davemclaren Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, wattie exploited said: he can only get better hopefully as so far he aint looked that good mind you saying that the whole midfield have been shit the last few games !!!!! I think the midfield miss Naismith shouting at them what to do and making himself available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just watched the highlights and he looked poor. Loads of Celtic chances coming down our right and he’s just sauntering back and making no effort to defend. Doesn’t look interested. Appreciate he needs a pre season but a bit more effort is required. Should be nowhere near the first team at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynecastle Valhalla Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 He’s not ready yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Didn’t get out quick enough for the 3rd goal and left Forrest, pointing fingers as he did, for the 4th. Hopefully he improves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Takes time to get up to speed after being out with an injury. He’ll be good for us imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The fitness is not there, the guy should not be playing but he is through necessity. A lot of hard work ahead for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Patience is a virtue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I like him and he’ll be better than this at full tilt. Agree that having the older head of Naismith in there would help a lot of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick witter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 He clearly isn’t fit and so looks off the pace so we need to give him a bit time. A worrying thing for me is he has poor body language and looks like he can’t be arsed at times and you will never get away with looking like you are not trying as the fans will be on his back. Happy to give him time to get up to speed and show his abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, rick witter said: He clearly isn’t fit and so looks off the pace so we need to give him a bit time. A worrying thing for me is he has poor body language and looks like he can’t be arsed at times and you will never get away with looking like you are not trying as the fans will be on his back. Happy to give him time to get up to speed and show his abilities. This is the worry for me. Can forgive being a yard slow and not looking sharp if he’s not fit but the biggest question mark for me so far is his willingness to graft. Looks like he thinks he’s better than he is and we all know that doesn’t work in our league. Hopefully be proven wrong, not that I’m one to boo and lose my shit at players anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: Reminds me a bit of El Hass, although that might just be because hes a tall, skinny bloke wearing number 9. Hopefully hes more like a Sow once hes up and running. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 12 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: The fitness is not there, the guy should not be playing but he is through necessity. A lot of hard work ahead for him. This is the key thing. He is a young player who has been out injured for 7 months and had no pre-season and played ZERO development games. We have then (bar 25 mins as a sub) plunged him straight into two of our most important, highest tempo games of the season. Whilst it is true he hasn't set the heather on fire as yet, there has been plenty of evidence to suggest that he will go on to be a very important player for us. He is a player whose game is built on pace, strength and stamina and those attributes will improve with every game he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Drifter Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 From the little I've seen what he looks most short of is confidence. The speed, ability and technique are there, I think. When he becomes used to the speed of the game and gets to know his team-mates better I think he'll sort himself out. Remember Naisey didn't exactly get off to a flyer, did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 17 hours ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: Reminds me a bit of El Hass, although that might just be because hes a tall, skinny bloke wearing number 9. Hopefully hes more like a Sow once hes up and running. Sadly I had the same thought. Are we saying Clare will not come good until he has a full pre-season with us - that seemed to be the party line on here with regards to El Hass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Some players hit the ground running others take a bit of time to settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texia Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Very premature to be comparing him to El Hass imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 hours ago, davemclaren said: I think the midfield miss Naismith shouting at them what to do and making himself available. the midfield shouldn't need to be told what to do but your right here !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattie exploited Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 hours ago, portobellojambo1 said: He possibly didn't do himself any favours by saying he had been courted by a number of EPL teams before selecting HMFC, when there is no evidence to suggest that is actually the case. I'm guessing he is not fully fit yet, but having watched the games he has played so far I'm still none the wiser as to where he will fit into our side best. its early days yet but showed nothing so far ,yeah left midfield i think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I'm just going to worry for the sake of it. What are we worrying about btw ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said: I'm just going to worry for the sake of it. What are we worrying about btw ? Worrying too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Texia said: Very premature to be comparing him to El Hass imo. Agreed - the comparison was some on here said El Hass needed a full pre-season. Some on here seem to be suggesting the same with Clare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I hope I am wrong, but not been very many hints so far! I am sure he will get better, not certain though that he has star quality. He has come into a very difficult run at a difficult time, things not really in his favour, but even allowing for that, even glimpses, touches have been little to note.....so far, very early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: I hope I am wrong, but not been very many hints so far! I am sure he will get better, not certain though that he has star quality. He has come into a very difficult run at a difficult time, things not really in his favour, but even allowing for that, even glimpses, touches have been little to note.....so far, very early He has been training with us for what? 7 weeks?? He is short of game time, but if you have natural ability you don't just forget how to play football. Really hope he can make a positive contribution against Killie (if he plays) and shows us at least a glimpse of the cracking reputation he came with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 21 hours ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: Reminds me a bit of El Hass, although that might just be because hes a tall, skinny bloke wearing number 9. Hopefully hes more like a Sow once hes up and running. He reminds me of El Hassanoui as well which is worrying. The lad is maybe not fully fit yet but he has showed very little technical ability in the games he has played. Hopefully he gets more time on the ball against Kilmarnock on Saturday and he starts to find his rhythm. We really need this signing to work for us with the amount of injuries we have and the fact we broke our budget to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Thomaso said: Agreed - the comparison was some on here said El Hass needed a full pre-season. Some on here seem to be suggesting the same with Clare. Not having a pre-season won't help, but the much bigger issue is that he's having to gain match fitness in the first team which is a huge ask. It's all very unfair on Clare and has been forced on us by the injury crisis. He didn't let anyone down last Wednesday night and whilst Saturday was a painful exercise for everyone, he will benefit from getting more minutes in his legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Not having a go and acting superior or know-it-all here, but I feel as though this exact same thread comes up regarding every single injured player of decent pedigree we have ever signed. I honestly think far too many fans do not appreciate or understand how long it takes to get up to speed after an injury. Seen it with so many players, judged harshly when not up to full fitness and match-sharpness yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, David McCaig said: Not having a pre-season won't help, but the much bigger issue is that he's having to gain match fitness in the first team which is a huge ask. It's all very unfair on Clare and has been forced on us by the injury crisis. He didn't let anyone down last Wednesday night and whilst Saturday was a painful exercise for everyone, he will benefit from getting more minutes in his legs. Sorry. Never read this post before my last comment. Completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiepolio Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I'm sure he'll be the classic hearts signing. Keek until the end of the season. The fans will turn on him. Starts next season amazingly and hailed as the next messiah. Then gets injured. Out for 5 months. Finishes his hearts career derided as a wage thief. Signs for Doncaster on a free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Not having a go and acting superior or know-it-all here, but I feel as though this exact same thread comes up regarding every single injured player of decent pedigree we have ever signed. I honestly think far too many fans do not appreciate or understand how long it takes to get up to speed after an injury. Seen it with so many players, judged harshly when not up to full fitness and match-sharpness yet. You think people would realise given the difference in SN this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, jambogaza said: You think people would realise given the difference in SN this season. You would. Apparently not though. Same with Suso, Djoum, Souttar, and many many others over the seasons. Just totally disregard any possible circumstances around loss of form and expect players to perform like machines after nasty injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Not having a go and acting superior or know-it-all here, but I feel as though this exact same thread comes up regarding every single injured player of decent pedigree we have ever signed. I honestly think far too many fans do not appreciate or understand how long it takes to get up to speed after an injury. Seen it with so many players, judged harshly when not up to full fitness and match-sharpness yet. Begs the question though, why are we signing injured players who we know aren't going to have any pre-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wham Bam Austin McCann said: Begs the question though, why are we signing injured players who we know aren't going to have any pre-season? Because we aren’t in a position to just sign them up on two/three year deals when they are flying and attracting interest from elsewhere. In Clare’s particular situation, he would be financially well out of our budget to pick up if it wasn’t for a combination of his injury, and the fact English teams would have to pay a development compensation fee for him. We have to pock up players this way and play the longer game where you know they will take time to get up to speed, but if they do, you’ve got a player you wouldn’t normally be able to get. I don’t know if you fully appreciate just how massive the gulf in finances is between the SPFL Premiership and the English Championship nowadays. It’s ridiculous tbh. Edited November 5, 2018 by Glib and Shameless Crier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Clubs firefighting at the moment,too many crucial players out and we will be scrapping for another few weeks still.Club is doing well patching in from our pool needs patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planetjamie Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Tokyo Drifter said: From the little I've seen what he looks most short of is confidence. The speed, ability and technique are there, I think. When he becomes used to the speed of the game and gets to know his team-mates better I think he'll sort himself out. Remember Naisey didn't exactly get off to a flyer, did he? this is exactly what i'm thinking Naisy wasn't match 'sharp' his first season with us. Once he got a pre-season and proper up to speed he was like a different player. Lets hope Clare is much the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just back from an injury/op, barely played, shut up ffs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Personally I don’t think we will see much flair from him until after the winter break and more likely beginning of next season. He has swagger and certainly a reputation. We will be thankful to have him next season I’m sure of it. Its actually quite refreshing to see to see how hard it is for him in a way, much like Ollie Lee in that “he has joined a better league” as you could see he was stunned by the speed and intensity of the Derby! Rabbit in headlights but he will come good what I mean by refreshing is I get the feeling players from championship and below think it will be easy up here Edited November 5, 2018 by red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, BobbyJenkins said: Just back from an injury/op, barely played, shut up ffs ? Not counting injury time (which at a stretch is probably 6 extra mins in total) he has played 201 minutes of competitive football both first team and reserve this season. So 2 games and 21 minutes. Of which the vast majority of it came in a battling derby which is hard to show your skill and a game against Celtic which the whole team capitulated. He has been slow in getting going but that is to be expected. You could see in glimpses in the last two games that he likes to run at the opposition and as his confidence comes and he gets used to the speed of the game we will see the player that Levein is excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
151 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Because we aren’t in a position to just sign them up on two/three year deals when they are flying and attracting interest from elsewhere. In Clare’s particular situation, he would be financially well out of our budget to pick up if it wasn’t for a combination of his injury, and the fact English teams would have to pay a development compensation fee for him. We have to pock up players this way and play the longer game where you know they will take time to get up to speed, but if they do, you’ve got a player you wouldn’t normally be able to get. I don’t know if you fully appreciate just how massive the gulf in finances is between the SPFL Premiership and the English Championship nowadays. It’s ridiculous tbh. Of course I do, but you touched on it being something Hearts have done over a longer period of time than just Clare. I'm sure he'll be upto speed enough to impact games against bottom 6. Just need to bring him on in 70+ minutes in bigger games once we have our big guns back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyJenkins Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Not counting injury time (which at a stretch is probably 6 extra mins in total) he has played 201 minutes of competitive football both first team and reserve this season. So 2 games and 21 minutes. Of which the vast majority of it came in a battling derby which is hard to show your skill and a game against Celtic which the whole team capitulated. He has been slow in getting going but that is to be expected. You could see in glimpses in the last two games that he likes to run at the opposition and as his confidence comes and he gets used to the speed of the game we will see the player that Levein is excited about. Still far far too early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 31/10/2018 at 22:48, Marcus Cicero said: I think he is just not got it - with 9 on his back why was he playing in midfield anyway, why not leading the line? Sorry nothing personal but he’s not going to do anything for us As time goes by, I seem to be gradually finding it harder to tell whether people are being satirical or stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Not counting injury time (which at a stretch is probably 6 extra mins in total) he has played 201 minutes of competitive football both first team and reserve this season. So 2 games and 21 minutes. Of which the vast majority of it came in a battling derby which is hard to show your skill and a game against Celtic which the whole team capitulated. He has been slow in getting going but that is to be expected. You could see in glimpses in the last two games that he likes to run at the opposition and as his confidence comes and he gets used to the speed of the game we will see the player that Levein is excited about. I actually thought he looked sharp in the derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 hours ago, David McCaig said: Not having a pre-season won't help, but the much bigger issue is that he's having to gain match fitness in the first team which is a huge ask. It's all very unfair on Clare and has been forced on us by the injury crisis. He didn't let anyone down last Wednesday night and whilst Saturday was a painful exercise for everyone, he will benefit from getting more minutes in his legs. Good post. Some dafties couldn't understand why Naismith never hit top form last season after stuggling with injuries either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Glib and Shameless Crier said: Not having a go and acting superior or know-it-all here, but I feel as though this exact same thread comes up regarding every single injured player of decent pedigree we have ever signed. I honestly think far too many fans do not appreciate or understand how long it takes to get up to speed after an injury. Seen it with so many players, judged harshly when not up to full fitness and match-sharpness yet. Far too many fans do not appreciate or understand anything at all about football, despite many of them having been watching it regularly for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts 4 the cup Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 The guy has hardly kicked a ball since march then gets rushed into the team. Appearances against Aberdeen, Celtic X 2 and Hibs isn't really an easy introduction either. I agree with posters who thought he done alright in the Derby. I thought he had a very decent second half. Optimistic he'll come good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 18 hours ago, David McCaig said: Not having a pre-season won't help, but the much bigger issue is that he's having to gain match fitness in the first team which is a huge ask. It's all very unfair on Clare and has been forced on us by the injury crisis. He didn't let anyone down last Wednesday night and whilst Saturday was a painful exercise for everyone, he will benefit from getting more minutes in his legs. That's all fine David, however we have not seen one glimpse of the exceptional ability that he is reputed to have - a good run, a cracking shot, an incisive pass, etc. As I said he needs game time however you don't forget how to play football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegementality Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Listening to CL on the radio today prior to the game and he said Sean Clare was playing because we needed a high tempo and pace. CL said it was SC’s “time to shine” and he would “hopefully get on the scoresheet”. Clare subsequently has a stinker. Have we been sold the proverbial pup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five to One Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 As with Naismith, I’d want to give him a proper preseason and then decide. We might see a very different player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Nope he is just not 100% fit yet. Once he is and playing along side Naisy and Uche then we can judge him I think. I do not think he should be in the first eleven yet but we have limited options and CL has given him the nod. I guess CL knows better than me why that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 So far he has failed to live up the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Hate jumping in too early as players deserve time but even in the short term you expect to see promise, snippets of determination and quality. Not sure we’ve seen that? Prepared to give time to players who seem to be up for the fight and show they have some sort of quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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