Des Lynam Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 15 hours ago, ri Alban said: Mohamed is a con man, who used this as a way to bring about his people to fight against the oppressors, and make himself rich and powerful. Lionheart and Saladin reenacted it a little later. Bit like Sturgeon then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 14/07/2019 at 21:18, Sarah O said: If this is what Christianity teaches it can't die soon enough. It would be certainly interesting to see how a world would function without religion. We are entering a post Christian society as more young people have no interest in religion. Administration looms.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Grandmother of my next door neighbour used to get caned for writing with her left hand at school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brian Dundas said: Its an interesting thing the old Bible and word of god etc.... I'd like to know how you decide as an individual which version of the Bible is the true word of god? And then how you decide what parts are to be taken literally and what parts are more open to interpretation or even completely ignored? In the context of this discussion it is interesting that anal sex and gay marriage are not allowed however I've never heard of Christian men being bothered about where menstruating women have been sitting......... The genius of the writers of the bible - the Koran etc is that you can read and interpret the context any which way you want. Edited July 18, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 We need more 'sodomy' imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, FWJ said: Grandmother of my next door neighbour used to get caned for writing with her left hand at school. I don't think she was the only one but what relevance does that have here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: I don't think she was the only one but what relevance does that have here? What is and isn't "normal"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Boris said: What is and isn't "normal"? I see, we have regressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, SE16 3LN said: I see, we have regressed. In what way? In respect of the thread, or as a species in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, FWJ said: Grandmother of my next door neighbour used to get caned for writing with her left hand at school. Sounds a bit sinister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, been here before said: Sounds a bit sinister. They thought she wasn’t adroit or dexterous. A bit gauche really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Boris said: In what way? In respect of the thread, or as a species in general? As a thread, assuming that the debate is now back to whether being Gay is normal or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, SE16 3LN said: As a thread, assuming that the debate is now back to whether being Gay is normal or not. Ah, gotcha. I suppose it's an underlying theme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, FWJ said: They thought she wasn’t adroit or dexterous. A bit gauche really. Actually having suffered the same encouragement and the beginning of applying chalk to a slate to learn to write, I in adulthood realised it had nothing to do with the child it was the fact that eveything in the classroom desks particularly were designed, ink wells etc to right handedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 18 hours ago, colinmaroon said: In order to make it clear that I'm not talking about the person but the act of sodomy. On the one hand I'm told that nature is a matter of evolution and the survival of the fittest and, on the other, the act of having sex with someone of the same gender is just not "natural." The fact is God loves the lot of you and has demonstrated that only to be cursed spat on and rejected. Thank goodness He's not like the lynch mob on here nor me, for that matter. I'd turn you all into Hibbies. Anyway, signing off with a piece of info, Bob's your Auntie! so it is not natural yet lots of animal species engage in it http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20150206-are-there-any-homosexual-animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Des Lynam said: It would be certainly interesting to see how a world would function without religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 16/07/2019 at 12:52, i8hibsh said: I don't know the stats but I'm gonna just put it out there that as a proportion, gay people commit far less crime. Yes it is clearly true . And most gay people inside prison are there for fraud / petty crimes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 In all my years going to gay bars I’ve hardly seen any fights now compare that to the “ straight “ bars I’ve been to and I’ve seen loads through the years , either Inside or out . Drunken straight male toxicity is a scary site . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 4 hours ago, JamesM48 said: In all my years going to gay bars I’ve hardly seen any fights now compare that to the “ straight “ bars I’ve been to and I’ve seen loads through the years , either Inside or out . Drunken straight male toxicity is a scary site . Not even handbags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 hours ago, JamesM48 said: In all my years going to gay bars I’ve hardly seen any fights now compare that to the “ straight “ bars I’ve been to and I’ve seen loads through the years , either Inside or out . Drunken straight male toxicity is a scary site . For balance, I don't think I've seen rampant drug use anywhere like I've seen in gay bars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 13 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Not even handbags? LOL no dear !!!! However i saw a viscous fight between two lesbians one time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 12 hours ago, Smithee said: For balance, I don't think I've seen rampant drug use anywhere like I've seen in gay bars! Well u obviously havent been to loads of straight pubs or pubs along dalry and gorgie after matches its fairly snowing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: LOL no dear !!!! However i saw a viscous fight between two lesbians one time.... Yummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Starting to think now this might not be real. I hope i'm wrong as it would be a shame for there to have been such a big debate from it for someone to just be taking the piss. I could be wrong and the guy just needs the time, i hope so anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Morph said: Starting to think now this might not be real. I hope i'm wrong as it would be a shame for there to have been such a big debate from it for someone to just be taking the piss. I could be wrong and the guy just needs the time, i hope so anyway. i fecking told you all this about two weeks ago. Read the statement - absolutely no way a player/club would produce a statement like that. it’s total bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 13 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Not even handbags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: i fecking told you all this about two weeks ago. Read the statement - absolutely no way a player/club would produce a statement like that. it’s total bollocks Tbh I think it's real. But we've three weeks still to go anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Even if it's fake, it's at least reminded folk that Christians are as much backward and intolerant as their fellow religious kin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: i fecking told you all this about two weeks ago. Read the statement - absolutely no way a player/club would produce a statement like that. it’s total bollocks Why not? It's not the statement that makes me think it's fake just that its been drawn out for quite a while. I thought the idea was the dust would settle then he would announce it and i think most people have gotten over the fact there's a gay player. Not for me to say though as i amn't the one doing it, hope it's not fake as doesn't help anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, JamesM48 said: LOL no dear !!!! However i saw a viscous fight between two lesbians one time.... I've seen that video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Morgan said: JamesM48 is a good sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: JamesM48 is a good sport. I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 4 hours ago, i8hibsh said: JamesM48 is a good sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidelight Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: Even if it's fake, it's at least reminded folk that Christians are as much backward and intolerant as their fellow religious kin. You are promulgating a perception which from my observations and contribution here on JKB is simply inaccurate and false. Yes, the New Testament is very clear on its ‘No’ this is sinful stance when relating to homosexual relationships, however it leaves no room for a ‘them and us’ mindset. According to Jesus, every adult Christian is in some way time or another defiled and guilty of sexual sin. Having made that clear, it is certainly not homophobic to uphold Christian biblical views on this subject. But if a Christian shows prejudice or distaste towards homosexual people then they should be ashamed of themselves and repent of their unbiblical attitudes. Edited July 19, 2019 by alfajambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, alfajambo said: You are promulgating a perception which from my observations and contribution here on JKB is simply inaccurate and false. Yes, the New Testament is very clear on its ‘No’ this is sinful stance when relating to homosexual relationships, however it leaves no room for a ‘them and us’ mindset. According to Jesus, every adult Christian is in some way time or another defiled and guilty of sexual sin. Having made that clear, it is certainly not homophobic to uphold Christian biblical views on this subject. But if a Christian shows prejudice or distaste towards homosexual people then they should be ashamed of themselves and repent of their unbiblical attitudes. Exactly the point! It's the sin that's the "problem" before God. That is not the way the world works, as can be seen on this thread, and that includes professing Christians who conform to the kind of personally directed abuse against the individual that we've seen on here. If I am to be judged for condemning the "sin" then, m'Lud, please take into account these other offences - the Bible teaches that sex outside of (Christian) marriage, stealing, lying, envy, jealousy, bitterness, unforgiveness, resentment, gossiping, strife, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, ethnic and racial prejudice, drunkenness, partiality based on wealth or position, all kinds of corruption, murder, rape, abuse, and things like these, are all sin. No wonder the world hates Christ! And no wonder I need Him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, alfajambo said: You are promulgating a perception which from my observations and contribution here on JKB is simply inaccurate and false. Yes, the New Testament is very clear on its ‘No’ this is sinful stance when relating to homosexual relationships, however it leaves no room for a ‘them and us’ mindset. According to Jesus, every adult Christian is in some way time or another defiled and guilty of sexual sin. Having made that clear, it is certainly not homophobic to uphold Christian biblical views on this subject. But if a Christian shows prejudice or distaste towards homosexual people then they should be ashamed of themselves and repent of their unbiblical attitudes. Hiding behind made up stories to defend your homophobia 😂😂😂 Stick to defending your racist pal Trump. Ever notice you are on the wrong side of every debate you take part in!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Anyway, back in the real world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, alfajambo said: You are promulgating a perception which from my observations and contribution here on JKB is simply inaccurate and false. Yes, the New Testament is very clear on its ‘No’ this is sinful stance when relating to homosexual relationships, however it leaves no room for a ‘them and us’ mindset. According to Jesus, every adult Christian is in some way time or another defiled and guilty of sexual sin. Having made that clear, it is certainly not homophobic to uphold Christian biblical views on this subject. But if a Christian shows prejudice or distaste towards homosexual people then they should be ashamed of themselves and repent of their unbiblical attitudes. The New Testament and what Jesus said means absolutely nothing though, and that's where the problems lie. Your actions and beliefs are inspired by something the vast majority of people in this country simply see as made up nonsense. You might not like that, and I'm not trying to offend you, but to the majority, it's simply not acceptable for religious people to call homosexuality anything but natural and beautiful by hiding behind an ancient text that quite frankly has no more authority than Harry Potter. Do you think Colin overstepped the mark whatsoever on this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 8 hours ago, alfajambo said: You are promulgating a perception which from my observations and contribution here on JKB is simply inaccurate and false. Yes, the New Testament is very clear on its ‘No’ this is sinful stance when relating to homosexual relationships, however it leaves no room for a ‘them and us’ mindset. According to Jesus, every adult Christian is in some way time or another defiled and guilty of sexual sin. Having made that clear, it is certainly not homophobic to uphold Christian biblical views on this subject. But if a Christian shows prejudice or distaste towards homosexual people then they should be ashamed of themselves and repent of their unbiblical attitudes. 6 hours ago, colinmaroon said: Exactly the point! It's the sin that's the "problem" before God. That is not the way the world works, as can be seen on this thread, and that includes professing Christians who conform to the kind of personally directed abuse against the individual that we've seen on here. If I am to be judged for condemning the "sin" then, m'Lud, please take into account these other offences - the Bible teaches that sex outside of (Christian) marriage, stealing, lying, envy, jealousy, bitterness, unforgiveness, resentment, gossiping, strife, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, ethnic and racial prejudice, drunkenness, partiality based on wealth or position, all kinds of corruption, murder, rape, abuse, and things like these, are all sin. No wonder the world hates Christ! And no wonder I need Him! Thank you both for stating your positions in a reasonable manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 I never comment when people go on about the bible and their values based on this piece of made up nonsense . It’s a complete waste of energy and gives those bible thumpers a aura of respectability when they are just using it as a tool to justify their intolerance . Morality is an evolving concept and thankfully no laws are based on that pile of nonsense . We are gradually evolving into a more tolerant society ( most of the time ) without referencing the bible to give us this moral framework . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 19/07/2019 at 15:03, i8hibsh said: JamesM48 is a good sport. I can give as well as take !! Boom boom 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I can give as well as take !! Boom boom 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I never comment when people go on about the bible and their values based on this piece of made up nonsense . It’s a complete waste of energy and gives those bible thumpers a aura of respectability when they are just using it as a tool to justify their intolerance . Morality is an evolving concept and thankfully no laws are based on that pile of nonsense . We are gradually evolving into a more tolerant society ( most of the time ) without referencing the bible to give us this moral framework . Spot on. Sadly I don't think religion will die soon, just look at our young team. They love God and being staunch proddys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Sarah O said: just look at our young team. They love God and being staunch proddys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 16 hours ago, JamesM48 said: I can give as well as take !! Boom boom 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Sarah O said: Spot on. Sadly I don't think religion will die soon, just look at our young team. They love God and being staunch proddys. You obviously havent been to church lately? I was at a catholic service the other week there ( a friends Ordination) and the average age was around 60 . It is dying out . Well thats my hope. The " young team" may spout religion shit but they hardly attend church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: You obviously havent been to church lately? Correct. However, our young guns must be regulars. They always sing about religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: The " young team" may spout religion shit but they hardly attend church. No pyro, no prayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 18 hours ago, Sarah O said: Spot on. Sadly I don't think religion will die soon, just look at our young team. They love God and being staunch proddys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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