graygo Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Just now, NaturalOrder74 said: Not really bothered about getting money for developing him, having him for a full season will pay for its self I agree, I think it's more aimed at the smaller clubs or boy's clubs that would really appreciate any extra funds. Imagine Hutchison Vale have boy at 15 and he moves on then before his 23rd birthday a club sells him for £1million, Hutchie would be entitled to 5% of 5% of the fee which is £2,500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JME Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 All but confirmed by the club. We're going to be a team to be reckoned with this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, graygo said: Section 5 of this confirms that we would be due a payment as we are officially his "training club" http://www.lafferabogados.com/2017/04/07/the-training-compensation-system/ I took the wife to Gleneagles in September 2014 for our anniversary and I sat and ignored her for maybe 3 hours while I just sat listening to them She’ll be delighted to hear it wasn’t all a wasted trip!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, JME said: All but confirmed by the club. We're going to be a team to be reckoned with this season. Maybe its just me, but the contract extension thing is something that annoys me with big clubs. If they did it because they believe the player will come back and be a first team player I could understand (I think Burnley have hopes for Dunne in regards to this) but its done so that if he plays well for us, they want a Championship club to buy him next summer. Its pure speculation of the market if that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Maybe its just me, but the contract extension thing is something that annoys me with big clubs. If they did it because they believe the player will come back and be a first team player I could understand (I think Burnley have hopes for Dunne in regards to this) but its done so that if he plays well for us, they want a Championship club to buy him next summer. Its pure speculation of the market if that is the case. I'm not sure. I reckon they hoped he was ready now and that's why he went on their pre-season tour. They have decided he is not quite ready yet and that's why the new deal and the loan. I think they still have high hopes for him, he was their young player of the year last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JME Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Maybe its just me, but the contract extension thing is something that annoys me with big clubs. If they did it because they believe the player will come back and be a first team player I could understand (I think Burnley have hopes for Dunne in regards to this) but its done so that if he plays well for us, they want a Championship club to buy him next summer. Its pure speculation of the market if that is the case. I think that's most likely what will happen, you wouldn't give a player you value as a good prospect for the first team only a one year extension when he is free to sign a pre-contract in January. But who knows? Edited August 26, 2018 by JME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Maybe its just me, but the contract extension thing is something that annoys me with big clubs. If they did it because they believe the player will come back and be a first team player I could understand (I think Burnley have hopes for Dunne in regards to this) but its done so that if he plays well for us, they want a Championship club to buy him next summer. Its pure speculation of the market if that is the case. Absolutely right. Building guys hopes up only to dash them and not many EPL clubs are having the guts to give young players a chance, Dunne and Mitchell are examples of good loans you can pick up. Good pros with talent, delighted Mitchell looks like he's coming back, in the big games last season he didn't look out of place so he should fit into a stronger team easily. Edited August 26, 2018 by rudi must stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Just now, graygo said: I'm not sure. I reckon they hoped he was ready now and that's why he went on their pre-season tour. They have decided he is not quite ready yet and that's why the new deal and the loan. I think they still have high hopes for him, he was their young player of the year last season. May well be. I just always have a feeling that some clubs do that to make money from a player they never will play, hence why you have a player who keeps on a clubs books, getting yearly extensions and loans with the club hoping to make money without ever intending to use them in the first team. Chelsea are the worst, Lucas Piazon for example signed for Chelsea at 18, is now 24 having been on loan to 5 clubs, out on loan every season since 2013 and only 3 apperaces for Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) I think it says a huge amount that Man U have extended then let him come to us and prove himself for a season with us. Edited August 26, 2018 by Jammy T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Mitchell is actually very well thought of at Manchester United. I don’t think it’s a case of trying to punt him to a Championship team for money. They still hope he can make it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: May well be. I just always have a feeling that some clubs do that to make money from a player they never will play, hence why you have a player who keeps on a clubs books, getting yearly extensions and loans with the club hoping to make money without ever intending to use them in the first team. Chelsea are the worst, Lucas Piazon for example signed for Chelsea at 18, is now 24 having been on loan to 5 clubs, out on loan every season since 2013 and only 3 apperaces for Chelsea. Oh they do, no doubt about it. I just think this might be a genuine case where they think he has a chance or he would be loaned somewhere a bit more high profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I’m getting very excited about the thought of Mitchell and Garuccio down that left flank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 minute ago, graygo said: Oh they do, no doubt about it. I just think this might be a genuine case where they think he has a chance or he would be loaned somewhere a bit more high profile. I hope so, as it would be a source of pride seeing Mitchell play for Man U knowing we helped craft him into the player he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I don’t think there’s much between us and the Championship clubs, their league is vastly over rated, and I think in Scotland we have learned to box clever because we don’t have a dearth of cash to spunk on players like they do, and some of the transfer fees they pay for utter shite is mind boggling, maybe that’s the reason Scottish managers go down there and do so well, whereas the odd English manager to come up here almost always fails, miserably! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JME Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: I’m getting very excited about the thought of Mitchell and Garuccio down that left flank. Hopefully Man Utd let us play him as a winger but I feel as though they'll want us to develop him as a wing/left back. Edited August 26, 2018 by JME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: I hope so, as it would be a source of pride seeing Mitchell play for Man U knowing we helped craft him into the player he is. Even as a Liverpool fan, that would make me happy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 minute ago, JME said: Hopefully Man Utd let us play him as a winger but I feel as though they'll want us to develop him as a wing/left back. Yeah that’s my fear with the new contract being signed. If he was going to be leaving we could pretty much do what we want with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: Maybe its just me, but the contract extension thing is something that annoys me with big clubs. If they did it because they believe the player will come back and be a first team player I could understand (I think Burnley have hopes for Dunne in regards to this) but its done so that if he plays well for us, they want a Championship club to buy him next summer. Its pure speculation of the market if that is the case. It is annoying I agree but it's how big clubs help pay for their academies. Tbf to Demetri he is clearly a big Man U fan so he will be clinging to the hope of making their first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JME Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Frank1874 said: Yeah that’s my fear with the new contract being signed. If he was going to be leaving we could pretty much do what we want with him. As far as I recall that was the case last season. The problem is do we drop Garuccio? I have no doubt Demi is the better player (although I also like Ben). But is it right to drop a player when he and the team are playing well and what message does that send to the players? Edited August 26, 2018 by JME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Been a long time since I've felt this good as a Hearts fan. Amazing to think where we were 5 or so years back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 It’s done: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6100593/Manchester-United-U23-player-Year-Demetri-Mitchell-signs-new-deal-rejoins-Hearts-loan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Right Hearts it’s Monday #announceMitchell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennant's 6's Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Although I thought for a split second that he'd signed for Hearts until 2020! One season loam deal will do just nicely all the same ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julienbrellier Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 This guy is Under-23 player of the year at Man Utd and he’s coming to Gorgie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 hour ago, JME said: All but confirmed by the club. We're going to be a team to be reckoned with this season. Was just watching the fulham highlights and the way schurrle cut inside and curled it off the bar just made me think of what Demi can do and is capable of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Oh my ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 This team now btw, wow. Where do we think he will play? LB or further forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb-oz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: This team now btw, wow. Where do we think he will play? LB or further forward? Utd probably want us to use him as a LWB but would love to see him in front of Garrucio...LW & cover at LWB for Garrucio would be the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, jamb-oz said: Utd probably want us to use him as a LWB but would love to see him in front of Garrucio...LW & cover at LWB for Garrucio would be the way! Played more as a winger for Utd in pre season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I hope he doesn't go rampaging down the wing against Hibs, creating chance after chance, banging in a couple himself and generally tearing them to shreds. That would be terrible. They would be cursing Mr Gustas for his lack of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Fantastic bit of business to get him back again. Certainly shaping up to be an interesting season. We've certainly got the personnel on board to cause every single team in the league problems now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Berwick Jambo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Fantastic business by Levein, absolutely delighted he is coming back for the season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb1874 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 This could be an exciting morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbulb Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Brilliant bit of business again by Levein. Hopefully Mulreany will develop his skills in the reserves from now on........not ready and may never be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Is he here yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3OBE Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 49 minutes ago, Lightbulb said: Brilliant bit of business again by Levein. Hopefully Mulreany will develop his skills in the reserves from now on........not ready and may never be. Impact player at the end of matches, not a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 hours ago, vegas-voss said: Played more as a winger for Utd in pre season Didn’t he start at left back in the two preseason games he played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Two mins past 9 and no announcements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Have we got people posted Airport Railway stations Tynie Riccarton Posh hotels Not at the bus station obviously, just a bit Hibs. Names, we want names! Deadline week, my favourite week for insanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroonblood22 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, BigAlim said: Two mins past 9 and no announcements Demhi Ooht!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazman Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Frank1874 said: Didn’t he start at left back in the two preseason games he played? The first game he played as lb but every other appearance was as a winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 41 minutes ago, Frank1874 said: Didn’t he start at left back in the two preseason games he played? Even played RW in one of the games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 0922 and still nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Even played RW in one of the games Just checked and you’re totally right mate ?? He also started one match on the left wing ahead of Luke Shaw. Now I’m even more excited for his arrival as clearly Man Utd have realised he’s better as an attacker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Lightbulb said: Brilliant bit of business again by Levein. Hopefully Mulreany will develop his skills in the reserves from now on........not ready and may never be. Harsh, he's played his part in every win so far - including vs Celtic where basically took Tierney out the game attacking wise. Hes 'raw' and probably not good enough to start at the moment but his pace alone worries opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larbert_jambo Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Armageddon said: 0922 and still nothing. Its 1026 here in Majorca and still nothing! Levein ooooot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Harsh, he's played his part in every win so far - including vs Celtic where basically took Tierney out the game attacking wise. Hes 'raw' and probably not good enough to start at the moment but his pace alone worries opposition. Correct. Twice he has stopped an opponent player from doing anything in a match. Means he can follow instructions well. I think he will continue to develop with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, larbert_jambo said: Its 1026 here in Majorca and still nothing! Levein ooooot It's Tuesday somewhere in the world and he's still not signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The chat of where HAVE to play him is misguided imo. Football isn't like a computer game where it's dcm, lb, lwb etc. Even throughout games positions vary and our shape in particular is very fluid. Even assigning a 442 or 352 or whatever is often redundant these days. Parent clubs may say they want a player used in a certain way but especially with wide players, there can be no dictate. It wouldn't make sense. We'll use him as we see fit game by game but he could probably play just about anywhere other than CH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Frank1874 said: Just checked and you’re totally right mate ?? He also started one match on the left wing ahead of Luke Shaw. Now I’m even more excited for his arrival as clearly Man Utd have realised he’s better as an attacker Pretty exciting though sometimes a very attacking fullback plus a winger is even more exciting (so Ben behind Demi but just as exciting if not Moreno, Demi behind McDonald or Morrison) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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