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33 minutes ago, Tasavallan said:

Might have been his first season when defences were wary of how to play him.  But time has shown that he is just a big puddin'.  Still he is a player tbat can come of the bench to offer something different, although maybe not to Strudel's style.

Until recently would have agreed. Hits the deck embarrassingly easily for a representative of HMFC.

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32 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

 


That’s not our scouts’ impression

 

Why's he been recalled in that case? 15 games and two goals is good for a 17 year old midfielder playing against the cloggers down there. 10 caps at U-18 level and looked very comfortable playing against Celtic as I recall. Let's not write off kids who have barely played.

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12 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Until recently would have agreed. Hits the deck embarrassingly easily for a representative of HMFC.

 

He certainly didn't go down easily when he first started paying with us. It was in response to refs giving defenders free rein to basically have their hands all over him and worse during every challenge.

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1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Why's he been recalled in that case? 15 games and two goals is good for a 17 year old midfielder playing against the cloggers down there. 10 caps at U-18 level and looked very comfortable playing against Celtic as I recall. Let's not write off kids who have barely played.


Recalled for the same reason Cochrane, McDonald, Petrov etc were recalled.

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1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said:


Recalled for the same reason Cochrane, McDonald, Petrov etc were recalled.

 

What was the reason?

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4 hours ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Until recently would have agreed. Hits the deck embarrassingly easily for a representative of HMFC.

 

For such a big guy, his centre of gravity appears to be down around his ankles.  

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I know that Connor Smith has been getting quite a few motm awards and will be badly missed according to a cowdenecky season ticket holder,

he says all the teams best stuff comes thru him and they will probably go back to hoofball now that he’s gone.

 

he also rates Chris Hamilton, composed and solid in the tackle. 

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42 minutes ago, novoman said:

I know that Connor Smith has been getting quite a few motm awards and will be badly missed according to a cowdenecky season ticket holder,

he says all the teams best stuff comes thru him and they will probably go back to hoofball now that he’s gone.

 

he also rates Chris Hamilton, composed and solid in the tackle. 


Interestingly I work with a Cowdenbeath fan who also rates him highly but for some reason the club don’t seem to have been too impressed. Perhaps there was some specific elements of his game they hoped he would develop on that he hasn’t. Not sure.

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Ever get the feeling CL is being kept on as punishment until he has released all the players he signed before being sacked himself.....seems a bit like torture

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8 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said:

Colin Doyle oot!

Seen Daily Record

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On 10/01/2020 at 19:58, Ari Gold said:

I wouldn't trust our scouts impression of any footballer tbh. 

 

Would that scout have scouted Grizzly Oshinawa Sowah or Augustin (Dyou you think he was worse with the ball at his feet than Berra??)

 

Bring on the young team as the oldys are complete duffers 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Section Q said:

This is a problem of our (Levein’s) own making. Paying money for a below average championship level player and lavishing him a wage that he would not get anywhere else for having very limited ability. Now we’re stuck with him and he’ll not leave for less money. I said this when we signed him. Most bizarre signing.

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Also..... if we could get money for Sean Clare during this window, I think we should take it. I know he has had 2 decent games for us recently but I’m yet to see the player we were promised. Can’t see him being on a cheap wage. Maybe Stendel can get something out of him. If not, there will be clubs that would be interested in league one England.

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Think we are seeing the consequences of giving good contracts to (at best) average players like Mulraney and Wighton.

No-one else will pay them anywhere like the wages that we dished out.

Maybe this will act as a warning to other under-performing players at the club. If you don't make it at a club like Hearts, the only direction your career (and wage packet) will go is down

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So far we’ve got the following players who have been told to find a club:

 

Berra

Mulraney

Wighton

Doyle

 

plus Whelan and Keena have already left.

 

convincing those players to take a lower wage somewhere else is going to be a hard task I reckon, hopefully Berra will just want to escape the embarrassment and Mulraney hasn’t put that American club off. 
 

I imagine MacLean, Zlamal, Dikamona, Bozanic and Garuccio will stay until their contracts end in summer, they’re not the best players but they do have decent attitudes and should hopefully only be needed in an emergency.

 

Happy to see Stendel work with the rest of the squad as I think we do have some talent in the leftovers. I’m surprised that Damour hasn’t been asked to leave but I guess the gaffer thinks he can get a tune out of him. No idea which category Uche falls into either 

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23 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

This is a problem of our (Levein’s) own making. Paying money for a below average championship level player and lavishing him a wage that he would not get anywhere else for having very limited ability. Now we’re stuck with him and he’ll not leave for less money. I said this when we signed him. Most bizarre signing.

That may or not be the case but if you read the article again you'll see that it's Hearts' demands Dundee are citing as the reason for no deal.

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20 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

Also..... if we could get money for Sean Clare during this window, I think we should take it. I know he has had 2 decent games for us recently but I’m yet to see the player we were promised. Can’t see him being on a cheap wage. Maybe Stendel can get something out of him. If not, there will be clubs that would be interested in league one England.

So who do we bring in to replace him at a lower cost?

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1 minute ago, JamboAl said:

That may or not be the case but if you read the article again you'll see that it's Hearts' demands Dundee are citing as the reason for no deal.

Yeah, we allegedly paid £250k for him so the club will want to recoup some of that although the chances of getting even half of that back are somewhere between slim and non existent. I think if Dundee could afford £75k, hearts would let him go. Whether he would accept reducing his wage to a fraction of what he’s on now is an entirely different matter. 

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1 minute ago, baron of ness said:

So who do we bring in to replace him at a lower cost?

That’s the scout and management team’s job to figure out, not mine. He’s definitely not worth what we’ve been paying. 

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I think Hearts have said he's "free to find another club" meaning we wouldn't ask for a fee, so I think the problem is Wighton not being prepared to take a drop in wages. The same will be the case if it were a loan deal, with Dundee not wanting to meet a decent percentage of his current wage

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Every year it seems like we are waiting on players who contribute nothing to leave. I don't blame the players though. What was the thinking of giving Berra another two years while injured. Nobody was going to steal him from us.

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42 minutes ago, The Treasurer said:

Think we are seeing the consequences of giving good contracts to (at best) average players like Mulraney and Wighton.

No-one else will pay them anywhere like the wages that we dished out.

Maybe this will act as a warning to other under-performing players at the club. If you don't make it at a club like Hearts, the only direction your career (and wage packet) will go is down


Yet Atlanta United have bid over £200k for Mulraney?

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Unfortunately we have only one saleable asset of any real value and Celtic get a chunk of this if he'sold.

Considering the amount of players brought in by the club, and all the promises of the five year plan , we really don't have much to show for the efforts.

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Just now, Section Q said:

Unfortunately we have only one saleable asset of any real value and Celtic get a chunk of this if he'sold.

Considering the amount of players brought in by the club, and all the promises of the five year plan , we really don't have much to show for the efforts.

 

 

We have sold a number of players tbh. 

Just not got that one big fee. 

 

Very much in line with other clubs

 

Rossi 

Sow

Lafferty 

Walker 

Isma

Holt. 

 

 

Most of our youth are also very young. 

 

You'd need to compare it with other clubs( Aberdeen, hibs, Killie, Utd etc) to get a comparison

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47 minutes ago, The Treasurer said:

I think Hearts have said he's "free to find another club" meaning we wouldn't ask for a fee, so I think the problem is Wighton not being prepared to take a drop in wages. The same will be the case if it were a loan deal, with Dundee not wanting to meet a decent percentage of his current wage

 

Can't really blame him. He knows he's not going to be able to make a career at this level and will end up in League 1 or lower so wants to make as much money as he can before he leaves. 

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1 hour ago, The Duke said:

Uche is keen to go back down south at the earliest opportunity but apparently Stendel has made it known that he rates him.

Interesting. Where you hearing this?

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1 hour ago, jambopilms said:

Every year it seems like we are waiting on players who contribute nothing to leave. I don't blame the players though. What was the thinking of giving Berra another two years while injured. Nobody was going to steal him from us.

 

One of a number of daft ideas our managers have had over the last few seasons.

Could be a thread all on it's own,..... long contracts for duff signings and how long we had to wait to empty them.

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3 hours ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

Yeah, we allegedly paid £250k for him so the club will want to recoup some of that although the chances of getting even half of that back are somewhere between slim and non existent. I think if Dundee could afford £75k, hearts would let him go. Whether he would accept reducing his wage to a fraction of what he’s on now is an entirely different matter. 

I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of the deal.  I am merely pointing out that the article says it's Hearts not Wighton who are holding up the transfer

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4 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

Think we are seeing the consequences of giving good contracts to (at best) average players like Mulraney and Wighton.

No-one else will pay them anywhere like the wages that we dished out.

Maybe this will act as a warning to other under-performing players at the club. If you don't make it at a club like Hearts, the only direction your career (and wage packet) will go is down

 

How do you know Mulraney is on a good contract? What sort of money is he on?

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13 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of the deal.  I am merely pointing out that the article says it's Hearts not Wighton who are holding up the transfer

Yeah, I get that. Hearts are kidding themselves if they think they’ll get money back for him in all honesty. Levein was the only one who thought he was worth money. We just need to cut our losses and hope that Wighton is willing to earn a significantly smaller wage elsewhere. A wage that suits his ability.

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41 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

Yeah, I get that. Hearts are kidding themselves if they think they’ll get money back for him in all honesty. Levein was the only one who thought he was worth money. We just need to cut our losses and hope that Wighton is willing to earn a significantly smaller wage elsewhere. A wage that suits his ability.

Has someone at Hearts said they want money back for him?

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2 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Has someone at Hearts said they want money back for him?

Well, as mentioned in the article, Dundee can’t meet Hearts’ demands so that indicates we want something. Personally, I think if Dundee want him, I’ll drive him up to Dens myself for free.

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Just now, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

Well, as mentioned in the article, Dundee can’t meet Hearts’ demands so that indicates we want something. Personally, I think if Dundee want him, I’ll drive him up to Dens myself for free.

Hearts might be happy to let him go to Dundee (or anyone else, for that matter) if they just take take over the remainder of his contract.  I suspect they want us to sugar the pill for him by giving him a pay-off so that he's no worse off receiving a lower wage from them.  It might yet come to something similar if a loan deal is agreed.

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3 hours ago, AndyNic said:

 

Can't really blame him. He knows he's not going to be able to make a career at this level and will end up in League 1 or lower so wants to make as much money as he can before he leaves. 

If he wont take a drop in wages put him in the shop 5 afternoons a week to earn what hes being paid 

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Imagine wasting £250k on Craig Wighton. Been scratching my head about this since it happened. One of the weirdest signings in Levein’s time. Insanity.

 

£250k could have got us a pitch like Motherwells’. (Joking before anyone pipes up).

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5 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

Think we are seeing the consequences of giving good contracts to (at best) average players like Mulraney and Wighton.

No-one else will pay them anywhere like the wages that we dished out.

Maybe this will act as a warning to other under-performing players at the club. If you don't make it at a club like Hearts, the only direction your career (and wage packet) will go is down

Where as before players could come to Hearts on long deals and paid wages that were over the top. Yes Levein got away with murder and DS has to clean up the mess the INCOMEPENT ONE left.

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We’ve got 12 players out of contract in the summer along with meshino and periera loans finishing. 
OOC in summer: Daniel Baur, Oliver Bozanic, Jamie Brandon, Rory Currie, Clevid Dikamona, Euan Henderson, Cammy Logan, Steven MacLean, Leeroy Makovora, Lewis Moore, Alex Petkov, Kevin Silva

Can only maybe see a couple of the young players getting another contract from that list. 

So potentially upto 14 players away, to add to keena, whelan and maybe wighton mulraney Berra and Doyle.

 

Will need to get afew players in the summer as well as now!! 

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2 minutes ago, ceefax said:

We’ve got 12 players out of contract in the summer along with meshino and periera loans finishing. 
OOC in summer: Daniel Baur, Oliver Bozanic, Jamie Brandon, Rory Currie, Clevid Dikamona, Euan Henderson, Cammy Logan, Steven MacLean, Leeroy Makovora, Lewis Moore, Alex Petkov, Kevin Silva

Can only maybe see a couple of the young players getting another contract from that list. 

So potentially upto 14 players away, to add to keena, whelan and maybe wighton mulraney Berra and Doyle.

 

Will need to get afew players in the summer as well as now!! 

All of those young lads will be on peanuts 

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4 minutes ago, ceefax said:

We’ve got 12 players out of contract in the summer along with meshino and periera loans finishing. 
OOC in summer: Daniel Baur, Oliver Bozanic, Jamie Brandon, Rory Currie, Clevid Dikamona, Euan Henderson, Cammy Logan, Steven MacLean, Leeroy Makovora, Lewis Moore, Alex Petkov, Kevin Silva

Can only maybe see a couple of the young players getting another contract from that list. 

So potentially upto 14 players away, to add to keena, whelan and maybe wighton mulraney Berra and Doyle.

 

Will need to get afew players in the summer as well as now!! 


Quality over quantity from now on please. If there is a gem or two worth keeping then keep them, if not they have to be moved on.

Can only hope DS has an eye for a player.

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5 hours ago, The Duke said:

Uche is keen to go back down south at the earliest opportunity but apparently Stendel has made it known that he rates him.

He has wanted out almost since he got here. The plan was show up well in Scotland and get a quick move back down south. 

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16 minutes ago, ceefax said:

We’ve got 12 players out of contract in the summer along with meshino and periera loans finishing. 
OOC in summer: Daniel Baur, Oliver Bozanic, Jamie Brandon, Rory Currie, Clevid Dikamona, Euan Henderson, Cammy Logan, Steven MacLean, Leeroy Makovora, Lewis Moore, Alex Petkov, Kevin Silva

Can only maybe see a couple of the young players getting another contract from that list. 

So potentially upto 14 players away, to add to keena, whelan and maybe wighton mulraney Berra and Doyle.

 

Will need to get afew players in the summer as well as now!! 

At least one of those has 18 months left so not sure how reliable your data source is. 

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4 hours ago, GinRummy said:

Interesting. Where you hearing this?

Not from the horses mouth as such but directly from someone who knows him very well and socialises with him regularly. 

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1 minute ago, The Duke said:

Not from the horses mouth as such but directly from someone who knows him very well and socialises with him regularly. 

Thank you. 

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