Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Only time this club should have anything to do with the Armed Forces in on remembrance day. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Strachsuit said: Ayr United, for one. Ayr United and Sevco. just need Airdrie to complete the axis of evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Partick Thistle also gave free entry to service personnel at their game last year around Remembrance Day. Wonder if Thistle fans reacted the same way? POALITICLY MOATIVATEED THEY SHOOOD HUV CUNSULTED US FIRSHT. BLIAR HAS BLUD OAN HIS HAUNDZ. Etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidjamesbottle Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: I don't think the word traitor was even mentioned anywhere on the thread until then. Blair/Brown, war criminals, torturers and baby killers is a big leap to what Hearts are planning on doing Sunday. i know what a total clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Conflicted on this tbh. Supporting the "troops" has become politicised, just like so many things in a pretty polarised modern world. It does feel like initiatives like this might embolden sections of our support and wider society who exploit the armed forces to legitimise some views that I personally don't like. However, it is important and brave work many of those men and women do. It should be acknowledged. It's just a shame it seems so difficult to that these days without it seeming like your colours are being mailed to a one mast or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, sandyk said: I do agree with you. The signing of the charter is one thing, but I do find it quite 'cringey' to have the AF day. Although, I imagine that the intent is innocent and based around promoting the charter, as ex RAF, I would rather just get on with supporting the team rather than be paraded in front of the crowd! I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: What's it got to do with a game of football? Its got nothing to do with a game of football. It’s not impacting the game in any way, shape or form. It is Hearts saying thank you to those who work in our armed services. Nothing more nothing less. If you don’t like it you can arrive after it’s over or simply stay silent. Not difficult for a normal human being! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, BelgeJambo said: They are but they have officially signed up to the covenant. Edinburgh City Council also signed up to it along with approximately 1500 plus organisations so I wouldn't say there is any political gain Again, the council has a closer responsibility to looking after ex-armed forces than we do. To be honest, i've read the Covenant and it just looks like words with very little actual commitment beyond treating people fairly, which they should be doing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Strachsuit said: Partick Thistle also gave free entry to service personnel at their game last year around Remembrance Day. Wonder if Thistle fans reacted the same way? POALITICLY MOATIVATEED THEY SHOOOD HUV CUNSULTED US FIRSHT. BLIAR HAS BLUD OAN HIS HAUNDZ. Etc, etc. That isn't even remotely comparable FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I'm offended by the amount of folk who get offended, by the folk who will say this hasn't been handled correctly. Ffs I'm sure some folk think Ann Budge should be giving them a personal phone call to ask permission to anything otherwise it's not been done right. snowflakes everywhere. I have two teenage daughters who are pretty big snowflakes but this place really does take the biscuit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, magicTs said: Its got nothing to do with a game of football. It’s not impacting the game in any way, shape or form. It is Hearts saying thank you to those who work in our armed services. Nothing more nothing less. If you don’t like it you can arrive after it’s over or simply stay silent. Not difficult for a normal human being! If it's nothing to do with football it shouldn't be randomly implemented to have a march or whatever around a football game. By the way I've nothing against the armed forces, they do a fantastic job serving the UK but it's going too far this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: But why does a football club feel the need to support our troops? As a community club Hearts support lots of sectors of that community. There is absolutely no reason for Hearts not to pay respects to those who serve our country both home and abroad. In fact they deserve our respect and thanks more than most. Anyone angry or offended by this needs to gain some serious perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Conflicted on this tbh. Supporting the "troops" has become politicised, just like so many things in a pretty polarised modern world. It does feel like initiatives like this might embolden sections of our support and wider society who exploit the armed forces to legitimise some views that I personally don't like. However, it is important and brave work many of those men and women do. It should be acknowledged. It's just a shame it seems so difficult to that these days without it seeming like your colours are being mailed to a one mast or another. Fair comment. Perhaps the question should be why let Sevco monopolise support for servicemen and women? It doesn't need to be a great show of Union Flag waving nonsense like they have. But the thought is what counts and it's a good initiative by the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, magicTs said: As a community club Hearts support lots of sectors of that community. There is absolutely no reason for Hearts not to pay respects to those who serve our country both home and abroad. In fact they deserve our respect and thanks more than most. Anyone angry or offended by this needs to gain some serious perspective. In your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The fact there is a few regiments based around Edinburgh means it's good business too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, jambopilms said: I'm offended by the amount of folk who get offended, by the folk who will say this hasn't been handled correctly. Ffs I'm sure some folk think Ann Budge should be giving them a personal phone call to ask permission to anything otherwise it's not been done right. snowflakes everywhere. I have two teenage daughters who are pretty big snowflakes but this place really does take the biscuit . You're the one acting like a precious snowflake because someone has a difference of opinion as you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Strachsuit said: Partick Thistle also gave free entry to service personnel at their game last year around Remembrance Day. Wonder if Thistle fans reacted the same way? POALITICLY MOATIVATEED THEY SHOOOD HUV CUNSULTED US FIRSHT. BLIAR HAS BLUD OAN HIS HAUNDZ. Etc, etc. On remembrance day. we should remember the fans and players that have their lives in the trenches. we shouldn't be celebrating armed forces day. These things are completely separate from one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Parmesan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Strachsuit said: Partick Thistle also gave free entry to service personnel at their game last year around Remembrance Day. Wonder if Thistle fans reacted the same way? POALITICLY MOATIVATEED THEY SHOOOD HUV CUNSULTED US FIRSHT. BLIAR HAS BLUD OAN HIS HAUNDZ. Etc, etc. Strong false equivalency game, bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, magicTs said: As a community club Hearts support lots of sectors of that community. There is absolutely no reason for Hearts not to pay respects to those who serve our country both home and abroad. In fact they deserve our respect and thanks more than most. Anyone angry or offended by this needs to gain some serious perspective. So where's the open days for all the other sectors then? We do pay our respects rather massively on remembrance day and around that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: That isn't even remotely comparable FFS. Isn't it? It's basically what people have been saying on here. That supporting the troops by signing the covenant is supporting wars in Iraq! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just want to add that I too read Piers Morgan or some other right wing mutant in the Sun say "snowflake" once and now repeat it 4 ****ing trillion times a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, jambopilms said: I'm offended by the amount of folk who get offended, by the folk who will say this hasn't been handled correctly. Ffs I'm sure some folk think Ann Budge should be giving them a personal phone call to ask permission to anything otherwise it's not been done right. snowflakes everywhere. I have two teenage daughters who are pretty big snowflakes but this place really does take the biscuit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Strachsuit said: Fair comment. Perhaps the question should be why let Sevco monopolise support for servicemen and women? It doesn't need to be a great show of Union Flag waving nonsense like they have. But the thought is what counts and it's a good initiative by the club. True. If we can handle it sensibly and sensitively, it doesn't need to turn into a big nationalist flag-waving thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Juanjo15 said: If it's nothing to do with football it shouldn't be randomly implemented to have a march or whatever around a football game. By the way I've nothing against the armed forces, they do a fantastic job serving the UK but it's going too far this stuff. In my view it actually tells a big story as to where Britain is as a country that such offence could be taken to such an initiative. It’s little wonder communities are the mess they are and that huge division exists. Regardless of the political climate the armed forces protect and serve each and every one one of us. Amazing that people are so highly strung as to find this offensive and not something Hearts should be involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said: Unlike celtic ,Hearts supporters could in conversation say "my teams first team squuad volunteered en masse at the start of WW1,without being asked ...For which side The only footballer to get a VC in the First War played for Celtic iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said: On remembrance day. we should remember the fans and players that have their lives in the trenches. we shouldn't be celebrating armed forces day. These things are completely separate from one another. You do realise we aren't. We are having our own armed forces appreciation day on Sunday. It's to signal the signing of the covenant. It's got nothing to do with the national Armed Forces Day, which was in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Parmesan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Strachsuit said: Isn't it? It's basically what people have been saying on here. That supporting the troops by signing the covenant is supporting wars in Iraq! I think one post tried to clumsily make that point. It's wrong. But maybe you should actually read all the others that are quite rationally pointing out why an Armed Forces Day hosted by a football club is, at the very least, quite strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Allen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, August Landmesser said: http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/6828 Some consultation with fans might have been nice before using the club as a recruitment tool for the army. IMHO, this is utter bollocks. IMHO, this is a good ideal. I'm 100% behind this and our Armed Forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Strachsuit said: Isn't it? It's basically what people have been saying on here. That supporting the troops by signing the covenant is supporting wars in Iraq! I would have no problem around remembrance day giving 500 tickets away to the armed forces. It's a bit different than having a support the troops day in the stadium before a football game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: True. If we can handle it sensibly and sensitively, it doesn't need to turn into a big nationalist flag-waving thing. Precisely. And if AB is involved, you can be assured it won't be. I really have no idea why anyone would be against this. Unless they are Celtic-minded, as I pointed out to the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: In your opinion. Well I can’t speak of anyone else’s opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, magicTs said: In my view it actually tells a big story as to where Britain is as a country that such offence could be taken to such an initiative. It’s little wonder communities are the mess they are and that huge division exists. Regardless of the political climate the armed forces protect and serve each and every one one of us. Amazing that people are so highly strung as to find this offensive and not something Hearts should be involved in. I'm not taking any offence. I don't think it's got the slightest bit to with a game of football though and think it's pretty sad to do so for a little publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1874f Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 thread is embarrassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Strachsuit said: Precisely. And if AB is involved, you can be assured it won't be. I really have no idea why anyone would be against this. Unless they are Celtic-minded, as I pointed out to the OP. 'Celtic-minded' Nice euphemism there. Subtle. Classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Gene Parmesan said: I think one post tried to clumsily make that point. It's wrong. But maybe you should actually read all the others that are quite rationally pointing out why an Armed Forces Day hosted by a football club is, at the very least, quite strange. So a huge number of league clubs in England are strange? I don't see the issue, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, magicTs said: In my view it actually tells a big story as to where Britain is as a country that such offence could be taken to such an initiative. It’s little wonder communities are the mess they are and that huge division exists. Regardless of the political climate the armed forces protect and serve each and every one one of us. Amazing that people are so highly strung as to find this offensive and not something Hearts should be involved in. You and me both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: The only footballer to get a VC in the First War played for Celtic iirc. Your memory is correct, a fair few Celtic players signed up. New school in west Lothian somewhere named their new building after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, davemclaren said: The only footballer to get a VC in the First War played for Celtic iirc. True but not a current player at the time, I think. Boy from Armadale if memory serves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Boab said: I've read the statement and can't see any mention of a parade. Just signing the thing and a couple of stalls in the plaza. Apologies, worded badly. I didn't mean parade as in massed ranks, etc. I imagine there will be a few in uniform on the pitch during the signing. Personally, I love the idea of our club supporting this, perhaps a private function would have sufficed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said: Unlike celtic ,Hearts supporters could in conversation say "my teams first team squuad volunteered en masse at the start of WW1,without being asked ...For which side Sorry mate, no offence, but this does my ****ing nut in. Hearts didn't win the war. Hearts fans or players are not inherently braver or more noble than Celtic fans, then or now, for what happened. The decisions those individuals took should be respected and appreciated, but thousands and thousands fought and died in that war, many of them 'Celtic'. Can't stand football rivalry point scoring over what happened in 1914. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Strachsuit said: Precisely. And if AB is involved, you can be assured it won't be. I really have no idea why anyone would be against this. Unless they are Celtic-minded, as I pointed out to the OP. That kind of comment makes me want this whole event to fail miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 A topic that clearly divides the support. The club's Board must have discussed it and chosen to support this. Wonder if there were any board members who said not a good idea? Anyway it therefore seems to me that either they do not understand the supporters broader on views on this or are happy to proceed regardless. Either way the club have decided which is fine, they have taken a decision they think right. It is good to have strong leadership. I can make decisions as well. Not going to attend this match. It is both our rights to decide because we all live in a democracy. Roll on the debate that I can do that because of the armed forces ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The company I work for signed up to the Armed Forces covenant which is more about helping past and current serving members and their families integrate in to the community. It’s about creating opportunities for them, their spouses and their kids. It’s about helping the spouses of service people find work and create social circles which can be difficult if you have to relocate every 2 years with new postings. It’s very much something Hearts as a community club should be supporting in my opinion. Unfortunately, people automatically jump to the conclusion that it’s a big pro union, flag waving sash bash and is yet another worthy cause tainted due to the brain dead arseholes associated to the scum bag clubs from through the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Clever tactic by the club....take all eyes off this summers dubious player recruitment by engaging in controversial activities. Am I doing this conspiracy theory stuff correctly?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Juanjo15 said: I would have no problem around remembrance day giving 500 tickets away to the armed forces. It's a bit different than having a support the troops day in the stadium before a football game. This isn't what's happening. Have you even read the article? Or are you too busy being offended by nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, By the light said: The company I work for signed up to the Armed Forces covenant which is more about helping past and current serving members and their families integrate in to the community. It’s about creating opportunities for them, their spouses and their kids. It’s about helping the spouses of service people find work and create social circles which can be difficult if you have to relocate every 2 years with new postings. It’s very much something Hearts as a community club should be supporting in my opinion. Unfortunately, people automatically jump to the conclusion that it’s a big pro union, flag waving sash bash and is yet another worthy cause tainted due to the brain dead arseholes associated to the scum bag clubs from through the west. My issue is that it will be jumped on by some people to behave like that , and that is what it will be remembered for. And, as a club we are clearly bothered by our public perception, this seems a strange risk to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said: Sorry mate, no offence, but this does my ****ing nut in. Hearts didn't win the war. Hearts fans or players are not inherently braver or more noble than Celtic fans, then or now, for what happened. The decisions those individuals took should be respected and appreciated, but thousands and thousands fought and died in that war, many of them 'Celtic'. Can't stand football rivalry point scoring over what happened in 1914. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Absolutely delighted at the news. Can't see an issue with saluting our brave servicemen. Servicemen don't start wars, politicians do. Well done Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the light Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said: My issue is that it will be jumped on by some people to behave like that , and that is what it will be remembered for. And, as a club we are clearly bothered by our public perception, this seems a strange risk to take. That’s the sad reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Jarman Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Don't see the point in this to be honest and anyway, most squadies I've met have been arseholes I'd rather not help celebrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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