	23730	-984		23705	23296	23458	23430	23373	...	18484
Cases		1129	1133	-4		1161	1190	1232	1239	1300	...	171
Positivity rate %		5.5	5.3	+0.2		5.4	5.7	5.8	5.9	6.2	...	1.1
Deaths		7.1	6.9	+0.2		6.7	6.3	6.6	6.6	7.9	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19422	19509	-87		18909	18635	19016	18891	18716	...	45346
1st Dose		1936	1981	-45		1994	2104	2179	2213	2261	...	6677
2nd Dose		17486	17528	-42		16915	16531	16837	16678	16455	...	38669
All in hospital		445	455	-10		464	473	477	482	481	...	81
Non-ICU		384	393	-9		402	410	415	420	420	...	70
ICU		61	62	-1		62	63	62	62	61	...	11

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[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon has lost the plot 

 

Why the feck do you have to consult the local council for permission to have a full stadium?

We all know the track record that EDC has 

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

He's beyond any reason but it's useful to burst his bubble every so often.  

Give me a shout when you manage it.

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

He's beyond any reason but it's useful to burst his bubble every so often.  

Give me a shout if you ever manage to achieve that lofty ambition 😉

[Enzo Chiefo]

3 hours ago, Gizmo said:

Do you think he ever stops to recognize his inbuilt biases and critically analyses his own thinking to ensure he actually is a critical thinker? Do you think he absorbs a range of material from a variety of sources to reach a position or just grabs the next piece of supporting evidence? As a critical thinker, does Enzo here ever take the time to step into the perspective of others - or does he just form a blanket "not like me ergo they must be conformist, cowering sheeple" judgement on people who do not share his particular outlook?
 

No worries Victorian, I think I have my answers. 

Beyond parody Gizmo🤣

[Enzo Chiefo]

37 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

 

you've been calling experts names all over this thread for a year and a half - nice to see you acknowledge the obvious

Aah, the beloved "experts". Your unrelenting devotion to them has been a feature of this thread. Still, giving them POA over your thought process and decision making abilities is, of course, your choice.

Anyway, that concludes our dealings.👍

[theshed]

Sorry if has been mentioned but am I right I’m saying you still have to do this track and trace nonsense when going into a pub or restaurant plus wear a mask when inside? 

[mrmarkus1981]

Very little on the return of staff to the office.

 

So bu**er it, 23rd August it is.

[westbow]

Is there any word on what the conditions are going to be to end mandatory wearing of masks? Having to police this gives me considerable arse-ache.

[Francis Albert]

4 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

There's much to pick apart in that first paragraph FA but I honestly can't be arsed as discussions with you become attritional, particularly when your starting point is that jaundiced. 

 

It might shock you to find that experts disagree or offer different advice on just about everything. The SAGE advisory groups covered all manner of from epidemiology, virology, behavioural science, business etc so by default you'll have a wide variety of different/contradictory opinions filtering into the Cabinet/SG to ultimately make the decisions to protect the population. 

On your last paragraph why on earth  would it shock me to to find that experts disagree? The main thrust of my second paragraph was that governments always face disagreements among their advisors and conflicting advice and indeed advice on very different matters (eg health vs economic impacts) and it is up to Boris and his government to make decisions and explain them (to Parliament if it had been much involved). Not delegate to a select bunch of his advisers to debate with or influence the media and public. Or instruct them to do his job in selling his decisions to the media and the public if that is what he did (as others have alleged). 

 

Does "attritional" mean disagreeing with or arguing with you?

Edited August 3, 2021 by Francis Albert

[Adam_the_legend]

1 hour ago, Beni said:

 

But you said he was still a member of SAGE, sitting on an advisory sub-committee isn't the same thing.

If you look at how SAGE works it is though. NERVTAG and SPIM both feed in to SAGE and could reasonably be considered part of it. It feels like semantics at this point tbh so if you disagree fair enough. 

[redjambo]

1 hour ago, Mysterion said:

 

 

Thanks for posting this - always come for a quick look at this thread to see the stats. 

Travelling tabby's site is also tremendous for visualising data but i do find that Tony McKelvie puts up a good graph daily that's informative. 

 

https://twitter.com/TonyMcKelvie/status/1422547560842121225?s=20

 

Many thanks for the heads-up on the Tony McKelvie graph, Mysterion.

[Brighton Jambo]

43 minutes ago, theshed said:

Sorry if has been mentioned but am I right I’m saying you still have to do this track and trace nonsense when going into a pub or restaurant plus wear a mask when inside? 

Yes that’s right but remember todays announcement was about the removal of restrictions and life getting back to normal. An absolute shambles.  Night clubs with masks on, have you ever heard of anything more nonsensical.  

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Yes that’s right but remember todays announcement was about the removal of restrictions and life getting back to normal. An absolute shambles.  Night clubs with masks on, have you ever heard of anything more nonsensical.  

The masks in nightclubs surely is the most ludicrous restriction in the last 16months . Surely this will be changed by next week ? If not it will only confirm what an utter shambles of a govt we have had who have “ led “ us through this pandemic ! 

[Francis Albert]

22 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

If you look at how SAGE works it is though. NERVTAG and SPIM both feed in to SAGE and could reasonably be considered part of it. It feels like semantics at this point tbh so if you disagree fair enough. 

I doubt his role and influence changed much at all after his "demotion".  His public profile certainly didn't.

[Dennis Reynolds]

 

 

For all you nightclub go-ers 👍

 

 

[Victorian]

56 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Give me a shout if you ever manage to achieve that lofty ambition 😉

 

You've been filleted on many occasions by a number of posters,  albeit advantaged by the gift of a full compliment of marbles.

[The Real Maroonblood]

8 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

Yes that’s right but remember todays announcement was about the removal of restrictions and life getting back to normal. An absolute shambles.  Night clubs with masks on, have you ever heard of anything more nonsensical.  

I’m disappointed about the nightclub scenario but I’ll just have to put up with it.

[Nucky Thompson]

Sturgeon strangling the Scottish economy, putting up silly barriers for businesses to function properly.

 

Thank feck, I only work and sleep in Scotland and socialise in England.

 

I'm now going to apply for the facemask exemption that I'm entitled to.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon strangling the Scottish economy, putting up silly barriers for businesses to function properly.

 

Thank feck, I only work and sleep in Scotland and socialise in England.

 

I'm now going to apply for the facemask exemption that I'm entitled to.

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

You've been filleted on many occasions by a number of posters,  albeit advantaged by the gift of a full compliment of marbles.

🤣🤣🤣. On here?. 🤣.

I'll send the sheep dog out to round 'em all in.

I do enjoy the badinage on here but there are limits. 😂

[Ron Burgundy]

21 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

I’m disappointed about the nightclub scenario but I’ll just have to put up with it.

Me too.

 

I refuse to do The Slosh with a mask on.

 

However if folk are doing the Oops up side yer head dance technically they will be sitting down in a line so are exempt.

[Guest]

Despite the evidence in England showing dropping numbers with no restrictions, we still have restrictions in  - what is it now? -  The 7th level of the 5 level system? 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Jonkel Hoon

[The Real Maroonblood]

6 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Me too.

 

I refuse to do The Slosh with a mask on.

 

However if folk are doing the Oops up side yer head dance technically they will be sitting down in a line so are exempt.

😀

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Aah, the beloved "experts". Your unrelenting devotion to them has been a feature of this thread. Still, giving them POA over your thought process and decision making abilities is, of course, your choice.

Anyway, that concludes our dealings.👍

 

See, the thing is Enzo, no I haven't.

 

I've pretty much kept out of it, I haven't given opinions on what should be happening, what shouldn't, what I think of experts or their opinions or anything like that.

 

All I'm doing is pointing out that you can't think your way out of a paper bag, yet claim to be a critical thinker and pointing out that well educated, intelligent people who've dedicated their lives to their specialities know more than utter, utter gobshites.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Francis Albert said:

On your last paragraph why on earth  would it shock me to to find that experts disagree? The main thrust of my second paragraph was that governments always face disagreements among their advisors and conflicting advice and indeed advice on very different matters (eg health vs economic impacts) and it is up to Boris and his government to make decisions and explain them (to Parliament if it had been much involved). Not delegate to a select bunch of his advisers to debate with or influence the media and public. Or instruct them to do his job in selling his decisions to the media and the public if that is what he did (as others have alleged). 

 

Does "attritional" mean disagreeing with or arguing with you?

Attritional means the Good Friday Agreement FA. 

If I'm lucky I've got maybe 30 years left to live which wouldn't be enough time to close the debate with you. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, LMc said:

 

 

For all you nightclub go-ers 👍

 

 

Yeeee haaa surely this should have been clarified today anyway ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

56 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

I imagine so, it’s not practicable. It’s not even just nightclubs in fairness. What are people going to do at weddings and similar. Can the bride mask up for her first dance🙈

 

I imagine clarity around numerous issue will be coming in the next week as they tried to think of the practicalities. Albeit, it’s disappointing the practicalities have been figured out, considering how long this pish has been going on. 
 

 

Exactly . What are her advisors getting paid for ? One would assume all this little important details would be part of the announcement today , or at least detailed online somewhere . Absolutely hopeless really . The track and trace pish will be a logistical nightmare too for night clubs really , if they have a large capacity . Hopeless 

[Enzo Chiefo]

30 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

See, the thing is Enzo, no I haven't.

 

I've pretty much kept out of it, I haven't given opinions on what should be happening, what shouldn't, what I think of experts or their opinions or anything like that.

 

All I'm doing is pointing out that you can't think your way out of a paper bag, yet claim to be a critical thinker and pointing out that well educated, intelligent people who've dedicated their lives to their specialities know more than utter, utter gobshites.

There certainly aren't many bigger gobshites than yourself. Your stock in trade seems to be dishing out cheap insults on an internet forum. So, given your inability to debate intelligently, you're best to jog on.

[Byyy The Light]

12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly . What are her advisors getting paid for ? One would assume all this little important details would be part of the announcement today , or at least detailed online somewhere . Absolutely hopeless really . The track and trace pish will be a logistical nightmare too for night clubs really , if they have a large capacity . Hopeless 

Track and trace is a dodo 🦤 A complete waste of time 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

Track and trace is a dodo 🦤 A complete waste of time 

Most places are paying Lip service to it In my experience 

[Unknown user]

6 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

There certainly aren't many bigger gobshites than yourself. Your stock in trade seems to be dishing out cheap insults on an internet forum. So, given your inability to debate intelligently, you're best to jog on.

 

Attack all you like Enzo, you made it up.

[Francis Albert]

44 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Attritional means the Good Friday Agreement FA. 

If I'm lucky I've got maybe 30 years left to live which wouldn't be enough time to close the debate with you. 

Given how you "debate" it certainly wouldn't be.

[Beni]

21 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

Track and trace is a dodo 🦤 A complete waste of 37 billion quid.

 

Ftfy.

[Byyy The Light]

Just now, Beni said:

 

Ftfy.

 

Couldn't bring myself to type that. Can feel my blood pressure rising.

[DETTY29]

27 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

Track and trace is a dodo 🦤 A complete waste of time 

Yip

 

 

When the public believe it knows best, shit happens.

[Savage Vince]

30 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

There certainly aren't many bigger gobshites than yourself. Your stock in trade seems to be dishing out cheap insults on an internet forum. 

 

 

Absolutely ****ing incredible. 😁😁😁

[Byyy The Light]

Just now, DETTY29 said:

Yip

 

 

When the public believe it knows best, shit happens.

 

When you get contacted 6 days in to a 10 day isolation period the horse has bolted.

 

 

[Beni]

4 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

 

Couldn't bring myself to type that. Can feel my blood pressure rising.

 

Ah ok, sorry. 😄 

It might not have helped much in combating the pandemic but friends/family/pub landlords of cabinet members are financially secure for generations to come, so swings and roundabouts.

[The Mighty Thor]

12 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Given how you "debate" it certainly wouldn't be.

👍

[Byyy The Light]

2 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

Ah ok, sorry. 😄 

It might not have helped much in combating the pandemic but friends/family/pub landlords of cabinet members are financially secure for generations to come, so swings and roundabouts.

 

😄 which is why we can all sleep easy forever more 

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Yeeee haaa surely this should have been clarified today anyway ! 

 

Yeah, probably. To me at least, it seems like she's trying to go down the one rule for all route when the shoe doesn't fit anymore. Things need to adapt. A bit like the tiers that became largely redundant. Will be interesting to see what the guidance says though when it's released. I suspect masks in nightclubs won't be a thing. After a wander through Princes Street going home at closing time after the game on Saturday I've decided I'm too old for clubs anyway. Some sights. The young team are wild.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

Yeah, probably. To me at least, it seems like she's trying to go down the one rule for all route when the shoe doesn't fit anymore. Things need to adapt. A bit like the tiers that became largely redundant. Will be interesting to see what the guidance says though when it's released. I suspect masks in nightclubs won't be a thing. After a wander through Princes Street going home at closing time after the game on Saturday I've decided I'm too old for clubs anyway. Some sights. The young team are wild.

 

Oh we still go now and then , depends how the night is going and if the “vibe” is there . It’s good to have the option which is the more important principle 

[henryheart]

2 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

I imagine so, it’s not practicable. It’s not even just nightclubs in fairness. What are people going to do at weddings and similar. Can the bride mask up for her first dance🙈

 

I imagine clarity around numerous issue will be coming in the next week as they tried to think of the practicalities. Albeit, it’s disappointing the practicalities have been figured out, considering how long this pish has been going on. 
 

 

 

That's the way it works. They announce changes, vaguely, to sound out public opinion before finalising plans. They then rely on the comments of those with experience in the sector affected before making sure that the detail is that little bit different from what is happening in England. Simple.