Zico Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I’m no militarist but I don’t have an issue with it. Sounds like it’s more about supporting current and ex members of the armed forces and, like it or not, they make up a part of our fanbase and community. As our stated aim is to be a community club, that involves supporting all members of the community, whoever they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, PeterintheRain said: Total bollocks. Armed Forces Day was invented by the Blair/Brown regime after the War Crime of invading Iraq. It, along with the fake, "Help for Heroes," was intended to create sympathy for our brave boys, take the pressure of their evil act and brainwash the gullible. Now anybody who doesn't support their propaganda day is a traitor. See how well it worked? HMFC should have nothing to do with it. We have our day to remember. This Glorification of War Criminals. The scum who torture prisoners. The people who happily slaughter children to order. It has no place in any democracy let alone at a sporting event. That'll calm the discussion down a notch But, if i'm being honest, i agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assessor Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, magicTs said: Absolutely amazing that people have an issue with this. Literally offended by anything, snowflakes going to snowflake I guess but still incredible! Tremendous initiative by Hearts, rightly welcoming and honoring the men and woman who protect and serve our country. Each and everyone of them deserves our respect and gratitude. SPOT ON, bloody snowflakes, all thats wrong with this country. Let's find something to be offended by, again...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: It's got shag all to do with a nice day out at the football is the big deal. Same as minute's silences for popes and PMS... But everything to do with a community football club giving back to the community served by members of the armed forces, no? 7 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: It's still glorifying death and slaughter though. Whether that's at sea, in the air or on land... No. No, it's not. You're absolutely missing the point of signing this covenant - quite spectacularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: It's still glorifying death and slaughter though. Whether that's at sea, in the air or on land... Lol what are you in about. You’ve lost it! Its supporting our troops, the men and woman who serve and defend our country. It’s not a political statement in the least, it’s not Hearts saying we collectively agree with such and such a policy or we unite in our backing of this decision or that. It’s about the troops and the sacrifices they make in day to day life. Honestly it’s no wonder Britain is the completely divided place it is when the armed forces receive this reaction. Incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: It's still glorifying death and slaughter though. Whether that's at sea, in the air or on land... Is it? I thought it was an agreement between the Armed Forces and the Nation to support the armed forces and families, and not glorifying death and slaughter at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I’m not offended by this. I do not support it in the slightest however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 If Ann is happy with this then so am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Unlike celtic ,Hearts supporters could in conversation say "my teams first team squuad volunteered en masse at the start of WW1,without being asked ...For which side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicTs Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BelgeJambo said: Is it? I thought it was an agreement between the Armed Forces and the Nation to support the armed forces and families, and not glorifying death and slaughter at all The chaps lost the plot. Literally has no idea what he’s taking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Strachsuit said: But everything to do with a community football club giving back to the community served by members of the armed forces, no? No. No, it's not. You're absolutely missing the point of signing this covenant - quite spectacularly. I don't agree it's glorifying death and slaughter, but what exactly is the point of signing the covenant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, magicTs said: Lol what are you in about. You’ve lost it! Its supporting our troops, the men and woman who serve and defend our country. It’s not a political statement in the least, it’s not Hearts saying we collectively agree with such and such a policy or we unite in our backing of this decision or that. It’s about the troops and the sacrifices they make in day to day life. Honestly it’s no wonder Britain is the completely divided place it is when the armed forces receive this reaction. Incredible. Completely lost the plot! Some people are so utterly consumed by their political motives that when something like this happens (that isn't actually political), they can't contain their rage with a political slant! It's quite something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, PeterintheRain said: Total bollocks. Armed Forces Day was invented by the Blair/Brown regime after the War Crime of invading Iraq. It, along with the fake, "Help for Heroes," was intended to create sympathy for our brave boys, take the pressure of their evil act and brainwash the gullible. Now anybody who doesn't support their propaganda day is a traitor. See how well it worked? HMFC should have nothing to do with it. We have our day to remember. This Glorification of War Criminals. The scum who torture prisoners. The people who happily slaughter children to order. It has no place in any democracy let alone at a sporting event. I don't think the word traitor was even mentioned anywhere on the thread until then. Blair/Brown, war criminals, torturers and baby killers is a big leap to what Hearts are planning on doing Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just to help clarify what the Covenant is, or indeed to provoke further discussion, some info here: https://www.armedforcescovenant.gov.uk/about/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, magicTs said: Lol what are you in about. You’ve lost it! Its supporting our troops, the men and woman who serve and defend our country. It’s not a political statement in the least, it’s not Hearts saying we collectively agree with such and such a policy or we unite in our backing of this decision or that. It’s about the troops and the sacrifices they make in day to day life. Honestly it’s no wonder Britain is the completely divided place it is when the armed forces receive this reaction. Incredible. But why does a football club feel the need to support our troops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: So, being anti-Armed Forces Day at Tynecastle is politically motivated and has no place in football, but being pro-Armed Forces Day at Tynecastle is not and does? Your motives are politically driven pure and simple. This club has a long and proud history of supporting the armed services by way of being a community club. So no! recognising it as a community initiative like many other things the club do, does not make it politically motivated despite people like you trying to twist it into something it's clearly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Parmesan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: Just to help clarify what the Covenant is, or indeed to provoke further discussion, some info here: https://www.armedforcescovenant.gov.uk/about/ Absolutely no issues there, and signing/backing it is great. But hosting an 'Armed Forces Day' is just weird behaviour for a football club. Edited July 25, 2018 by Gene Parmesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, Homme said: Would be nicer if we showed some support to our NHS staff, or emergency services. People that actually make a difference in our day to day lives. Why does it always have to be the armed forces? Our link up with Erskine i liked, but this along with all the other stuff is just way OTT. Wish we would give it up apart from Celebrating our WW1 team and the associated Batallon - and when i say celebrating i mean respectfully remembering them. That's where I am. Why support the armed services and not nurses, firemen, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said: But why does a football club feel the need to support our troops? It’s provocative, it gets the people going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, jacklivi1874 said: Dont go you wont be missed as for embarrassment look at your post its beamer These Armed Forces Days are political, a brazen flag waving exercise, where were they pre-2006? Rangers jumped on this as an excuse to wave the flags and go full hun, we all laughed at the brazenness of it all, Ibrox turned into a military parade ground, all they were missing was tanks. I don't have a problem with the club geting involved in supporting ex or retired Armed Forces who may be having a hard time, but then where's the help for fireman who lay their lives on the line every single day to keep us safe, same with Police Scotland, same with our nurses and doctors and surgeons. Where is their day at Tynecastle? It's something as a club we should have stayed well clear of, continue to respect our links with WWI in a dignified way, although no doubt it will be popular with a certain section of the support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Might come as a bit of a shocker to some, but the NHS also supports the armed forces covenant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, PeterintheRain said: Total bollocks. Armed Forces Day was invented by the Blair/Brown regime after the War Crime of invading Iraq. It, along with the fake, "Help for Heroes," was intended to create sympathy for our brave boys, take the pressure of their evil act and brainwash the gullible. Now anybody who doesn't support their propaganda day is a traitor. See how well it worked? HMFC should have nothing to do with it. We have our day to remember. This Glorification of War Criminals. The scum who torture prisoners. The people who happily slaughter children to order. It has no place in any democracy let alone at a sporting event. Where to start? We are having our own armed forces day on Sunday. The national one you don't like was earlier this year. To the best of my knowledge my father has never happily or unhappily slaughtered children, or tortured anyone. He has helped build a few schools and clinics. Rebuilt bridges after hurricanes and help restore water and power. He has been shot at numerous times, and blown up once. As a serviceman and a jambo he would have appreciated hearts signing up to the covenant. By all means have your political stance, but don't take it out on the people sent to do our leaders bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Rudy T said: Your motives are politically driven pure and simple. This club has a long and proud history of supporting the armed services by way of being a community club. So no! recognising it as a community initiative like many other things the club do, does not make it politically motivated despite people like you trying to twist it into something it's clearly not. 'by way of being a community club' = 'supporting the armed services'? That's quite a leap you've made there. There's a community bakery round the corner from my office, they don't appear to be baking ship's biscuits in there though. Also, if opposing the armed services is political, then so is supporting them. That's logic, baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, BelgeJambo said: Might come as a bit of a shocker to some, but the NHS also supports the armed forces covenant Quite ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: I don't agree it's glorifying death and slaughter, but what exactly is the point of signing the covenant? See here: 5 minutes ago, sandyk said: Just to help clarify what the Covenant is, or indeed to provoke further discussion, some info here: https://www.armedforcescovenant.gov.uk/about/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Chuck Berry said: These Armed Forces Days are political, a brazen flag waving exercise, where were they pre-2006? Rangers jumped on this as an excuse to wave the flags and go full hun, we all laughed at the brazenness of it all, Ibrox turned into a military parade ground, all they were missing was tanks. I don't have a problem with the club geting involved in supporting ex or retired Armed Forces who may be having a hard time, but then where's the help for fireman who lay their lives on the line every single day to keep us safe, same with Police Scotland, same with our nurses and doctors and surgeons. Where is their day at Tynecastle? It's something as a club we should have stayed well clear of, continue to respect our links with WWI in a dignified way, although no doubt it will be popular with a certain section of the support. See the NFL, it’s armed forces contract/payments and the recent fall out over taking a knee and Trump etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said: Unlike celtic ,Hearts supporters could in conversation say "my teams first team squuad volunteered en masse at the start of WW1,without being asked ...For which side Posts like this show why we shouldn't be involved. One upmanship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Parmesan Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, BelgeJambo said: Might come as a bit of a shocker to some, but the NHS also supports the armed forces covenant Do they get soldiers, sailors and airmen to march through the ICU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, BelgeJambo said: Might come as a bit of a shocker to some, but the NHS also supports the armed forces covenant The NHS is surely closely involved in helping the armed forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said: Absolutely no issues there, and signing/backing it is great. But hosting an 'Armed Forces Day' is just weird behaviour for a football club. I do agree with you. The signing of the charter is one thing, but I do find it quite 'cringey' to have the AF day. Although, I imagine that the intent is innocent and based around promoting the charter, as ex RAF, I would rather just get on with supporting the team rather than be paraded in front of the crowd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, magicTs said: Absolutely amazing that people have an issue with this. Literally offended by anything, snowflakes going to snowflake I guess but still incredible! Tremendous initiative by Hearts, rightly welcoming and honoring the men and woman who protect and serve our country. Each and everyone of them deserves our respect and gratitude. What's it got to do with a game of football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: But why does a football club feel the need to support our troops? As has already been said, it's a community-based project from a community-based football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidjamesbottle Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/6828 Some consultation with fans might have been nice before using the club as a recruitment tool for the army. IMHO, this is utter bollocks. why anyone anywhere would think this is utter bollocks is beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Don't think this has been particularly well handled to be honest. Signing the Armed Force Covenant is a good thing, often very difficult for ex-service people to integrate back into society and they deserve support. It's something I am happy for the club to sign up to. Having an Armed Forces Day, no matter what basis the small print defines it as, is symbolically attaching the club to an image that I and obviously many others do not agree with. Like other posters have pointed out why is there no NHS day or indeed Social Services day. It's also blatantly political and the club should avoid politics at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: But why does a football club feel the need to support our troops? Bingo, and why is it only Rangers who previously done this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: I do agree with you. The signing of the charter is one thing, but I do find it quite 'cringey' to have the AF day. Although, I imagine that the intent is innocent and based around promoting the charter, as ex RAF, I would rather just get on with supporting the team rather than be paraded in front of the crowd! I've read the statement and can't see any mention of a parade. Just signing the thing and a couple of stalls in the plaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crete Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 moan,moan,moan that’s all some supporters do all the time,what’s wrong with the club supporting armed forces day it is just to show a little appreciation to all the men and woman who serve the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: The NHS is surely closely involved in helping the armed forces. They are but they have officially signed up to the covenant. Edinburgh City Council also signed up to it along with approximately 1500 plus organisations so I wouldn't say there is any political gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthomas Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: I have no problem with the OP’s point ,in fact I think the club should and could possibly have consulted with the fans on it somehow . As to your poppy comment I find it uncomfortable how far some people go to show their respects around Memorial Day . What i I do have an issue with is people like yourself putting words in my mouth , especially when they’re so ****ing wrong !! Pleased to hear it . If you read your last sentence in the previous post objectively you will see that there is a strong inference . Which is why the question was asked . So , no I didn't put words in your mouth and what do you mean by 'people like yourself' ? Don't think we've been properly introduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Berry said: Bingo, and why is it only Rangers who previously done this? Erm, no it's not. There are dozens of clubs down south who host Armed Forces Days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Only time this club should have anything to do with the Armed Forces in on remembrance day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jodami said: Don't think this has been particularly well handled to be honest. Signing the Armed Force Covenant is a good thing, often very difficult for ex-service people to integrate back into society and they deserve support. It's something I am happy for the club to sign up to. Having an Armed Forces Day, no matter what basis the small print defines it as, is symbolically attaching the club to an image that I and obviously many others do not agree with. Like other posters have pointed out why is there no NHS day or indeed Social Services day. It's also blatantly political and the club should avoid politics at all costs. Yep. All it leads to is debates like it already has done. It's not football related and should be kept away from football grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Seems a strange thing to get involved with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Strachsuit said: Erm, no it's not. There are dozens of clubs down south who host Armed Forces Days. I'm talking Scotland, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Chuck Berry said: I'm talking Scotland, obviously. Ayr United, for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I'm sure they get enough support as it is without a wee cheer from some of the supporters. This is self publicity from the club which will backfire in some quarters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I think it’s fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: It's still glorifying death and slaughter though. Whether that's at sea, in the air or on land... That's statement says it all and sumsyou up. the club are standing by the forces covenant that many businesses do throughout the country. It's to support injured and bereaved men and women who will be there when the country needs them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo15 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Just now, Strachsuit said: Ayr United, for one. That shocks me deeply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Strachsuit said: Erm, no it's not. There are dozens of clubs down south who host Armed Forces Days. https://forces2canaries.org.uk/news/ Got a few mates in this group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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