Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Seymour M Hersh]

Is Australia reverting back to a penal colony?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9854585/Coronavirus-Australia-Elderly-QLD-man-collapses-hes-arrested-not-wearing-face-mask.html

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Do you think he ever stops to recognize his inbuilt biases and critically analyses his own thinking to ensure he actually is a critical thinker? Do you think he absorbs a range of material from a variety of sources to reach a position or just grabs the next piece of supporting evidence? As a critical thinker, does Enzo here ever take the time to step into the perspective of others - or does he just form a blanket "not like me ergo they must be conformist, cowering sheeple" judgement on people who do not share his particular outlook?
 

No worries Victorian, I think I have my answers. 

 

He's beyond any reason but it's useful to burst his bubble every so often.  

[Adam_the_legend]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Thought Ferguson resigned from his Government advisory role last year when he got caught breaking lockdown rules visiting his lover or something, so unless he's back in the fold now, then his 100k comment was his own personal thoughts and is not connected with the Government.

A Government minister (can't remember which one) repeated the 100k claim and from there it grew arms & legs, into people thinking Government policy was based on this 100k claim.

 

Happy to be proven wrong, but that's what I think has happened here with this 100k claim.

Hes still a member of SAGE and still advising the government through that body. 

[Beni]

7 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

Hes still a member of SAGE and still advising the government through that body. 

 

Got a link for that? 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-from-sage-after-breaking-lockdown-rules-11983702

[Fxxx the SPFL]

12 minutes ago, Beni said:

 

Got a link for that? 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-from-sage-after-breaking-lockdown-rules-11983702

if he's not in SAGE why the feck does he get airtime

[Beni]

4 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said:

if he's not in SAGE why the feck does he get airtime

 

Probably just to noise up the critical thinkers, and to be fair he's got that down to a T.

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 3 August 2021

Summary

• 1,016 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+217; down from 1,044 a week ago]
• 13,704 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results [-103]
  • 8.1% of these were positive [+1.6%]
• 9 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive [+8]
• 61 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [+1]
• 406 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [-1]
• 4,014,212 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,231,331 have received their second dose [+1,716; +16,530]

[Dennis Reynolds]

 

 

 

[Beni]

15 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9076215/amp/Did-No10-lie-Professor-Lockdown-quitting-SAGE.html

 

He may have resigned from sage but don’t think he ever stopped advising in real terms. 

 

 

 

To be fair to the poster I responded to he said Ferguson was still on Sage and advising them, so he might be half right.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Beni said:

 

To be fair to the poster I responded to he said Ferguson was still on Sage and advising them, so he might be half right.

👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

Oh well that’s that then . Still muzzling people , in particular young people over 12 in schools but most of the others restrictions lifted . 
 

Venues of over 2000 still require authorisation from local authorities. Football grounds too . 
 

Some noise made about covid vaccine passports but “ May “ be ethical issues to this ( in other words wait to see what happens in England first with them ) 

In summary , it’s over . 

[redjambo]

The latest trend stats. Today had more or less the same number of infections as a week ago, there being a mixed bag among the authorities. The Lanarkshires look a bit too firm at the top there while North Ayrshire jumped significantly. The 7-day positivity rate has increased for the first time in a while, probably due to the marked reduction in tests today compared to last Tuesday (13,704 vs 20,594). Orkney was on target to show zero cases in the last 7 days today but recorded 1 infection.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			1 Aug	31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		145	145	0		149	152	158	159	166	...	22
Inverclyde	4	223	223	0		225	222	219	186	186	...	15
South Lanarkshire	4	209	203	+6		208	201	202	194	189	...	18
North Lanarkshire	4	200	196	+4		192	203	206	206	217	...	40
West Dunbartonshire	4	194	207	-13		221	216	223	229	232	...	28
West Lothian	4	193	186	+7		187	187	181	174	187	...	26
North Ayrshire	4	176	156	+20		165	168	174	157	164	...	17
Midlothian	4	164	175	-11		160	166	176	176	180	...	10
Clackmannanshire	4	154	168	-14		174	183	199	193	189	...	14
Fife	4	153	149	+4		154	161	164	162	167	...	32
East Lothian	4	152	158	-6		157	169	192	196	216	...	5
Glasgow City	4	152	160	-8		169	175	185	187	206	...	33
Dundee City	3	147	149	-2		155	161	165	165	170	...	13
East Dunbartonshire	3	146	140	+6		131	119	108	106	111	...	51
Stirling	3	145	151	-6		163	172	158	158	171	...	11
Na h-Eileanan Siar	3	143	196	-53		208	204	223	230	238	...	0
Edinburgh City	3	142	133	+9		140	148	153	159	173	...	27
Dumfries & Galloway	3	142	134	+8		140	144	138	133	121	...	19
South Ayrshire	3	140	146	-6		143	141	139	130	134	...	25
Aberdeen City	3	135	138	-3		141	141	144	141	148	...	13
Renfrewshire	3	128	133	-5		135	132	137	147	152	...	20
East Ayrshire	3	122	120	+2		122	126	137	141	156	...	45
East Renfrewshire	3	118	128	-10		122	113	120	136	148	...	24
Falkirk	3	111	123	-12		131	140	146	149	152	...	23
Scottish Borders	3	106	102	+4		107	118	133	141	144	...	6
Angus	3	99	98	+1		113	115	112	116	119	...	7
Highland	3	96	96	0		105	105	123	130	121	...	9
Perth & Kinross	3	94	95	-1		95	99	104	104	116	...	22
Aberdeenshire	3	90	90	0		93	83	85	94	99	...	8
Argyll & Bute	3	84	84	0		107	115	114	114	130	...	7
Moray	3	78	89	-11		96	103	109	121	129	...	65
Shetland Islands	3	66	79	-13		74	83	96	122	122	...	0
Orkney Islands	1	4	9	-5		9	27	36	40	49	...	0
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			1 Aug	31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		22746	23730	-984		23705	23296	23458	23430	23373	...	18484
Cases		1129	1133	-4		1161	1190	1232	1239	1300	...	171
Positivity rate %		5.5	5.3	+0.2		5.4	5.7	5.8	5.9	6.2	...	1.1
Deaths		7.1	6.9	+0.2		6.7	6.3	6.6	6.6	7.9	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19422	19509	-87		18909	18635	19016	18891	18716	...	45346
1st Dose		1936	1981	-45		1994	2104	2179	2213	2261	...	6677
2nd Dose		17486	17528	-42		16915	16531	16837	16678	16455	...	38669
All in hospital		445	455	-10		464	473	477	482	481	...	81
Non-ICU		384	393	-9		402	410	415	420	420	...	70
ICU		61	62	-1		62	63	62	62	61	...	11

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

What’s the situation with schools? Still masked in school? Any word on isolation strategy in relation to under 18’s and school. 
 

They need to have something that maintains kids education. Constant isolation of classes and year groups needs addressed. 

Yes still masked in schools if over 12 kids and teachers . However  She is “ very sorry” about this so that makes it ok . I didn’t listen to the rest so can’t comment on the other issues 

Edited August 3, 2021 by JamesM48

[Footballfirst]

1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

What’s the situation with schools? Still masked in school? Any word on isolation strategy in relation to under 18’s and school. 
 

They need to have something that maintains kids education. Constant isolation of classes and year groups needs addressed. 

Indoor mask requirements are being maintained in all settings (by law)

 

Isolation will be restricted by allowing pupils who test negative (PCR) to return to class

[Dazo]

3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Indoor mask requirements are being maintained in all settings (by law)

 

Isolation will be restricted by allowing pupils who test negative (PCR) to return to class

It’s all a bit contradictory. No social distancing but wear a mask. 🙄

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Dazo said:

It’s all a bit contradictory. No social distancing but wear a mask. 🙄

Control ! What about indoor pubs ? Do you still have to wear a mask in them ? It wasn’t clear . A few pubs are now asking for clarification . 

[milky_26]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

Thanks. 
 

Didn’t appreciate mask wearing was still going to be mandatory indoors 

 

At least the downtime for kids should be minimised, which is something I guess 

from bbc article

 

However, the wearing of face coverings in some public spaces will continue.

This will include secondary schools, where staff will need to maintain 1m (3ft 3in) physical distancing for the first six weeks of term and twice-weekly testing will be required.

[Footballfirst]

5 minutes ago, Dazo said:

It’s all a bit contradictory. No social distancing but wear a mask. 🙄

Particularly for nightclubs.  They can now open, but you stall have to be masked if not seated.

 

Reminds you of the Liver Birds

"you dancing?"  "you masking?"  " I'm masking" "I'm dancing"

 

 

[Dazo]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

Particularly for nightclubs.  They can now open, but you stall have to be masked if not seated.

 

Reminds you of the Liver Birds

"you dancing?"  "you masking?"  " I'm masking" "I'm dancing"

 

 

😂😂😂

 

Not just nightclubs what about standing at the bar having a pint ? Or no seats so standing in a bar having a pint. 

[Footballfirst]

23 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Venues of over 2000 still require authorisation from local authorities. Football grounds too . 

The over 2,000 restriction has gone up to 5,000. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

Particularly for nightclubs.  They can now open, but you stall have to be masked if not seated.

 

Reminds you of the Liver Birds

"you dancing?"  "you masking?"  " I'm masking" "I'm dancing"

 

 

Absolutely ludicrous really , particularly with people have had a skin full in a night club , the bouncers will be tossing everyone out . It’s also just a stupid silly rule to

be that bit different from England . It’s Almost unenforceable 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, Footballfirst said:

The over 2,000 restriction has gone up to 5,000. 

👍

[Adam_the_legend]

1 hour ago, Beni said:

 

Got a link for that? 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-from-sage-after-breaking-lockdown-rules-11983702

There’s plenty out there but here’s an excerpt from his wiki page as a starter for 10. 
 

Resignation from SAGEEdit

On 5 May 2020, it emerged that Ferguson had resigned from his position as a government advisor on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies(SAGE) committee after admitting to "undermining" the government's messages on social distancing by meeting up with a woman.^[63][64][65] The Telegraphreported that the woman had visited his home at least two times. After resigning, Ferguson said "I acted in the belief that I was immune, having tested positive for coronavirus and completely isolated myself for almost two weeks after developing symptoms", adding that he regretted undermining "clear messages" about the need for social distancing. The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Matt Hancock, said that he was right to resign from his advisory position.^[66] Ferguson did not receive a fine or prosecution for his actions, as at the time it was not illegal as he had not left his home;^[67] this legal loophole was later closed.^[68] It was subsequently revealed that Ferguson had remained a member of the SAGE sub-committee NERVTAG and continued to contribute to the advisory committee SPI-M.^[69]

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Dazo said:

😂😂😂

 

Not just nightclubs what about standing at the bar having a pint ? Or no seats so standing in a bar having a pint. 

It’s not clear at all . I want pubs back to pre covid days ! Beyond any zero restrictions . What is the point of standing at a bar with your mask on then taking it off every couple minutes to take a sip of your pint or cocktail 👍😀

[Dennis Reynolds]

Got a wedding at the end of the month so with social distancing now scrapped, they can have everyone they wanted. Chuffed for them.

 

Been a long time coming anyway and glad we seem to be at the end finally. 

[Nucky Thompson]

Sturgeon has lost the plot 

 

Why the feck do you have to consult the local council for permission to have a full stadium?

We all know the track record that EDC has 

[William H. Bonney]

4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon has lost the plot 

 

Why the feck do you have to consult the local council for permission to have a full stadium?

We all know the track record that EDC has 

Let’s just hope that Edinburgh council have some common sense ( I know). 

[frankblack]

1 minute ago, Furious Styles said:

Let’s just hope that Edinburgh council have some common sense ( I know). 

 

They will demand you build a new cycle path around Gorgie first.

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Sturgeon has lost the plot 

 

Why the feck do you have to consult the local council for permission to have a full stadium?

We all know the track record that EDC has 

It opens to door for bribery , brown envelopes and all. The mask wearing in pubs is utterly ludicrous too . Can’t she just let go of the power now ? She has had her 16 months of leadership . It’s over . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[milky_26]

4 minutes ago, Furious Styles said:

Let’s just hope that Edinburgh council have some common sense ( I know). 

we can have a fuyll capacity if we fund the remaining tram line

[Governor Tarkin]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

You're only allowed into the stadium if you carry a bike.

 

Could be tough. The Mrs has kept a hold of a few lbs since having the kids.

[Beni]

10 minutes ago, Adam_the_legend said:

There’s plenty out there but here’s an excerpt from his wiki page as a starter for 10. 
 

Resignation from SAGEEdit

On 5 May 2020, it emerged that Ferguson had resigned from his position as a government advisor on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies(SAGE) committee after admitting to "undermining" the government's messages on social distancing by meeting up with a woman.^[63][64][65] The Telegraphreported that the woman had visited his home at least two times. After resigning, Ferguson said "I acted in the belief that I was immune, having tested positive for coronavirus and completely isolated myself for almost two weeks after developing symptoms", adding that he regretted undermining "clear messages" about the need for social distancing. The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Matt Hancock, said that he was right to resign from his advisory position.^[66] Ferguson did not receive a fine or prosecution for his actions, as at the time it was not illegal as he had not left his home;^[67] this legal loophole was later closed.^[68] It was subsequently revealed that Ferguson had remained a member of the SAGE sub-committee NERVTAG and continued to contribute to the advisory committee SPI-M.^[69]

 

But you said he was still a member of SAGE, sitting on an advisory sub-committee isn't the same thing.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

we can have a fuyll capacity if we fund the remaining tram line

😂😂

4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

You're only allowed into the stadium if you carry a bike.

And a laptop 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Well Nice to see the clubs open again . However unsure how ill manage a “late” one now ! It’s going to be bizarre being in a packed place, music blaring , people crushing up against you , spilling your drink all over you, or over someone else , paying inflated prices for watered down drinks , struggling to  hear anyone talking to you , queuing up to go for a piss , getting a knock back from the bouncer cause your partner is barred from the venue !!! Cant wait 😂😂😂

Edited August 3, 2021 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, jonesy said:

He’s barred from Tynie 😎

[Mysterion]

44 minutes ago, redjambo said:

The latest trend stats. Today had more or less the same number of infections as a week ago, there being a mixed bag among the authorities. The Lanarkshires look a bit too firm at the top there while North Ayrshire jumped significantly. The 7-day positivity rate has increased for the first time in a while, probably due to the marked reduction in tests today compared to last Tuesday (13,704 vs 20,594). Orkney was on target to show zero cases in the last 7 days today but recorded 1 infection.

 

		7-day per-100,000 cases
Council Area	WHO	Today	Yesterday			1 Aug	31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	...	1 May
Scotland		145	145	0		149	152	158	159	166	...	22
7-day averages		Today	Yesterday			1 Aug	31 Jul	30 Jul	29 Jul	28 Jul	...	1 May
Tests		22746	23730	-984		23705	23296	23458	23430	23373	...	18484
Cases		1129	1133	-4		1161	1190	1232	1239	1300	...	171
Positivity rate %		5.5	5.3	+0.2		5.4	5.7	5.8	5.9	6.2	...	1.1
Deaths		7.1	6.9	+0.2		6.7	6.3	6.6	6.6	7.9	...	1.3
All Vaccinations		19422	19509	-87		18909	18635	19016	18891	18716	...	45346
1st Dose		1936	1981	-45		1994	2104	2179	2213	2261	...	6677
2nd Dose		17486	17528	-42		16915	16531	16837	16678	16455	...	38669
All in hospital		445	455	-10		464	473	477	482	481	...	81
Non-ICU		384	393	-9		402	410	415	420	420	...	70
ICU		61	62	-1		62	63	62	62	61	...	11

 

 

Thanks for posting this - always come for a quick look at this thread to see the stats. 

Travelling tabby's site is also tremendous for visualising data but i do find that Tony McKelvie puts up a good graph daily that's informative. 

 

https://twitter.com/TonyMcKelvie/status/1422547560842121225?s=20

[Sooperstar]

45 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Control ! What about indoor pubs ? Do you still have to wear a mask in them ? It wasn’t clear . A few pubs are now asking for clarification . 

Rules around  wearing of masks are unchanged. Fairly clear to me.

 

At this point you'd think it has to really be about making staff in shops, restaurants, bars etc feel comfortable. Or those who have to use public transport for example.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

So if your on the dance floor of a nightclub do you have to be masked up?
 

How are you expected to snort drugs and pull a fit random with face mask on. That’s what nightclubs are about🤷🏻‍♂️

Well least the uglies will have a 50% chance of scoring if half their face is covered up ? 😎 as for the drugs issue I’m sure there are other ways they can enter the blood stream 😎

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

So if your on the dance floor of a nightclub do you have to be masked up?
 

How are you expected to snort drugs and pull a fit random with face mask on. That’s what nightclubs are about🤷🏻‍♂️

 

There was a time when face masks full of Vicks was considered standard in nightclubs.

[JimmyCant]

27 minutes ago, Furious Styles said:

Let’s just hope that Edinburgh council have some common sense ( I know). 

They already authorised 17000 at Murrayfield and that was during restrictions. I see no justification whatsoever for not allowing full capacity or very close to it at Tynecastle and ER. No away fans most likely but that’s not a bad thing.

[The Mighty Thor]

3 minutes ago, Sooperstar said:

Rules around  wearing of masks are unchanged. Fairly clear to me.

 

At this point you'd think it has to really be about making staff in shops, restaurants, bars etc feel comfortable. Or those who have to use public transport for example.

No, it's not about something as human as other people's health and welfare.

 

It's all about hyperbole and having something to moan about. It's all about me. Me, me, me. 

 

There will be a huge void in some poeple's lives when this is all over.

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

as for the drugs issue I’m sure there are other ways they can enter the blood stream 😎

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/belladonna-and-opium-rectal-route/proper-use/drg-20075097?p=1

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

No, it's not about something as human as other people's health and welfare.

 

It's all about hyperbole and having something to moan about. It's all about me. Me, me, me. 

 

There will be a huge void in some poeple's lives when this is all over.

Yeah you’ll know about that . I for one can’t wait to see the end of this thread . I’m sure I’ll survive the “ void “ ! 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/belladonna-and-opium-rectal-route/proper-use/drg-20075097?p=1

Tried them , didn’t get much of a hit ! 

[Unknown user]

2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I think you can tell when people refer to "unqualified w***ers on the internet" that thinking is not their stong suit.

 

 

you've been calling experts names all over this thread for a year and a half - nice to see you acknowledge the obvious

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Oh well that’s that then . Still muzzling people , in particular young people over 12 in schools but most of the others restrictions lifted . 
 

Venues of over 2000 still require authorisation from local authorities. Football grounds too . 
 

Some noise made about covid vaccine passports but “ May “ be ethical issues to this ( in other words wait to see what happens in England first with them ) 

In summary , it’s over . 

 

One of the great ironies in this is that those who complain about getting muzzled haven't STFU for some considerable time now.

 

Shittest muzzles ever!

[Ron Burgundy]

How on earth can local councils decide on football numbers?

 

Is that true? Missed Sturgeons briefing.

[The Mighty Thor]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yeah you’ll know about that . I for one can’t wait to see the end of this thread . I’m sure I’ll survive the “ void “ ! 

I'm sure you will.

 

There'll be some other Facebook/Twitter driven conspiracy for you to latch onto and rack up another 9k of posts. 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

 

 

 

The **** in the middle could've been me tbf.

 

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

[Sooperstar]

6 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

How on earth can local councils decide on football numbers?

 

Is that true? Missed Sturgeons briefing.

They already have been, but there is no consistency which can only be put down to a lack of clear and proper guidance from the Scottish Government.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Sooperstar