Smith's right boot Posted August 12 9 hours ago, davemclaren said: Could. No, it definitely will. FACT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted August 12 6 hours ago, mitch41 said: Why is he still the manager that is the question. whether 'tis in Ann's mind to let us suffer, the slugs of drink help us from suffering, that helps us to forget our troubles, the heart-ache and the thousands of fans, who shuffle out of our holy tynecastle, after another huff and puff of a performance, we pray for change so our hearts can be lifted. Your liver must take a pounding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted August 12 9 hours ago, rudi must stay said: Why is Motherwell all of a sudden a massive game (League Cup in August). He has a 3 year deal and every signing he's wanted he's got, so he's been backed. He has survived East Fife too The job is his as long as he wants. I just hope Ann Budge doesn't give him an extension, I cannot imagine the reaction of the fans It might not be a “massive” game for Levein as he is Teflon as far as Budge is concerned. It is however a massive game for us fans as an exit puts us further into the doldrums and takes away any chance of another Hampden appearance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John mcCartney Posted August 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zlatanable said: “Sometimes I’ll ask Craig who a particular individual reports to. The answer is always the same: ‘Me, I suppose.’ We are getting bigger so we need some more conventional practices in place to do things professionally." If she can focus on the structure of the football side, I believe she will be able to improve it. Ann actually doesnt put levein in a good light when reading the comments by her on him recently. The above quotation supplied by Zlatan along with her describing him as unorganised as well makes me think of an emerging light at the end of a long tunnel. I reckon Ann will know to do the correct thing in getting shot of the man pretty soon. It may be the hardest decision in her professional life to make. Edited August 12 by John mcCartney Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Slim Stylee Posted August 12 27 minutes ago, John mcCartney said: Ann actually doesnt put levein in a good light when reading the comments by her on him recently. The above quotation supplied by Zlatan along with her describing him as unorganised as well makes me think of an emerging light at the end of a long tunnel. I reckon Ann will know to do the correct thing in getting shot of the man pretty soon. It may be the hardest decision in her professional life to make. I don’t mean to sound trite but it seems like it’s all getting a bit much for him, as well as us. That kind of comment from a senior management figure in any business would have all sorts of alarm bells going off. I think Budge will be worried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pagey Posted August 12 2 hours ago, John mcCartney said: Ann actually doesnt put levein in a good light when reading the comments by her on him recently. The above quotation supplied by Zlatan along with her describing him as unorganised as well makes me think of an emerging light at the end of a long tunnel. I reckon Ann will know to do the correct thing in getting shot of the man pretty soon. It may be the hardest decision in her professional life to make. Not sure if there is a proper HR function in place but organisational design and ensuring that the organisation is effective from a reporting/span of control perspective should be a priority in a growing business. He shouldn't have to think about reporting lines as it should be planned unless perhaps that structure isn't in place. Would be surprised if it wasn't given Ann's business history. If not then it should be to ensure that the focus of the coach/manager/DOF is in the right places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psychedelicropcircle Posted August 13 In order to review the football department all 13000 of you only need to hold your doe back next summer. At this point my decision to do so looks a blinder! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manaliveits105 Posted August 13 a female deer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mre Posted August 13 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: a female deer Doh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DETTY29 Posted August 13 1 hour ago, manaliveits105 said: a female deer Certainly no ray, a drop of golden sun at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manaliveits105 Posted August 13 a long long way to go Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted August 13 3 hours ago, Psychedelicropcircle said: In order to review the football department all 13000 of you only need to hold your doe back next summer. At this point my decision to do so looks a blinder! Aye. 😄 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Byyy The Light Posted August 13 10 hours ago, John mcCartney said: Ann actually doesnt put levein in a good light when reading the comments by her on him recently. The above quotation supplied by Zlatan along with her describing him as unorganised as well makes me think of an emerging light at the end of a long tunnel. I reckon Ann will know to do the correct thing in getting shot of the man pretty soon. It may be the hardest decision in her professional life to make. She’ll put him back upstairs. The review of the football side quote was lining it all up imo. Don’t think Levein has any intention on staying on after the end of his 3years this year. Nor has he ever had. Get the impression the squad probably know this too, hence going through the motions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitch41 Posted August 13 2 hours ago, Byyy The Light said: She’ll put him back upstairs. The review of the football side quote was lining it all up imo. Don’t think Levein has any intention on staying on after the end of his 3years this year. Nor has he ever had. Get the impression the squad probably know this too, hence going through the motions. when the football dept. is organised by Ann a DOF job should really become more of an administrative position which needs to be a person who is 100% organised. I see Levein leaving Hearts when he loses the Managers job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Francis Albert Posted August 13 (edited) 22 hours ago, Zlatanable said: Maybe. But I am going to try an keep an open mind. Ann Budge knows this next year is critical. FoH are due to finish paying back 'Bidco' and then take ownership of Hearts in 2020. Part 1 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/foh-take-control-of-hearts-in-12-months-time-and-stuart-wallace-outlines-what-will-happen-1-4892122 Part 2 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ann-budge-will-get-final-say-on-key-hearts-decisions-after-foh-transfer-1-4892876 There is a lot of stuff to get sorted, planned, considered. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/latest-hearts-news/big-interview-ann-budge-explains-why-she-is-fully-behind-hearts-boss-craig-levein-1-4974718 “I’ve changed departments around in here for good business reasons. Now I’m looking at the football department and reviewing it. My vision is to be the best we can be in everything we do. That’s on the field but also backroom staff, medical department, sports science department. I’m asking if we have the right number of people at the right level and if we are structured properly so there is clarity. “Sometimes I’ll ask Craig who a particular individual reports to. The answer is always the same: ‘Me, I suppose.’ We are getting bigger so we need some more conventional practices in place to do things professionally." Like others have said, Ann has been more focused on the non-football parts, and let Craig do that. I live in hope, and I think AB has done a lot of good things for Hearts. If she can focus on the structure of the football side, I believe she will be able to improve it. That's quite an eye opener. I can't imagine answering that question from my boss (even if he/she is not the Chairman and Chief Executive) in that way. And if I admitted more than once to not being sure who reports to me I doubt he/she would be my boss for very long. Bizarre. It is not even a question of doing things professionally. Even an amateur outfit has a defined organisational structure which the senior members of the organisation understand. Edited August 13 by Francis Albert Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davemclaren Posted August 16 On 12/08/2019 at 12:46, GorgieFifeLife said: At the moment that seems like dream land! Sometimes you have to dream. 😎 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GorgieFifeLife Posted August 16 14 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Sometimes you have to dream. 😎 Aye decent win, struggle second half but got through. Now we need consistency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
afanderson33 Posted August 25 She must be putting a lot of work into this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve123 Posted August 25 1 hour ago, afanderson33 said: She must be putting a lot of work into this one. yip ridiculous really, why mention in the first place !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam_the_legend Posted August 25 The silence is deafening... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feedtheroman2 Posted August 25 I actually put money on us to win today. Why? I was sober at the time too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Ramsay Posted August 26 Maybe when we win a league game she'll enlighten us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 26 (edited) The football department is currently a black hole swallowing all of the joy in our lives. Hearts fans don’t even want to discuss Hearts at present. Its like talking about Brexit or Scottish independence. Let’s just not talk about it as it’ll just depress everyone. It is worse than it was under Cathro, at least with him there was always the hope that they’d sack him. Now there’s no hope we just have to accept the eternal Levein Edited August 26 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nookie Bear Posted August 26 A proper review will take some time, I would imagine. Could be as late as Christmas for anything to come out of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cut The Crap Posted August 26 3 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: The football department is currently a black hole swallowing all of the joy in our lives. Hearts fans don’t even want to discuss Hearts at present. Its like talking about Brexit or Scottish independence. Let’s just not talk about it as it’ll just depress everyone. It is worse than it was under Cathro, at least with him there was always the hope that they’d sack him. Now there’s no hope we just have to accept the eternal Levein Depressing, yet accurate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitch41 Posted August 26 3 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: The football department is currently a black hole swallowing all of the joy in our lives. Hearts fans don’t even want to discuss Hearts at present. Its like talking about Brexit or Scottish independence. Let’s just not talk about it as it’ll just depress everyone. It is worse than it was under Cathro, at least with him there was always the hope that they’d sack him. Now there’s no hope we just have to accept the eternal Levein Question: And who will Ann be advised by during her review of Hearts football departments ? Answer: Craig Levein We’re F##### ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boab Posted August 26 4 hours ago, Gordon Ramsay said: Maybe when we win a league game she'll enlighten us. Saturday night then ! That’s if they’re not out on the lash, celebrating ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ribble Posted August 26 3 hours ago, Nookie Bear said: A proper review will take some time, I would imagine. Could be as late as Christmas for anything to come out of it. I doubt we will see anything of note come from it in all honesty. I've a feeling that it's simply a HR exercise to implement actual reporting lines instead of the unstructured way at present where everyone reports directly to CL so 1st team coaches report to McPhee who reports to CL, Academy coaches report to Arnott who reports to CL, scouts report to Murray who reports to CL etc etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitch41 Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, Ribble said: I doubt we will see anything of note come from it in all honesty. I've a feeling that it's simply a HR exercise to implement actual reporting lines instead of the unstructured way at present where everyone reports directly to CL so 1st team coaches report to McPhee who reports to CL, Academy coaches report to Arnott who reports to CL, scouts report to Murray who reports to CL etc etc CEO reports to CL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 I reckon this review will be important. Wonder when it will arrive, and if we will get to see it. I'm thinking it will be an internal document, and we'll get a summary of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gizmo Posted September 11 (edited) On 12/08/2019 at 13:22, mitch41 said: Why is he still the manager that is the question. whether 'tis in Ann's mind to let us suffer, the slugs of drink help us from suffering, that helps us to forget our troubles, the heart-ache and the thousands of fans, who shuffle out of our holy tynecastle, after another huff and puff of a performance, we pray for change so our hearts can be lifted. Edited September 11 by Gizmo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deevers Posted September 11 On 13/08/2019 at 11:25, mitch41 said: when the football dept. is organised by Ann a DOF job should really become more of an administrative position which needs to be a person who is 100% organised. I see Levein leaving Hearts when he loses the Managers job. I think the problem is that he actually has far too much on his plate. Neither job is getting done properly. I actually think that he knows himself that the present situation just cannot be sustained. He actually did a very good job as DoF to start with. That’s were his strength is and he should get back to that and get a new man in post looking after first team affairs. Preferably not one of the present set of coaches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ToqueJambo Posted September 11 I am looking forward to a powerpoint presentation on a massive screen at Tynecastle, with free biscuits and time set aside for booing at the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid Calder Jambo Posted September 11 43 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: I reckon this review will be important. Wonder when it will arrive, and if we will get to see it. I'm thinking it will be an internal document, and we'll get a summary of it. I think it will be like the sign in the pub "Free beer tomorrow". I don't hold out much hope that Hoddit and Doddit will bring anything out. By the way is CL away yet. Don't know what to do on Saturday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 11 On 26/08/2019 at 07:57, Nookie Bear said: A proper review will take some time, I would imagine. Could be as late as Christmas for anything to come out of it. No rush, season is over already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 1 minute ago, Mid Calder Jambo said: I think it will be like the sign in the pub "Free beer tomorrow". I don't hold out much hope that Hoddit and Doddit will bring anything out. By the way is CL away yet. Don't know what to do on Saturday. I can't criticise you deciding to be wholeheartedly miserable and cynical about it. One day at a time for me though, so I am waiting for this review. I think it will tell us a lot; how it communicated, not just what it says. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 11 Just now, Zlatanable said: I can't criticise you deciding to be wholeheartedly miserable and cynical about it. One day at a time for me though, so I am waiting for this review. I think it will tell us a lot; how it communicated, not just what it says. It’ll be about 50,000 words long, split into sections and - in conclusion - will say ‘we need to see improvement but it doesn’t really matter if we don’t.’ Followed by a ticking off from our behaviour and some comments about Hibs hopefully winning a trophy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted September 11 1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: It’ll be about 50,000 words long, split into sections and - in conclusion - will say ‘we need to see improvement but it doesn’t really matter if we don’t.’ Followed by a ticking off from our behaviour and some comments about Hibs hopefully winning a trophy. Genuinely funny post right there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 5 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: It’ll be about 50,000 words long, split into sections and - in conclusion - will say ‘we need to see improvement but it doesn’t really matter if we don’t.’ Followed by a ticking off from our behaviour and some comments about Hibs hopefully winning a trophy. It might be that. I hope it is taking more time cos they have realised it is a significant thing to do. I expect it needs to be part of the next long-term vision. So will have to include youth football, womens football, and many 1st team issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mid Calder Jambo Posted September 11 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zlatanable said: I can't criticise you deciding to be wholeheartedly miserable and cynical about it. One day at a time for me though, so I am waiting for this review. I think it will tell us a lot; how it communicated, not just what it says. The issue that I have with the current regime is that it is their way or the highway. We have had the same song sung since CL took over again and until we got cheated by Father Collum ay Murrayfield we were doing ok. Now that CL has had his hee haws well and truly kicked he has no plan B. That worries me because computer woman doesn't have a scooby doo either. If we were a wedding venue or a restaurant chain then we mught have a chance but we are a frekin football club that should be judged by results on the pitch and currently that means null points. Edited September 11 by Mid Calder Jambo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobNox Posted September 11 On 26/08/2019 at 07:57, Nookie Bear said: A proper review will take some time, I would imagine. Could be as late as Christmas for anything to come out of it. It shouldn't take anywhere near that long. I worked for a large financial organisation, annual turnover >£20 bn, and a full strategic review would be undertaken every 3 years, and would take c 3 months. Hearts is an infinitely smaller business, and we are only reviewing the football department, so it really shouldn't take anything like 3 months to complete, 4-6 weeks should be more than enough time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 7 minutes ago, Mid Calder Jambo said: The issue that I have with the current regime is that it is their way or the highway. We have had the same song sung since CL took over again and until we got cheated by Father Collum ay Murrayfield we were doing ok. Now that CL has had his hee haws well and truly kicked he has no plan B. That worries me because computer woman doesn't have a scooby doo either. If we were a wedding venue or a restaurant chain then we mught have a chance but we are a frekin football club that should be judged by results on the pitch and currently that means null points. The reality is, it is always 'their way or the highway', at most clubs. We just need to hope/pray they aren't total mouth. I have faith in Ann Budge at the moment, but I also see what you say, Hearts are the first team. And it isn't the best picture at the moment. Foundation of Hearts are scheduled to take over in 2020, with probably Ann Budge in charge of the executive (is that the word) but with probably a closer sense of feedback. Which is why I am looking forward to this Football review. It's become really important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 11 I think Craig Levein has redacted this report in a bigger way than the Operation Yellowhammer report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farin Posted September 11 39 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: It’ll be about 50,000 words long, split into sections and - in conclusion - will say ‘we need to see improvement but it doesn’t really matter if we don’t.’ Followed by a ticking off from our behaviour and some comments about Hibs hopefully winning a trophy. But will Levein get her seal of approval ?. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: I think Craig Levein has redacted this report in a bigger way than the Operation Yellowhammer report. There ought to be a lollipop reward system in place for such replies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
i8hibsh Posted September 11 3 hours ago, Zlatanable said: I reckon this review will be important. Wonder when it will arrive, and if we will get to see it. I'm thinking it will be an internal document, and we'll get a summary of it. It reads as follows: Conclusion = Craig is doing a fine job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 10 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: It reads as follows: Conclusion = Craig is doing a fine job. I don't think it will be like that. There is more to it. Imo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FruitJuice Posted September 11 11 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: It reads as follows: Conclusion = Craig is doing a fine job. It will say that Craig will no longer have a haphazard approach to the job and it's not my fault for letting him be that way. And someone in charge saying ' I don't know what to do about it ' will no longer be accepted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted September 11 A Football review. First team results should be the most important thing at the club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlatanable Posted September 11 1 minute ago, Des Lynam said: A Football review. First team results should be the most important thing at the club. do you think Hearts should win the league every year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
