Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bad Religion said: Geoffs never been wrong. Not sure how you work that out. Glad that other poster remains on my ignore list though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: I look at 17 permanent signings last season, 4 loan deals and half a dozen success stories. That is realism. Expecting 21 incoming this Summer on very limited budget? If not, why do you expect the same outcome? Negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sid said: Expecting 21 incoming this Summer on very limited budget? If not, why do you expect the same outcome? Negative. Not expecting 21, thankfully. Expecting a similar success rate of quality out of quantity though. Empirical evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie.nolan.5 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ribble said: Has anyone that's gone for the finance option received as much as a confirmation email? Submitted yesterday and had nothing! No I’m the same not had a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Not expecting 21, thankfully. Expecting a similar success rate of quality out of quantity though. Empirical evidence. What empirical evidence do you have for the success of signings such as Clare, Wighton, Uche, Mulraney, Burns, Garuccio etc who are all relatively young? Their ability is transient and can improve dramatically over the next season or two. How many games do you make it to each season, out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: What empirical evidence do you have for the success of signings such as Clare, Wighton, Uche, Mulraney, Burns, Garuccio etc who are all relatively young? Their ability is transient and can improve dramatically over the next season or two. How many games do you make it to each season, out of interest? Clare, Wighton and Garuccio success stories? I'll agree to disagree on that one. I'm hoping to make 1 game next season but it will depend on fixtures and timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Clare, Wighton and Garuccio success stories? I'll agree to disagree on that one. I'm hoping to make 1 game next season but it will depend on fixtures and timing. There isn't anything to disagree with. I asked what evidence you have for the success of those players as signings, considering they are young and they can develop exponentially over the coming season? Best example of the huge improvement a player can achieve is Andrew Robertson, released by Celtic in 2009, Champions League winner in 2019. Unlikely any of our lads will develop to such a drastic extent but it provides an insight into the transient nature of footballing ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: There isn't anything to disagree with. I asked what evidence you have for the success of those players as signings, considering they are young and they can develop exponentially over the coming season? Best example of the huge improvement a player can achieve is Andrew Robertson, released by Celtic in 2009, Champions League winner in 2019. Unlikely any of our lads will develop to such a drastic extent but it provides an insight into the transient nature of footballing ability. I'll be amazed if any of them develop into players for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 43 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Not expecting 21, thankfully. Expecting a similar success rate of quality out of quantity though. Empirical evidence. Big word. Psh tho for the reasons stated previously. Focussing on a smaller number with a bigger budget and less pressure should produce a better result. You could take the negative view though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: I'll be amazed if any of them develop into players for us. Is this belief based entirely on watching games on TV and Hearts World? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: I'll be amazed if any of them develop into players for us. Amazed but , it would seem , not delighted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: I'll be amazed if any of them develop into players for us. Garuccio has hardly put a foot wrong when he’s played. Steady but unspectacular. He was signed as back up to Mitchell and was never meant to be first choice. Clare and Wighton without question have ability. It’s down to application for both of them. Wouldn’t write them off yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaap's Sigh Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Myself, my brother and mate all renewed yesterday. Plenty more will do the same now the finance is sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Cant see it with Wighton, something just not there, flickers of ability, but like a starter needing to be replaced rather than one you know is going to produce a glowing light very shortly. Garuccio has been ok, nothing spectacular, seemed to suffer for not being able to take instruction on board. A bit meh. Played well in some, not so in others, handy back up. Jamie McAllister of his day. Clare has really been panned for the hype. A couple of cracking goals, very good running power and some lovely flashes. He really was a luxury in the team that was struggling and an asset in the brief period, lo and behold he was teamed with Naismith. He will be a success if we get momentum as a team, I'm fairly sure of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Garuccio has hardly put a foot wrong when he’s played. Steady but unspectacular. He was signed as back up to Mitchell and was never meant to be first choice. Clare and Wighton without question have ability. It’s down to application for both of them. Wouldn’t write them off yet. I'm not convinced by Wighton yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jambo_in_Hamilton said: I'm not convinced by Wighton yet No one is, but he has the ability to be a good player. All i’m saying is don’t write him off yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 This thread has veered a wee bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Is this belief based entirely on watching games on TV and Hearts World? Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, graygo said: This thread has veered a wee bit. A little bit, but players may influence people to buying or not, not personally, but I can see why some may find it hard to support some players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, johnthomas said: Amazed but , it would seem , not delighted Not sure how you got that. We all want a successful Hearts team. Shite players generally don't create a successful team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Not sure how you got that. We all want a successful Hearts team. Shite players generally don't create a successful team. Unless you find a coach like Stevie Clarke....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Section Q said: Unless you find a coach like Stevie Clarke....? Zing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Form Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, stevie.nolan.5 said: No I’m the same not had a thing. Thank God. I thought I was the only one getting the silent treatment. It looks like the new company ain’t that good at communicating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Uses ‘empirical evidence’ to knock Hearts signing record. Ignores much more reliable empirical evidence which trends ST sales to >13,000. Oh kickback, never change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Not sure how you got that. We all want a successful Hearts team. Shite players generally don't create a successful team. I got that from your posts . You give me (pretty sure others too) the impression that you would rather be proved right than for these players to come good . Perhaps I'm totally wrong but my opinion is only based on what you post . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 With the finance now in place I'd expect a wee jump this month. All good. Unsure why some posters are arguing vigoursly about stuff that hasn't happened yet. Shite signings coming , poor performance next season, drop in St sales etc. Wierd doesn't quite cover it. More to the point, I got to move 5 rows up, will miss my cameos on bt sport, but being in the first row was unsettling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said: Uses ‘empirical evidence’ to knock Hearts signing record. Ignores much more reliable empirical evidence which trends ST sales to >13,000. Oh kickback, never change. Ann Widdecombe (sp), hasn't a look in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, S Form said: Thank God. I thought I was the only one getting the silent treatment. It looks like the new company ain’t that good at communicating. I've gone through finance, no acknowledgement either. If I have my heard within a week I'll get in touch, I imagine there will be a high volume of applications being processed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Sid said: Big word. Psh tho for the reasons stated previously. Focussing on a smaller number with a bigger budget and less pressure should produce a better result. You could take the negative view though... And you can take the “happy clapping” route...Unlike you, others are not going to candy coat what has been a poor season for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamthejambo Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 15/05/2019 at 12:14, Heartsofgold said: Rubbish. Do you think that this successful business woman, who built and sold a very, very successful company in a VERY competitive market doesn't pay heed to performance and results then you are just mental. She will have had conversations with him about our performances and it will have been brought up that the clubs main customers are VERY unhappy with this performance. These conversations will have been frank and probably very uncomfortable for CL. He will get this year to show on field improvement but to do this he need us to support the club with our cash. If we don't then he won't be able to and that's when the real downward spiral of even shitter players starts. Why would you hand over money to someone you don’t trust ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Liamthejambo said: Why would you hand over money to someone you don’t trust ? Looks like 10500+ have at least some level of trust or faith in the management team. If you don’t then that’s your prerogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Muddie Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 22 hours ago, JamboGraham said: Excellent info and posting from @Footballfirst today. Much appreciated, thank you. Catching up with this thread slowly, but here here. Good work from FF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW1 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Anyone else having trouble with the finance page? I've applied for my season ticket yet it's saying it will review my information etc etc afterwards and I'm hearing nothing else. I thought you got an instant decision? The weird thing is, is that I get my business insurance through Premium Credit so I shouldnt be having any trouble whatsoever! Been trying all day, first there were problems with the website looking for what seat I wanted now this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, HMFC 86 said: And you can take the “happy clapping” route...Unlike you, others are not going to candy coat what has been a poor season for us. I’m anything but a happy clapper and I’ve shared on here my concerns about Levein. Which ones of Geoff’s negative comments specifically do you want to defend? Season ticket sales being spot on target and predicting a collapse? Likely success rate of buying 4 players with a bigger budget against 21 man overhaul on very restricted budget? Citing Vanacek as a Levein disaster when no-one knows the true story. Ignoring Naismith etc when debating recruitment policy? This isn’t about blind support for a manager, it’s about ignoring the facts to support an agenda. Negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 So ticket sales.... Gid eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, HMFC 86 said: And you can take the “happy clapping” route...Unlike you, others are not going to candy coat what has been a poor season for us. All irrelevant if your main focus is to support the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Not expecting 21, thankfully. Expecting a similar success rate of quality out of quantity though. Empirical evidence. What pleasure do you get sitting in the other side of the world having digs at our club?? I honestly don't get it. Any fan I have ever met that now lives abroad is 100% positive about their club they can no longer see in the flesh. All you post is negative over and over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, XB52 said: What pleasure do you get sitting in the other side of the world having digs at our club?? I honestly don't get it. Any fan I have ever met that now lives abroad is 100% positive about their club they can no longer see in the flesh. All you post is negative over and over again Maybe he has a thing called a television and he can see how shite we are. Crazy eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, XB52 said: What pleasure do you get sitting in the other side of the world having digs at our club?? I honestly don't get it. Any fan I have ever met that now lives abroad is 100% positive about their club they can no longer see in the flesh. All you post is negative over and over again Would it possible to change Geoff’s name to include “negative view” just for those who haven’t read the last few years of negativity and naïvely believe it’s a balanced comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 We’ll be 6th with **** all trophy’s & a team that’s downed tools before the split...**** all to do with “a feel it in ma waters” & more to do with the last two seasons. And this thread to ignore another wasted season & repeat itself happy clapper style! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, XB52 said: What pleasure do you get sitting in the other side of the world having digs at our club?? I honestly don't get it. Any fan I have ever met that now lives abroad is 100% positive about their club they can no longer see in the flesh. All you post is negative over and over again Could depend upon who they are trying to ingratiate themselves with, I would imagine? The thing about fans living abroad, is they invariably try to maintain close links to an online community or two, and not agreeing with them on everything could mean you are left high and dry. I know of a couple of of guys who are friends of friends of folk that I know who behave in that way. ??♂️ Edited June 4, 2019 by Icon of Symmetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Credit agreement received by email, signed and confirmed. Not had a season ticket for 3 years now due to other circumstances, managed to get to a few games this season. see you's all in section N lower soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said: You must be a riot on a night out. Be positive. You might be in for a surprise. If folks are saying something special is gonna happen with a feel it in ma waters surely I can post given our manager is a one trick pony. The berra blooter ✅ 10 mins lost every game at throw ins✅ goalies Nowhere near any penalties ✅ strikers rarely scoring✅ A disjointed midfield✅ Negativity getting confused with reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Ffs why does every thread have to descend into the same petty squabbling about how Shite or otherwise we are , just **** off and don't come back till we're better I say . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Psychedelicropcircle said: [We’ll be 6th with **** all trophy’s & a team that’s downed tools before the split...**** all to do with “a feel it in ma waters” & more to do with the last two seasons. And this thread to ignore another wasted season & repeat itself happy clapper style! The thing is on here you're the one who gets laughed at. Look at the evidence? "Nah, I've got faith." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Psychedelicropcircle said: If folks are saying something special is gonna happen with a feel it in ma waters surely I can post given our manager is a one trick pony. The berra blooter ✅ 10 mins lost every game at throw ins✅ goalies Nowhere near any penalties ✅ strikers rarely scoring✅ A disjointed midfield✅ Negativity getting confused with reality. Reality getting confused with hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) I've just done another count to reflect the first day on general sale. Looks fairly healthy with 312 sold since the first post-release count yesterday morning, with seats gone in almost every section. I'd expect that sales should be reasonably good for the rest of the week before tailing off, then picking up again as we get close to the first league game. Edited June 4, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Muddie Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) Feeelings getting confused with facts. FACT: Season ticket sales are well on track and a positive summer of signings and good off-field news can restore our collective minds. Cheers FF - Nearly 11,000 STs already, and the old season only just finished Edited June 4, 2019 by Stephen Muddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: I've just done another count to reflect the first day on general sale. Looks fairly healthy with 312 sold since the first post-release count yesterday morning, with seats gone in almost every section. I'd expect that sales should be reasonably good for the rest of the week before tailing off, then picking up again as we get close to the first league game. Good news so we nearly at 11.000 already and only in early june Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH23-Jambo Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) Well after being a season ticket holder from 1986 to 2014 I've stopped working weekends after 5 years of them so yesterday I got a season ticket again. My boy is 7 so got Lower Section J Roseburn Tickets to ease him in before going to the Cat A games. Canny wait to get back ? Anyone else Lower J and is it good in that section? Edited June 4, 2019 by EH22-Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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