Gary Mackay latest....

[siegementality]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

Doesn't matter. Hope they both sort themselves out & get the help they possibly need.

Less pints more points in Levein’s case.

[Lfhearts]

Mackay a heavy drinker lol

[The Real Maroonblood]

1 hour ago, TheStig said:

Anyone tell me why Mackay and Levein have beef? Does it go back to when they played together?

Dens 1986.

I won’t elaborate as it would open another can of worms.

[tcjambo]

1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Thick people rarely get on well with intelligent people.

Lol. This forum proves that over and over.

[Dagger Is Back]

I wanted Cathro to work. I wanted CL to work. Mainly because it would improve my mood greatly but also to shove it up the doubters.

 

Like Cathro it's not to be, and if CL does care about Hearts as much as some think, he'd put the club first and do the honourable thing.

 

 

[1874robbo]

6 minutes ago, Barack said:

 

He tee-total now?

 

Good for him if that's the case. Give him my regards, next time you see him.👍🏻

What’s your beef with Mackay?

if you don’t like him fine but to mention his son being in jail and then about drinking problems and divorce etc.

pretty low Barack.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

What he's basically saying is what everyone thinks that we should playing much better with the squad we have. However, just like the fans the boo us when we're 9 games unbeaten and drawing 0-0 at home or who hire a plane when we're doing great in the league, Mackay loses his right to have his (otherwise quite valid) criticisms taken seriously when he comes out with nonsense like this:

 

"I don’t know if any manager in Scottish football history has the power over a football department that Craig Levein has at Hearts." Er, you don't have to go back very far to remember Jim McLean?

 

"I’m not fussy about how good a player Craig was for Hearts or how well he has done for the academy. I’m worried about the long-term future of Heart of Midlothian Football Club." So he thinks Levein is doing a good job with the academy - the future of the club - but he fears for the future of the club. 

 

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Hearts007 said:

Really?😄

Made me lol 😂 

[Don Dan]

1 hour ago, Barack said:

Is Gary's son still in jail?

 

 

 Relevant to the article? 

[upgotheheads]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

As much as I want Craig to go, I like the guy and every time someone like Mackay or Stewart revel in their dislike for him it frustrates me even more to find myself agreeing with them.

 

If only he'd been a success and stuck it right up the pair of them...sadly they've probably been right all along

 

The article is too close to the truth for comfort, and that's the problem. 

That four of our ex players, Lee,  Vanacek , Edwards and Zanatta suddenly find their form as soon as they leave hearts might be a coincidence but maybe it isn't.

Maybe Levein has an unsettled squad because he tinkers with the personnel so much and players don't think they're getting a fair chance, and there's evidence for that. 

[siegementality]

12 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

What he's basically saying is what everyone thinks that we should playing much better with the squad we have. However, just like the fans the boo us when we're 9 games unbeaten and drawing 0-0 at home or who hire a plane when we're doing great in the league, Mackay loses his right to have his (otherwise quite valid) criticisms taken seriously when he comes out with nonsense like this:

 

"I don’t know if any manager in Scottish football history has the power over a football department that Craig Levein has at Hearts." Er, you don't have to go back very far to remember Jim McLean?

 

"I’m not fussy about how good a player Craig was for Hearts or how well he has done for the academy. I’m worried about the long-term future of Heart of Midlothian Football Club." So he thinks Levein is doing a good job with the academy - the future of the club - but he fears for the future of the club. 

 

Maybe he was meaning someone with that much power but is still shit at their job and not someone who won the league, two league cups, got to the semi final of the European cup, final of the UEFA cup and sold a young Duncan Ferguson for a then British record £4 million.

 

He should have qualified it right enough.

[Robbo-Jambo]

3 minutes ago, siegementality said:

Maybe he was meaning someone with that much power but is still shit at their job and not someone who won the league, two league cups, got to the semi final of the European cup, final of the UEFA cup and sold a young Duncan Ferguson for a then British record £4 million.

 

He should have qualified it right enough.

He shoots and he scores. 😊 👍

 

No comparison. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Robbo-Jambo

[Section Q]

Can't disagree with anything in the article tbh.

It's not Levein's club. HOMFC belongs to us all.

[RudiHMFC]

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

Not a terrible article but our long term future isn’t in danger. Only our short term form

 

No long term is absolutely in danger the longer this continues. Expectations are getting lowered at an alarming rate.

[Mr Kipling]

1 hour ago, Heartsofgold said:

Anybody that says hearts long or medium term future is in jeopardy needs a swift kick in the happy sack. The infrastructure is in place to deliver long term growth BUT there needs to be a fundamental change in the first team football department. That’s what keeps the money rolling in when the fans are happy. And by ****ing Christ we are not. 

I don't understand? you seem to contradict yourself. My understanding of your argument is that anyone who thinks Hearts' future is in jeopardy is wrong but without fundamental change money will stop because fans won't be happy?

 

Is that right?

 

Surely the football club is a business. The first team isn't performing really at all, therefore we (the fans) are going to stop paying, this will ultimately affect various business streams (season tickets, hospitality, merchandise etc) thereby affecting the long term future of Hearts. 

 

The long term future of Hearts is, in my opinion, in terrible jeopardy of being dismantled at an alarming rate if something isn't fixed (i.e. new manager and coaches). 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Mr Kipling

[It should have been ten]

1 hour ago, neonjambo said:

Things of note in the article.

 

Mentions what a wonderful person Gary Locke is on more than one occasion and that the current management basically got rid of him.

(clearly thinks he was the right man for the job or should have been allowed more time.)

 

States that the current management should be replaced twice in the article.

(forgets about our injury woes last season and following through to this season)

 

Great Academy and infrastructure yet concerned about the future.

(Takes time to reap the rewards and we seem to have a couple of starlets each season, although it could be argued no one has yet took the bull by the horns.)

 

Then finally trying to get people to agree with him in the last sentence.

(criticism sure, but offer a semblance of thought into what you would like to see happen.)

 

He is hurting as any Hearts man is, but this seems a dig, after probably reading what he thought would be acceptable to print from here.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely spot on, Mackay showing his lack of class there. He’d do well to remember he himself isn’t well liked among his ex team mates and he knows exactly why. 

[fabienleclerq]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

Nails it as per usual.

 

Anyone criticising the club nails it for you. 

[Mr Kipling]

2 minutes ago, It should have been ten said:

 

Absolutely spot on, Mackay showing his lack of class there. He’d do well to remember he himself isn’t well liked among his ex team mates and he knows exactly why. 

I agree with you, but in all fairness we are now at the stage where we need to stop beating around the bush and say what needs to be said. We need to be direct and to the point. On JKB we have been discussing and debating the same thing for months and months. It's now time to start applying pressure on AB and the board. Gary has the ability to do that through his column and I'm glad he has said what he has said. Like many people I'm frustrated - I want change. It's time. 

[tcjambo]

7 minutes ago, It should have been ten said:

 

Absolutely spot on, Mackay showing his lack of class there. He’d do well to remember he himself isn’t well liked among his ex team mates and he knows exactly why. 

If anybody thinks Gary M is a better man than Craig ask John Robertson . He knows them both equally well.

[It should have been ten]

DP.

Edited September 3, 2019 by It should have been ten

[i8hibsh]

I really would love Gary and Craig to make up.

[It should have been ten]

3 minutes ago, tcjambo said:

If anybody thinks Gary M is a better man than Craig ask John Robertson . He knows them both equally well.

 

Exactly this mate and Gary knows fine well why John can’t stand him.

[Beast Boy]

MacKay v Levein... jeez. 🙄

 

As long as neither of them have nailed a drunk girl in public, on a pool table, then neither of them is a truly deplorable scumbag. 

[Mr Sifter]

2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

Not a terrible article but our long term future isn’t in danger. Only our short term form

 

Pretty much exactly how I see it. Our long term future isn’t in doubt (why would he even say that?) but I agree with his sentiment re the power that Levein has at Hearts. 

 

Mackay can often come across a slaiver, but in the main, he’s spot on here. 

[The Real Maroonblood]

32 minutes ago, Section Q said:

Can't disagree with anything in the article tbh.

It's not Levein's club. HOMFC belongs to us all.

Spot on.

[Cruyff Turn]

10 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

MacKay v Levein... jeez. 🙄

 

As long as neither of them have nailed a drunk girl in public, on a pool table, then neither of them is a truly deplorable scumbag. 

It’s a bit like the Grand Wizard of the Orange Lodge telling us he doesn’t like the pope and what he does. 

 

The two people that absolutely detest Levein seem to be the only two giving an opinion on things in the press. 

[innerjambo]

Levein breeds negativity into every player we sign. I cannot remember ever being so despondent about a season, the guy actually rips the heart out of the support and has them at each other's throats. He means well, but he has completely lost the plot and is such a negative influence on the players and the support, he has to go asap.

[The Real Maroonblood]

22 minutes ago, innerjambo said:

Levein breeds negativity into every player we sign. I cannot remember ever being so despondent about a season, the guy actually rips the heart out of the support and has them at each other's throats. He means well, but he has completely lost the plot and is such a negative influence on the players and the support, he has to go asap.

He’s a liability.

[innerjambo]

1 minute ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

He’s a liability.

 

He is indeed, but he has the support of his fanboys and Hobos to keep him in a job.

The Levein fan club will keep going until we're in the championship, still pretending to be fans and supporters of the club. They're like a slow poison, but there's **** all we can do about them.

[iainmac]

3 hours ago, TheStig said:

Anyone tell me why Mackay and Levein have beef? Does it go back to when they played together?

 

Save Our Hearts protest is certainly one reason

. 

GM spearheading protests against The Pieman trying to sell Tynecastle  & CL,  manager at the time,  telling him to "take it outside the stadium". CL then went on to use Graeme Weir (one of GM's players as an agent) saying "how would you like to put his future at risk". I'm paraphrasing here but that's the gist of it. 

[iainmac]

2 hours ago, Barack said:

They're both heavy drinkers? Gary especially, I believe? His divorce can't have helped, of course. 

 

Anyway...Levein out.👍🏻

 

 

 

What absolute garbage. You're having a nightmare on this thread. 

[iainmac]

2 hours ago, Lfhearts said:

Mackay a heavy drinker lol

 

Two Can Dan! 😎

 

 

[Beast Boy]

Anyone at the hospitality package at Hampden for the semi in 2006? MacKay was doing a bit of after scran ‘speaking’. Enjoyed a wee bevvy that day. Maybe a one off or whatever. Weird debate you guys are having, he definitely wasn’t teetotal then.

[NB GIN]

3 hours ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Thick people rarely get on well with intelligent people.

Who is intelligent? 

[SectionDJambo]

Craig Levein didn’t seem to mind Hearts potentially selling Tynecastle and moving to Murrayfield, back when Robinson was trying to seal that. Maybe because he felt he had to go with the club line when he was employed by Hearts, as a manager with very limited funds. He didn’t have much support from the fans on that.

Gary Mackay had a prominent place in the campaign to stay at Tynecastle, with the vast majority of fans on his side.

If that’s where the animosity between the 2 stems from, I find that understandable, given the highly charged emotion of the time.

If it goes back to Dens Park in 1986, it’s just crazy. Craig Levein not playing, whilst ill, did not cost us that game, and the championship. It’s more likely playing, whilst ill, would have resulted in a poor performance by Levein, which would have been grounds for accusing him of stupidity to declare himself fit for such a momentous game.

As it turned out, Levein’s replacement, Roddy McDonald played a superb game and didn’t let us down.

Fate just didn’t treat us luckily that day.

They really should get together and celebrate their respective careers at Hearts.

[Beast Boy]

5 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

Craig Levein didn’t seem to mind Hearts potentially selling Tynecastle and moving to Murrayfield, back when Robinson was trying to seal that. Maybe because he felt he had to go with the club line when he was employed by Hearts, as a manager with very limited funds. He didn’t have much support from the fans on that.

Gary Mackay had a prominent place in the campaign to stay at Tynecastle, with the vast majority of fans on his side.

If that’s where the animosity between the 2 stems from, I find that understandable, given the highly charged emotion of the time.

If it goes back to Dens Park in 1986, it’s just crazy. Craig Levein not playing, whilst ill, did not cost us that game, and the championship. It’s more likely playing, whilst ill, would have resulted in a poor performance by Levein, which would have been grounds for accusing him of stupidity to declare himself fit for such a momentous game.

As it turned out, Levein’s replacement, Roddy McDonald played a superb game and didn’t let us down.

Fate just didn’t treat us luckily that day.

They really should get together and celebrate their respective careers at Hearts.

 

He said in his autobiography that he doesn’t like Levein because of 1986. He hinted that he didn’t like him much before that too, but that’s the reason given, as per MacKay himself.

 

Has nobody else read his book?

[iainmac]

19 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

Anyone at the hospitality package at Hampden for the semi in 2006? MacKay was doing a bit of after scran ‘speaking’. Enjoyed a wee bevvy that day. Maybe a one off or whatever. Weird debate you guys are having, he definitely wasn’t teetotal then.

 

He's never been tee total but to say he has a "like for the bevvy" is just nonsense. 

[Beast Boy]

Just now, iainmac said:

 

He's never been tee total but to say he has a "like for the bevvy" is just nonsense. 

 

No idea, he’s not my mate. 2006 was a special occasion though, so I suppose it makes sense he he would have more than he normally does. If that’s the case.

[Texia]

**** it.

 

Gary might be a legend but his articles make him seem like a dick.

[jr ewing]

Bullseye.

[Beast Boy]

It’s not the “Levein fanboys/cuckolds” that started bringing personal stuff in to this. Maybe Gary wouldn’t appreciate his fans on here going down that road? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

 

[iainmac]

1 minute ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

No idea, he’s not my mate. 2006 was a special occasion though, so I suppose it makes sense he he would have more than he normally does. If that’s the case.

 

Well,  he is my mate. 

 

I've known him for over 35 years &  we worked together with SOH. 

 

We also organised the Rudi Skacel Dinner at Murrayfield not so long ago &  guess what? It was well attended by those ex-team names that "can't stand him". 

 

Some of the garbage posted on here about him is probably actionable & I'm shocked the mods allow it. 

[Beast Boy]

2 minutes ago, iainmac said:

 

Well,  he is my mate. 

 

I've known him for over 35 years &  we worked together with SOH. 

 

We also organised the Rudi Skacel Dinner at Murrayfield not so long ago &  guess what? It was well attended by those ex-team names that "can't stand him". 

 

Some of the garbage posted on here about him is probably actionable & I'm shocked the mods allow it. 

 

Cool, good for you Iain. As I said, he’s not my mate. I can understand why you’d feel emotional about people discussing your friend’s past.

 

Out of interest did you feel as emotional about some of the very personal stuff slung at Levein on this very website? There’s been absolute shit-tonnes of it and much of it was never removed.

[iainmac]

2 minutes ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Cool, good for you Iain. As I said, he’s not my mate. I can understand why you’d feel emotional about people discussing your friend’s past.

 

Out of interest did you feel as emotional about some of the very personal stuff slung at Levein on this very website? There’s been absolute shit-tonnes of it and much of it was never removed.

 

Firstly I'm not emotional. 

 

Secondly,  if you can point to anything that I've personally posted to disrespect Craig Levein,  I'd be surprised. FWIW,  no one should be allowed to post personal abuse about anyone on here IMO. 

[Beast Boy]

On a serious note though for a second. There was a time when Hearts supporters would not have sunk to this level, and not set about former great and very good players in this fashion. As soon as it became acceptable to say and post some of the stuff that’s regularly flung about on here about Levein, then the rest was inevitable. If that had been clamped down on early doors, then we would not be where we are right now.

 

There used to be an unspoken etiquette.

[Bunny Munro]

It's seems the whole purpose of the article is to say that he's worried about our long term future. As others have pointed out that's nonsense. 

 

I agree our form needs to change and I also think in order to do that we need to change the manager, but let's not over dramatise it. 

 

I'm more confident than I've been in years that the future of the club is sound.

[Beast Boy]

Just now, luckydug said:

Ann Budge has become fair game for the not so bright in our support to abuse.

If the woman who is responsible for dragging the club from deaths door isn't immune from abuse then who is ?

I'm not talking about measured criticism about her stewardship of the club I'm meaning comments with nasty undertones.

 

Budge, Levein and Neilson have had their faces photoshopped on to pornography. People on this forum have made unfounded innuendoes about them. They have all received extremely personal abuse. That’s cool though, nothing to see here.

 

Gary MacKay and his friends who post on here? Oh no no no no... can’t say anything about them.

 

Why are some Hearts legends fair game and others not?

 

If folk are going to start getting prissy about abuse of that nature, then they need to start by calling it out against all Hearts greats, not just the ones they are pally with.

 

Personally, I’d like to see us return to that unspoken rule, but I fear the box has been open to long now. 

[Stephen Muddie]

4 hours ago, 1874robbo said:

Think what you want about our manager but he’s not thick ffs!!!

Is this a joke? I think ti's obvious what he meant if you're a Hearts fan. **** me

[Stephen Muddie]

4 hours ago, Finlay James said:

Says plenty without really saying anything.

 

Our long term future has never looked healthier so not too sure what he's talking about with that one.

Exactly. I was never a huge fan of Gary MacKay. Now I'm starting to hate him. He's a slag. Unreal.

Unreal because he's our record appearance holder. TBF, I saw him in his later years in the flesh only, but I thought he was mince. He's thick as feck too. 

If he's such a big Jambo he better ask himself how his shite articles help the club he "loves".

[Beast Boy]

18 minutes ago, iainmac said:

 

Or.... how about we just let the mods get on with it &  try and behave like adults? 

 

I'm not that pally with Craig Levein and I wouldn't abuse him but I'm sure going to stick up for a mate when people on here are spouting blatant lies about him. Otherwise,  what kind of a mate would I be?

 

Hey, I get it. I’m not even friends with Levein or Budge, and I am disgusted with the abuse they receive. 

 

Let the mods get on with their jobs? Definitely. I agree completely. It was you who brought up your surprise at their actions regarding stuff said about MacKay, not me.

 

All I did was ask you why you never made the same protests when it came to abusing Levein and Budge.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Icon of Symmetry