martoon Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, Peebo said: Certainly one of Levein’s most horrendous signings. In the top 50, at least. 😂👍 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coco Posted January 8 A key part of our worst ever front pairing with Maclean. Lightweight upper body and heavy legged. Scared of his own shadow. A handful of goals in his football career. And Levein paid a transfer fee! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 8 25 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Think there was some offset with Jack Hamilton going to them. Yes, from memory I think £50k cash changed hands Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobboM Posted January 8 Personally I'd be gutted. He presented our certificates at the Plot Ceremony 🤨 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graygo Posted January 8 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: I think to look at a typical player over their career and break down their goals per game Wighton would resemble the stats of a goalkeeper. Not including freaks of nature geniuses like Ronaldo or Messi in that they score about 1:1 +, a striker can be proud if somewhere between 1:3. Wighton is about 1: 600. That's horrendous, obviously made up though. What's the real figure? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redjambo Posted January 8 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: I think to look at a typical player over their career and break down their goals per game Wighton would resemble the stats of a goalkeeper. Not including freaks of nature geniuses like Ronaldo or Messi in that they score about 1:1 +, a striker can be proud if somewhere between 1:3. Wighton is about 1: 600. Unlike you to exaggerate, i8. His overall stats are 11 goals scored in 139 games. Still awful, mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Wighton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbeat Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, Coco said: A key part of our worst ever front pairing with Maclean. Lightweight upper body and heavy legged. Scared of his own shadow. A handful of goals in his football career. And Levein paid a transfer fee! Interestingly enough through all the players that Stendel is either booting or criticising he took time to praise Mcleans application. He is never going to be the answer cos we got him too late but least that shows he is trying so maybe DS is weeding out the prima donas living on past glories. That may not apply to all but let's face it this bunch of keek got us on this situation so can hardly argue. Maybe a guy with the attitude McLean appears to have can help a new young striker ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord BJ Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Pants Shaton said: Can someone let me know what the acceptable hit rate is for speculative signings of promising / off the rails young players? 1 in 2? 1 in 4? I guess it only takes 1 to make the club a fortune. I suggest it needs to be better than 1 in 2. If it’s not you will end up with a squad which has more poor players than good players. That is what we have seen happen by in large at hearts. A lot of our signings have been high risk for all manners of reasons injuries, questionable track records, ageing players. This is a very dangerous strategy when dealing with limited budget. We need to be looking at likliehood of something happening. If anyone seriously thought Craig Wightin would come to Hearts and make us a fortune. I would really question their judgement. We also need to start judging decisions on their success, not just defending as it might of worked out fans would have done the same. Wighton has been a very poor signing as have a lot of our players. However, if you continually take chances on players it’s not surprising that failure occur as the likliehood of success decreases with every chance you take. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iantjambo Posted January 8 29 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: His body language oozed nervousness, too lightweight in mind and body and just looked way out his depth. No real hunger or tenacity and it leaves you wondering how he made it in the first place? A very unconvincing player which I doubt many Hearts fans thought “there’s something coming” in time. Probably understandable when the lad had arseholes in the crowd who couldn’t wait for him to make a mistake so they could get on his back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graygo Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, redjambo said: Unlike you to exaggerate, i8. His overall stats are 11 goals scored in 139 games. Still awful, mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Wighton A quick look shows 64 of those games were as sub, still not great though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Natural Orders Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Started off as a nominal 50k and rose steadily as it became apparent he wasn't good enough. Think it's around 300k just now. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-sign-craig-wighton-dundee-15085644 6 figure sum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted January 8 15 minutes ago, RobboM said: Personally I'd be gutted. He presented our certificates at the Plot Ceremony 🤨 He's not been a complete waste of money, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graygo Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-sign-craig-wighton-dundee-15085644 6 figure sum That says "undisclosed" then has someone's guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redjambo Posted January 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, graygo said: A quick look shows 64 of those games were as sub, still not great though. Yup. Here's some stats on goals per minute played. https://footystats.org/players/scotland/craig-wighton Adding the seasons' stats up, he's played 6400 minutes for the 11 goals, making 582 minutes for each goal. Edit: he's had 7 assists in that time. Edited January 8 by redjambo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graygo Posted January 8 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Yup. Here's some stats on goals per minute played. https://footystats.org/players/scotland/craig-wighton Adding the seasons' stats up, he's played 6400 minutes for the 11 goals, making 582 minutes for each goal. So around 1 goal every 6 games, surprised at how far out i8 was. A factor of 100. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mauricio Pinilla Posted January 8 10 minutes ago, Natural Orders said: https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-sign-craig-wighton-dundee-15085644 6 figure sum Well if edinburghlive has guessed the undisclosed fee was a 6 figure sum who am I to argue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpikeDudley Posted January 8 (edited) 57 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Think there was some offset with Jack Hamilton going to them. at least we inflicted some misery on Dundee as well then 😆 27 minutes ago, graygo said: That's horrendous, obviously made up though. What's the real figure? It's probably not possible to calculate the actual ratio because he would have had to have scored a goal first 🙃 Edited January 8 by SpikeDudley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redjambo Posted January 8 It's interesting to see our reactions and comments when he signed. https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/178555-craig-wighton-signs-on-3yr-deal-updated/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted January 8 35 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Yes, from memory I think £50k cash changed hands Was that confirmed anywhere or did you just make it up? From memory it was £200k but maybe I just made that up. Whatever Wighton cost it was a mind blowingly stupid signing by Levein! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, redjambo said: It's interesting to see our reactions and comments when he signed. https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/178555-craig-wighton-signs-on-3yr-deal-updated/ The first rule of being a football supporter is that we can perform a volte-face at any point. 😎 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted January 8 46 minutes ago, Coco said: A key part of our worst ever front pairing with Maclean. Lightweight upper body and heavy legged. Scared of his own shadow. A handful of goals in his football career. And Levein paid a transfer fee! He was a Levein era legacy signing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted January 8 35 minutes ago, iantjambo said: Probably understandable when the lad had arseholes in the crowd who couldn’t wait for him to make a mistake so they could get on his back. Ah the fans fault again! He came as a goal scoring machine and we ruined him! 😖 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, redjambo said: It's interesting to see our reactions and comments when he signed. https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/178555-craig-wighton-signs-on-3yr-deal-updated/ Interesting read. i8 absolutely called it. I unfortunately didn’t 😂 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 8 9 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Was that confirmed anywhere or did you just make it up? From memory it was £200k but maybe I just made that up. Whatever Wighton cost it was a mind blowingly stupid signing by Levein! I remember at the time there was a lot of speculation re fee for Wighton however I was told by someone involved that the Wighton and Hamilton moves were linked and a nominal fee of £50k changed hands. Think it was mentioned on here then as well. So I didn’t make it up but someone else might have done. In any case what does it matter. It’s a bit like the main stand discussion, what’s done is done, let’s move on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Debut 4 Posted January 8 38 minutes ago, iantjambo said: Probably understandable when the lad had arseholes in the crowd who couldn’t wait for him to make a mistake so they could get on his back. Thought it wouldn’t be long 🙃 That’s totally not my point. He just naturally looked like that. Never looked convincing or assured in himself. You begin to wonder what wasn’t registering in the minds of our coaches day in day out while in the presence of these players? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted January 8 1 minute ago, soonbe110 said: I remember at the time there was a lot of speculation re fee for Wighton however I was told by someone involved that the Wighton and Hamilton moves were linked and a nominal fee of £50k changed hands. Think it was mentioned on here then as well. So I didn’t make it up but someone else might have done. In any case what does it matter. It’s a bit like the main stand discussion, what’s done is done, let’s move on. The thread is about the rumour that Wighton is getting binned - think we are entitled to make comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkbam Posted January 8 Not surprised at this development, has shown nothing in the games I've seen him. Saw him score vs Linlithgow Rose, didn't even stand out at that level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonbe110 Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The thread is about the rumour that Wighton is getting binned - think we are entitled to make comment. Agreed but it’s not going to change anything from 18-24 months ago. Given he hasn’t trained with the main group this year I don’t think it’s a rumour either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted January 8 so he will be training with reserves then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iantjambo Posted January 8 15 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Ah the fans fault again! He came as a goal scoring machine and we ruined him! 😖 I’m not saying his lack of ability is the fans fault. I’m saying that there are “fans” that can’t wait on certain individuals making mistakes so they can give them grief. So it’s neither winder Wighton looked nervous. 12 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: Thought it wouldn’t be long 🙃 That’s totally not my point. He just naturally looked like that. Never looked convincing or assured in himself. You begin to wonder what wasn’t registering in the minds of our coaches day in day out while in the presence of these players? My post wasn’t a dig at you mate. You mentioned that he often looked nervous and I gave my theory as to why that is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ford donald Posted January 8 8 hours ago, Last Laff said: Free to find another club. Another waste of a jersey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ford donald Posted January 8 2 hours ago, flem said: To be fair, Levein absolutely loved strikers that don't score so the signing made perfect sense 🤨 He seemed to be afraid of signing a goal scorer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mercer Takeover Posted January 8 8 hours ago, Last Laff said: Free to find another club. How strong a rumour is this? Any background you can share? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts007 Posted January 8 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Mercer Takeover said: How strong a rumour is this? Any background you can share? Way i see it ..if Berra's been told he's free to leave surely to feck wighton has been told as well along with others Edited January 8 by Hearts007 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Gio Posted January 8 Just never clicked for the lad either at Dundee or Hearts. Something in there, probably down to desire hunger belief. Believe he is a good lad. We need more *******s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OmiyaHearts Posted January 8 If we got Wighton for free, we have still been bumped. A horrific signing that sums up the quality Levein brought to the club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GavK1012 Posted January 8 I thought this was kinda old news...McJake wants him and we dont....its simply down to him and his desire to play and rip up his contract.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deejtee Posted January 8 38 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: I remember at the time there was a lot of speculation re fee for Wighton however I was told by someone involved that the Wighton and Hamilton moves were linked and a nominal fee of £50k changed hands. Think it was mentioned on here then as well. So I didn’t make it up but someone else might have done. In any case what does it matter. It’s a bit like the main stand discussion, what’s done is done, let’s move on. A source as reliable as possible said it was £200,000 and same source that he has asked to go out on loan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Louis Valois Posted January 8 Good. Looked like he didn't know what to do when he played, and terrified of the ball. Championship player at best Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bajthejambo Posted January 8 1 hour ago, RobboM said: Personally I'd be gutted. He presented our certificates at the Plot Ceremony 🤨 Me too. I made a point of speaking to him while everyone else queued for photos with Mitchell and Souttar. He genuinely seemed embarrassed to be there. Felt for the guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pasquale for King Posted January 8 8 hours ago, Famous 1874 said: 100k this guy reportedly cost us More like £250k transfer fee, add in wages, signing on fee, agent fees etc it’s well over £500k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1971fozzy Posted January 8 Horrendous for us. A typical Levein signing. Good luck to him but nowhere near good enough for this division (or likely the championship) Cheerio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R1874 Posted January 8 (edited) Worst player in the squad. Arguably the worst I’ve seen. How we paid actual money for him! He will be playing amateur football soon enough. I would say unfortunately but he didn’t even work that hard so it’s probably deserved Edited January 8 by R1874 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted January 8 He’s very similar to Callumn Morrison in regards I don’t think either of them have enough belief in their ability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR INCREDIBLE Posted January 8 8 hours ago, cosanostra said: Looked like a guy with no obvious position or role at the club. Kind of looked out of his depth wherever he played. Another atrocious Levein signing. To be fair to him.... Nobody knew what position or role they had. PS. I also think he is mince. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maltese jambo Posted January 8 1 hour ago, iantjambo said: Probably understandable when the lad had arseholes in the crowd who couldn’t wait for him to make a mistake so they could get on his back. Really? Football fans in general are just itching for a hero - someone to idolise and worship...Hearts fans are no different. On the flipside of that if a player is clearly underperforming/not good enough/not giving 100% they will be called on that - and to a certain extent rightly so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 8 Never make it in football. The guy looks scared of his own shadow. What the maestro ever saw in him to splash 200k god only knows. Another disaster of a signing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iantjambo Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, maltese jambo said: Really? Football fans in general are just itching for a hero - someone to idolise and worship...Hearts fans are no different. On the flipside of that if a player is clearly underperforming/not good enough/not giving 100% they will be called on that - and to a certain extent rightly so. Yes, but we’ve got a habit of giving players little or no time whatsoever. Christ, we had people writing him off before he even kicked a ball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McNelly15 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, soonbe110 said: Yes, from memory I think £50k cash changed hands Aye I think it was between 20-50k cash in offset with Jack Hamilton Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
